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Currently walking camino Frances ... Today stage 9 najera to santo domingo
Firstly felt that we were ignored and overlooked whilst trying to order at the bar but my real complaint was about a sign displayed in the toilets stating ... You are welcome to use our club but please note that toilet roll is for immediate use only.
Spanish bartenders specialise in ignoring customers; what happened was normal.
Then onto santo domingo where pilgrims have to pay to visit the cathederal ...
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Thank U for reminding me about "unabashedly bawling your eyes out."I hope that tomorrow the spirit is restored. Don't allow yourself to become over-tired, make sure you drink enough water, sort through your pack to see if you can't lose 1kg of something, somehow. If you drink, treat yourself to a glass or two of Reserva - or at least a Crianza. As you walk, imagine how 'ironic' Alanis Morisette would find your experiences, make up new lyrics and sing them out loud (please, I can't be the only one who does this?). The Camino will continue to welcome you
Have we just compounded Breige's suffering by planting an Alanis Morisette 'ear worm' in the poor pilgrim's head? If so, apologies and buen CaminoThank U for reminding me about "unabashedly bawling your eyes out."
Well, while I totally get your annoyance, there are always 3 sides to a story and we got yours. So, going by your side of the story, I have to say that I see nothing wrong with the Golf Club sign. Yes, often times pilgrims would take anything that is not nailed down from public facilities and toilet paper becomes a prized commodity. Replacing supplies several times a day becomes a costly burden easily and by the look of Ciruena, the place is in serious need of cash flow. I suspect that not many pilgrims stop at a Golf course for lunch to begin with but to use the facilities....So, sorry I am with the Golf Course on that one.Currently walking camino Frances ... Today stage 9 najera to santo domingo
This is the first day that the "spirit of camino " is lost. Stopped at golf course Rioja Alta in ciruena for lunch. Firstly felt that we were ignored and overlooked whilst trying to order at the bar but my real complaint was about a sign displayed in the toilets stating ... You are welcome to use our club but please note that toilet roll is for immediate use only. Then onto santo domingo where pilgrims have to pay to visit the cathederal and in fact my friend was denied admission to pilgrims mass because she was a few minutes late...Hope tomorrow brings back some "spirit"
Currently walking camino Frances ... Today stage 9 najera to santo domingo
This is the first day that the "spirit of camino " is lost
Stopped at golf course Rioja Alta in ciruena for lunch. Firstly felt that we were ignored and overlooked whilst trying to order at the bar but my real complaint was about a sign displayed in the toilets stating ... You are welcome to use our club but please note that toilet roll is for immediate use only.
Then onto santo domingo where pilgrims have to pay to visit the cathederal and in fact my friend was denied admission to pilgrims mass because she was a few minutes late...
Hope tomorrow brings back some "spirit"
A town full of weird-williesThere is something weird about that part of the Camino. That strange empty town near the golf course gave me the willies.
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There is famous song with lyrics similar to your sentiments, I can't remember who recorded it. Maybe Dylan?Sometimes it is only when we lose something, all be it for a short while, that we appreciate how precious it is and be assured this loss is only temporary there are lots of joy filled experiences still to come.
It was my experience that, when I was challenged by adversity, lack of charity, etc. that I grew the most, perhaps precisely because it ceased to be the camino I wanted and became the camino I needed . . . Perhaps the "loss of spirit" is actually fertilizer for the soul, even if it stinks a little . . .Hope tomorrow brings back some "spirit"
Not sure of the circumstances for the person involved, but I think there may be another explanation that is not about "rules" but about respect.I respectively disagree on the above points. As a visitor to the area, I would accept the local customs but as a Catholic I think it is absolutely non-Christian to bar a person from attending mass because they missed the beginning of the service. And Eucharist Ministers offer communion to parishioners without Mass and one can attend Mass without receiving communion. The only church rule I am aware of is that non-Catholics should not receive communion.
