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Does anyone have information about the pilgrim office website? Their monthly statistics page seems to have no updates since July.
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The daily average for September is 1,408 compared to 1,567 last year
Does anyone have information about the pilgrim office website? Their monthly statistics page seems to have no updates since July.
Tried that with no success. Also tried two other browsers in Windows 10 and three browsers on an Android phone. Can't get the July and August statistics on any of them on either the Spanish or English versions of the website.Erase your browser history to get rid of old, inaccurate pages stored there.
@t2andreo, there are currently two major bugs on the website of the Oficina. Your advice addresses the other one, not the one that the OP is asking about. It cannot be difficult to mend this but as someone suspected in another thread, it looks like the guy or woman who knows is no longer there ...Erase your browser history to get rid of old, inaccurate pages stored there.
The numbers are as reliable as they have always been: the data show the number of pilgrims who got a Compostela. The data never said anything about the number of pilgrims who arrived and wanted a Compostela, let alone the number of pilgrims who arrived.I just wonder how they will be able to produce reliable numbers after the introduction of the new system.
Not sure I agree. No figures to back it up - just my own impression that the proportion of those who choose not a receive a Compostela seems to be increasing. On my earlier Caminos I can't recall meeting or hearing of anyone who did not intend to ask for a Compostela at the end of their journey. But I am hearing and reading that a lot these days. Some who are overtly non-religious and do not see the point of a church document. A few who are only really passing through Santiago and see Finisterre or Muxia as their real ultimate destination. A growing number of repeat offenders who already have one or more Compostelas and feel no need for another one. And quite a few who are put off by the time it takes at busy periods. It feels as if the number who go officially unnoticed is rising though by definition that would be hard to prove!The numbers are as reliable as they have always been: the data show the number of pilgrims who got a Compostela. The data never said anything about the number of pilgrims who arrived and wanted a Compostela, let alone the number of pilgrims who arrived.
I just wonder how they will be able to produce reliable numbers after the introduction of the new system. If they do not edit more than 1.500 compostelas/day, this does not allow them to conclued, that only 1.500 pilgrims have arrived. They do not count those, who arrived and went to the pilgrim-office but did not get a ticket, because they were too late for that day. If they have no time left to come back the other day, they will disappear in the official statistics.
I also wonder why the official home-page of the pilgrims office does not refer to the new system and does not mention the possibility to send your data to the office in advance. To me it seems that the system is still Imperfect.
Hi we arrived in Santiago last Friday evening having walked the Camino Inglés from Ferrol. On Saturday morning three of my friends - this was their 1st Camino - joined the queue at around 10.15 with tickets numbered in the 800s. They queued for a while but wanted to go to the pilgrim mass at 12 and left the queue. They returned after mass to find that they were now numbered in the 500s. As they were leaving later that day, they reluctantly left the queue without a compostela. Does anyone know if there was a reason why the numbers were so high last weekend, or is this now the norm. I personally didn't enjoy the Camino Inglés as much as others I have done and decided not to apply for the compostela.Is it possible to know how many "tickets" were given out each day? Would that be a closer approximation? Based on other threads, it would seem that they are maxing out every day this month.
Why did they not make use of the QR code and monitor the queue from somewhere more comfortable?Hi we arrived in Santiago last Friday evening having walked the Camino Inglés from Ferrol. On Saturday morning three of my friends - this was their 1st Camino - joined the queue at around 10.15 with tickets numbered in the 800s. They queued for a while but wanted to go to the pilgrim mass at 12 and left the queue. They returned after mass to find that they were now numbered in the 500s. As they were leaving later that day, they reluctantly left the queue without a compostela. Does anyone know if there was a reason why the numbers were so high last weekend, or is this now the norm. I personally didn't enjoy the Camino Inglés as much as others I have done and decided not to apply for the compostela.
Hi we arrived in Santiago last Friday evening having walked the Camino Inglés from Ferrol. On Saturday morning three of my friends - this was their 1st Camino - joined the queue at around 10.15 with tickets numbered in the 800s. They queued for a while but wanted to go to the pilgrim mass at 12 and left the queue. They returned after mass to find that they were now numbered in the 500s. As they were leaving later that day, they reluctantly left the queue without a compostela. Does anyone know if there was a reason why the numbers were so high last weekend, or is this now the norm. I personally didn't enjoy the Camino Inglés as much as others I have done and decided not to apply for the compostela.
Being first timers they probably didn't know about that and actually, neither did I! Although disappointed it didn't detract from their joy in completing this section, and they have all expressed an interest in doing more.Why did they not make use of the QR code and monitor the queue from somewhere more comfortable?
I did a stint in the office in 2017 and am considering doing it again. I would gladly spend time just doing the data entry to speed things up, however it could be difficult. Other people's writing can be tricky to read sometimes. They might use words in their own language. Eg occupations. Some pilgrims put their country of origin, some put their town. Without being on the spot to query there could be dome confusion.I have suggested that they hire one or more data entry people who can work in the back room / upstairs wherever... doing only data entry from the estadillo forms we all fill out. As the 20-row sheets are completed they can be picked up or dropped in a central place for the data entry person to retrieve and enter to the system. Specialization yields faster cycle time.
