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  1. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    My second day ends on a place called Venta de Lizárraga. Restaurante with 2 rooms only, but keeps me on the hills to visit the 2 ermitas on the mountains south of the valley and then descent to Alsasua on the next day. That would be the zigzag @VNwalking ordered! :)
  2. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    @peregrina2000 I promise you this, I'll train harder and If the weather helps, I'll chhange my route for this: Then I'll have these stages: - 21.54 km with 993 m elevation gain on 1st day - 19.54 km with 1289 m on second day I'd be really happy to be able to do it. I'm thinking on giving up...
  3. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    @peregrina2000 There is no serious reason for me to go through the southern mountains. I made this choice due to its proximity to the Beriain peak, two hermitages to visit (Ermita de San Edrián and Ermita de Santa Marina, although there is nothing special about either one), for the view as I...
  4. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    The Camino de Invierno I just imported from a website as it is well marked and is not on the top of my worries. May be it is not the official route. Thank you for letting me know.
  5. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    WOW @peregrina2000, thank you so much for this link. Lots of great information. Wish I had fould it sooner! Surely of great help!
  6. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Your're right, that is a detour from Guardo to Puente Almuhey through the mountain and it was highly recommend to me. It is 30.55 km and the other alternative is only 18.34 km.
  7. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    You're right. Actually after Orbaneja del Castillo I will incorporate an adventurous spirit and go for whatever is necessary. I hope to be able to evaluate all the opportunities for food and accommodation in each village I pass through in this section so that I can leave my options for the next...
  8. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Thaths exactly it. With good weather I'll go through the mountains. If the weather is not good, I'll keep it low altitude...
  9. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Thank you @caminka for alerting my abou my Pamplona exit. Decided to change it completely and added your track as an alternative. I think it is much better this way and as I'm planning on not goint through the valley, makes more sense to exit to the east. Thank you for all the help.
  10. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Great! Just saw this alternative going when descending the hill after Puebla de Arganzon. It adds a little more walk close to the road but seems like a more frequent (and pproblably better) option. Thank you for the suggestion.
  11. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    I will surely share it with you and I'm even thinking about taking a small drone with me to bertter record my route.
  12. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Checked it also and your're right. There is a nice red bridge further ahead and then the dam. Here is a picture of it: The older bridge seems to remain broken:
  13. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Well @peregrina2000, from the route I chose, not going through the valley, sleeping first night in Ollo and next day climbing the mountains to the left of the valley, its add 11 km to my second day go to the Beriain. It will only depend on the weather and on my fitness but I'd love to be able to...
  14. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    On this paper below you have the best map I found.
  15. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Hi @caminka, The plan I shared is just to be a reference on what I'd like to do. I have another one with all possible variations. I am building a sheet with all this information. When it's ready I'll post it here. For now it is somewhat like this: Sorry, I took clipped this from my phone. On...
  16. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    Oh! Just to let you know, right at the beginning of the path, when leaving Pamplona, I took the liberty of not going through the valley and am walking along the top of the mountain range on your left. The correct route along the Roman road would be to pass through the valley and even climb the...
  17. Paulo Arantes

    The REAL Camino Viejo - a new project for a Camino alternative.

    I would like to share with you a plan that I have been making in recent months to be carried out in October this year and that would not be possible without the valuable help of so many members of this forum. Thank you very much to everyone who posts quality content here. Special thanks to...
  18. Paulo Arantes

    Tracking apps/findpenguins/Relive/ or just simple iphone/google maps

    I've been trying to use as few apps as possible to achieve multiple results. With this in mind, on my next camino I'll use the All Trails app. With it I can navigate, attach pictures on the saved trail and share my location with my family. And I can see all the variants of trails and alternative...
  19. Paulo Arantes

    Can the Camino del Norte be as Magical as the Frances and Portuguese Routes for a first timer?

    All previous posts are great but I'd like to remind you one thing. Whener someone asks me why I think the camino is so magical, I answer that the BEST thing about the camino is the infrastructure it offers (no bed race times...). Of course the villages are beautiful, the other pilgrims are great...
  20. Paulo Arantes

    Injuries, Fatalities Since May

    Estimado Charles, la tasa de mortalidad que utilicé no fue la tasa general del país. Lo restringí a los españoles de 50 a 65 años precisamente porque se acercan más a lo que tenemos con las estadísticas de quienes hacen el Camino de Santiago y lo restringí a los españoles porque son la...

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