I think I would have accepted the "rule" for what it was. But truthfully I also would have felt excluded if I was turned away. Those actions seem just the opposite of the Camino spirit of being open and welcoming and supportive and Catholic and apostolic. It also makes me more conscious of trying to be more aware and accepting of others. I'll try harder to change myself. I can't change the church.
I'm also in Santo Domingo today and happily paid the 3 euro for entrance. Twas truly amazing. As for the toilet roll sign I'm walking with someone for the last couple of days who openly admitted to taking the whole toilet roll from the golf course today. It made me feel very uncomfortable and I wished I had said something but as usual just shut up. Its stealing. I wish you a buen camino.
Agreed. Some of the best advice I found on this forum was to always carry a "just in case" stash of pocket Kleenex with me whenever I go to the restrooms. There were two in my pack when I left, and only 1/2 of one when I came home.I am not sure there is a much more inconsiderate act. It is not only a burden on the owners but can be drastic to the next person in serious need ..
I also stopped at the club / bar of the golf course. Took my time.Had some coffees and was made very welcome by the lady managing the bar that morning.
Hello.I think the notice about the toilet paper is brilliant. Far too many Pilgrim's take what is supposed to be a service for all. And that applies especially in the Albergues. I think it should be posted in all Albergues!Anne
OMG! When my granddaughter and I walked last year, we came across some bikers who, evidently, were having problems with their tights and I said to my GD, the least they could do is cover up the "family jewels" and she, being a nurse, had never heard that expression so after explaining, she burst into a fit of laughter! This made my day, thanks, Rebekah!It could be worse. No one robbed you. Or gave you a view of his "family jewels."
No but how about "just a shot away" from Sir Mick's Gimme Shelter lyrics.Have we just compounded Breige's suffering by planting an Alanis Morisette 'ear worm' in the poor pilgrim's head? If so, apologies and buen Camino
To think, you will actually chuckle about this one day. Bring a little toilet paper with you along the trail. I dumped a lot, but that was one item I learned to keep in my pack. As for the mass, and I presume you mean the "Mass of the Cock," just think about that one along the trail for the humor that is in it. I don't remember paying to get in for that, but maybe it was because I had "heathen" written all over me. Can't be for sure. Not one for masses to begin with, but it was that part of the Camino. I do remember that golf course. You kind of got the impression it was run by automatons such as from the movie, "The Stepford Wives." That, or at any moment you would be seeing walking dead with hands outstretched coming from around the buildings along the trail. Glad to hear you made it to Najera. I love the old part of that little town. They have a great medieval festival during the spring.Currently walking camino Frances ... Today stage 9 najera to santo domingo
This is the first day that the "spirit of camino " is lost
Stopped at golf course Rioja Alta in ciruena for lunch. Firstly felt that we were ignored and overlooked whilst trying to order at the bar but my real complaint was about a sign displayed in the toilets stating ... You are welcome to use our club but please note that toilet roll is for immediate use only.
Then onto santo domingo where pilgrims have to pay to visit the cathederal and in fact my friend was denied admission to pilgrims mass because she was a few minutes late...
Hope tomorrow brings back some "spirit"
Try to remember that you are a visitor in a very poor country... Granted there is wealth also but the churches and cathedrals are like museums. It cost money to turn the lights on. I found it ingenious when I had to put a coin in a slot to get the lights to come on. Try to remember too that early pilgrims were very poor and many did not even have a pot to piss in. They slept out in the open and were often robbed or worse in the night by bandits and what have you.
Buy a roll of TP and carry it with you. You are not "entitled" to anything because you are a pilgrim... And most importantly, don't take it personally.
A hint:-I love this conversation! Now hoping to carry a roll of toilet paper with me....just for the thrill of replacing something that has been taken....and, as stated, so appreciated by the one who follows. Come to think of it, I would love to have that impact everyday - something else for me to consider on my Camino.
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