This idea has not percolated enough to be accepted as someone else's great idea yet. So, I remain hopeful.
Hope this helps.
I hope this reply wasn't aimed at me. I only wanted to clarify the position for my first time friends. I very much appreciate the work of the volunteers in the the office and everywhere along all the various caminos and all the wonderful help posted on this forum. I was in no way criticising anyone - just asking a question on behalf of my friends.I, for one, do not want to be inconvenienced on the Camino. Those volunteers should work longer, harder, and faster. Don't they understand what I have just been through?
I am going our for some whine with my dinner.
There are also those of us who have completed more than one Camino, and already have the Compostela beautifully framed at home....and don’t need another one. The last two times I was in Santiago it was raining horribly, and I was so tired I just couldn’t do it. I also tried to explore the possibility of doing the process by post or online...but got nowhere.Not sure I agree. No figures to back it up - just my own impression that the proportion of those who choose not a receive a Compostela seems to be increasing. On my earlier Caminos I can't recall meeting or hearing of anyone who did not intend to ask for a Compostela at the end of their journey. But I am hearing and reading that a lot these days. Some who are overtly non-religious and do not see the point of a church document. A few who are only really passing through Santiago and see Finisterre or Muxia as their real ultimate destination. A growing number of repeat offenders who already have one or more Compostelas and feel no need for another one. And quite a few who are put off by the time it takes at busy periods. It feels as if the number who go officially unnoticed is rising though by definition that would be hard to prove!
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I hope this reply wasn't aimed at me. I only wanted to clarify the position for my first time friends. I very much appreciate the work of the volunteers in the the office and everywhere along all the various caminos and all the wonderful help posted on this forum. I was in no way criticising anyone - just asking a question on behalf of my friends.
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I, for one, do not want to be inconvenienced on the Camino. Those volunteers should work longer, harder, and faster. Don't they understand what I have just been through?
I am going our for some whine with my dinner.
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I hope this reply wasn't aimed at me. I only wanted to clarify the position for my first time friends. I very much appreciate the work of the volunteers in the the office and everywhere along all the various caminos and all the wonderful help posted on this forum. I was in no way criticising anyone - just asking a question on behalf of my friends.
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I, for one, do not want to be inconvenienced on the Camino. Those volunteers should work longer, harder, and faster. Don't they understand what I have just been through?
I am going our for some whine with my dinner.
It is not. There are three or more active threads pillorying the volunteers and the Office. It is a general aiming about pilgrims demanding rather than asking, and seeing things only from one's own point of view. I have stood in the long lines and I have seen volunteers laboring for hours at a repetitive job receiving compliments and hostility for an entire summer, all for no money. No one is required to stand in a line. If the rainbow at the end of the line is not worth it, don't stand in the line. Resenting those ahead of you in the line is pointless, and resenting the volunteers is even more pointless.I hope this reply wasn't aimed at me.
Thank you. I agree with your comments.It is not. There are three or more active threads pillorying the volunteers and the Office. It is a general aiming about pilgrims demanding rather than asking, and seeing things only from one's own point of view. I have stood in the long lines and I have seen volunteers laboring for hours at a repetitive job receiving compliments and hostility for an entire summer, all for no money. No one is required to stand in a line. If the rainbow at the end of the line is not worth it, don't stand in the line. Resenting those ahead of you in the line is pointless, and resenting the volunteers is even more pointless.
Interesting. So September totals this year are actually down on last year. But overall there has been growth because it has just been announced that the total this year has reached 300,000 two weeks earlier than the same landmark number last year. I wonder where the shift has been towards?The Pilgrim Office makes changes to the daily total that are not posted, but have made their way into the totals when they are published. Since the monthly totals are not being posted, here are my totals for September from the daily post:
43,965
Last year was 47,006. The 2010 Holy Year was 36,870.
Looks like it.Interesting. So September totals this year are actually down on last year.
Since the Compostela count is the only readily available solid number for comparisons it is pretty hard to tell if this is a genuine decrease or a sign that more people are not troubling the pilgrim office on arrival. But overall this year the numbers are up so far. So if those extra bodies are not turning up in September when are they arriving instead?Whether 45,000 or 44,000 in September, it also means that there was a slight decrease in August 2019. A bit odd, isn't it? Less pilgrims or just less people going to the Pilgrims Welcome Office?
But overall this year the numbers are up so far. So if those extra bodies are not turning up in September when are they arriving instead?
Month(s) 2019 | Pilgrims 2019 | Increase (since 2018) | Increase in % |
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January & February | 3,800 | 0 | 0% |
March & April | 39,000 | +6,000 | 18% |
May | 46,500 | +6,000 | 15% |
June | 49,000 | +3,500 | 7% |
July | 53,500 | +2,500 | 5% |
August | 63,000 | +2,500 | 4% |
September | 45,500 | -1,500 | -3% |
October | 36,000 | +500 | 1% |
November | 8,200 | +600 | 8% |
December | 2,700 | +200 | 6% |
Total 2019 | 347,500 | +20,000 | 6% |
Apologies - my phrasing might have been misleading. Clearly they have already arrived or the increase overall would not have been noted What I intended to ask was in which periods that increase had occurred given that there has been a decrease in September. Many thanks to you and your envelope for making the information so clear!I don't quite understand. They have already arrived.
The use of tenses in other languages ... I know I will never ever master this. "Czech pop music singer Karel Gott dies at 80", titles the Washington Post today. How can it be that he dies in present tense today on Wednesday, when he already died on Tuesday ? Each time bewildering when I see such headlines, and I've seen them many times before.my phrasing might have been misleading
The use of tenses in other languages ... I know I will never ever master this. "Czech pop music singer Karel Gott dies at 80", titles the Washington Post today. How can it be that he dies in present tense today on Wednesday, when he already died on Tuesday ? Each time bewildering when I see such headlines, and I've seen them many times before.
Yes, you are right, it's even called historical present. Other languages have it, too, it's just that it's not always used in identical situations across these languages. Perhaps I have a bit of a hangup about tenses. On my first attempt to learn Spanish, I gave up in frustration when the course went beyond present tense. Learning the grammatical forms of verbs is one thing but using them correctly is quite another.I have noticed how american historians often use the present tense when describing historical events
True. Except that there's not much left to say on the topic of monthly statistics until we reach / have reached / will have reached the 1st of November.But maybe we should now revert back to the main topic...!
Interesting. Usually La Voz de Galicia or El Correo Gallego are quick to publish such news but I have seen no mention it in the local news websites. Is the source of your information a public one?A message in my FB feed stated that yesterday, Monday 21 October 2019, the number of pilgrims who were registered by the Oficina del Peregrino in Santiago since January surpassed the total number of pilgrims for last year (327.378).
That's reassuring to know. I'm not too far off the mark then, I've got a daily average to date of 1,244 . I'm currently also amusing myself with tallying daily numbers for October 2019.The Pilgrim Office always made database corrections without them being reflected in the reported daily arrivals. Without the monthly update of totals, there is no public information on trends. I tally daily numbers, and in October the daily average to date is 1,248 compared to last year's 1,148.
The information that last year's total number of pilgrims registered by the Pilgrims Office has been reached was posted in a French speaking group on Facebook. The poster is a PO volunteer..Interesting. Usually La Voz de Galicia or El Correo Gallego are quick to publish such news but I have seen no mention it in the local news websites. Is the source of your information a public one?
Very strange. Just looked on my phone. The new version of the statistics gives percentages for all sorts of things for the past few months but does not mention any actual numbers. An odd omission. I wonder why?Oooh, something is happening on the Oficina's statistics webpage. No new monthly figures but colourful infographics.
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@Bradypus, we posted at the same time. I don't know what it looks like on your phone. I had a look at it with Chrome and Safari under MacOS and on the iPad.Very strange. Just looked on my phone. The new version of the statistics gives percentages for all sorts of things for the past few months but does not mention any actual numbers. An odd omission. I wonder why?
Not a homo ludens then, are you ? I've not yet made up my mind what is most useful for the majority of viewers, black figures in either absolute or in percentage form or these doughnut charts.Just had a look on my laptop. Been able to see actual figures for all the individual categories on passing the cursor over the pie chart sections. Still haven't found the monthly total though. I think the new version of the statistics page may have been created by a games fan with a fondness for Easter eggs! Pretty but less informative than plain text would be.
The percentages always refer to the total for the month, so the absolute number obviously depends on the month. To find out for September 2019 for example, I went to the doughnut chart and then clicked on Pie and Bicicleta. This hides these two sectors and allows the remaining three sectors to expand. Moving the cursor to the sector for Silla de ruedas displays the number: 32 wheelchair pilgrims.0.06% arrived by wheelchair. What's that in absolute numbers?
Here's an example: number of pilgrims by nationality throughout the year, pulled from https://oficinadelperegrino.com/estadisticas2/. In this example: Spanish, US American and South Korean pilgrims by month. Contrary to popular belief, South Koreans do not walk mainly during the winter months. Note that the scale of the y-axis ("Peregrinos") is not identical for the 3 graphs.Another new feature is the option “Comparativa” for a full year.
Interesting. About 100 South Koreans in December. Is that for the first part of this December 2019? On November 10 I walked from Puente la Reina to Pamplona and encountered 10 Koreans during my time at the Alto de Perdón. Presumably they would arrive at Santiago in December. And this was just for one day.Here's an example: number of pilgrims by nationality throughout the year
The graphs are all for 2017. I wanted to illustrate the "Comparativa" function. As I mentioned earlier, a full set of data for a whole year is required for the "Comparativa" function and the function doesn't work for 2018. The actual numbers are less important than the patterns which don't change much from year to year. The Oficina website does the graphs for you, no need to copy-paste into Excel (or Numbers). ☺Is that for the first part of this December 2019?
Many thanks for the information - quite a few people have been asking when this would appearThe Statistics page of the Santiago Pilgrims Office has been updated.