Grizzlybero
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I have a garmin watch on, the picture each day is from the garmin connect appEnjoyable read - thank you. This is on my short-list for my 2024 Camino.
Can I ask please, what is your tracking app?
Sadly... . No fridge or kettle either, but if you're lucky maybe a microwave. (Castroverde). Excellent laundry facilities there though.Do the Xunta really expect peregrinos to lug pots & pans & plates around the camino between albergues shiny but unequipped kitchens?
When you are paying 10 euros a night you take what you are given.I was talking to a Korean peregrino this afternoon, and he said the scenery on the Primitive was better than the Portuguese. I only put 2 and 2 together (that your fab photos are of the Primitivo) when I got back to my accommodation & read your latest post.
Do the Xunta really expect peregrinos to lug pots & pans & plates around the camino between albergues shiny but unequipped kitchens?
The price is irrelevant. It can be the same in a Private Albergue, too. I see it as more a case of why, if you’re not prepared to equip it, go to all the expense of installing a kitchen ?When you are paying 10 euros a night you take what you are given.
It's certainly a view Lindsay, not one I subscribe or agree with of course. A kitchen is provided all over Spain (and in any other countries) on every Camino in municipal albergues with the basic necessities to be able for a pilgrim to make a simple meal, subscribing to the idea that not all are equal in wealth when enjoying their walk. One small minded provincial council have made a conscious decision to bow to the lobbying of bars and restauranters that wish to maximise the profitability of the passing pilgrim by forcing them to eat in their establishments. This strategy clearly flies in the face of a 1000 year old practice of pilgrimages being available to all regardless of the size of their wallets.When you are paying 10 euros a night you take what you are given.
This is nothing more than nasty, entirely speculative, conspiracy theorising. It shows little respect for local community members that I have generally found to be genuinely supportive of pilgrims. I can think of other, much more credible explanations, for the removal of kitchen equipment from Xunta and other municipal albergue kitchens. In pre-COVID times when I stayed in Xunta albergues, the kitchen equipment provided was largely unsuitable for individuals or even small groups, which would indicate that community use of the kitchen was was also contemplated in its fitout. If equipment suitable for small groups had ever been provided, it wasn't present in places that I stayed even in 2014 and 2016 when I walked.One small minded provincial council have made a conscious decision to bow to the lobbying of bars and restauranters that wish to maximise the profitability of the passing pilgrim by forcing them to eat in their establishments.
Appreciate your thoughts Doug, and feel we may have to agree to disagree. Your credible working theory that one province in an entire country is financially destitute to the point that they cannot maintain utensils in a kitchen whilst other provinces seem to be finding a way may not hold up to significant economic scrutiny. Of course it is unlikely the Galician council will open its books for us to conclude the speculative argument, so we can both continue to have our own differing thoughts on the conondrum.This is nothing more than nasty, entirely speculative, conspiracy theorising. It shows little respect for local community members that I have generally found to be genuinely supportive of pilgrims. I can think of other, much more credible explanations, for the removal of kitchen equipment from Xunta and other municipal albergue kitchens. In pre-COVID times when I stayed in Xunta albergues, the kitchen equipment provided was largely unsuitable for individuals or even small groups, which would indicate that community use of the kitchen was was also contemplated in its fitout. If equipment suitable for small groups had ever been provided, it wasn't present in places that I stayed even in 2014 and 2016 when I walked.
I think it is much more credible to suggest that the effort required to properly maintain a working kitchen and its movable equipment when pilgrims are less than conscientious about that, and to replace broken or missing items, would be beyond the budgets of these albergues.
Privately run albergues aside, Galicia is unique in that the provincial government runs an extensive network of albergues. Elsewhere they are mainly run by local councils, community and religious organsiations, not the provincial government. The Galician Xunta has no doubt decided that while kitchens are available, utensils are not part of the service and those pilgrims who wish to cook for themselves can provide their own. Maybe it's because of the cleaning/replacement costs and an effort to keep costs for Pilgrims as low as possible.Appreciate your thoughts Doug, and feel we may have to agree to disagree. Your credible working theory that one province in an entire country is financially destitute to the point that they cannot maintain utensils in a kitchen whilst other provinces seem to be finding a way may not hold up to significant economic scrutiny. Of course it is unlikely the Galician council will open its books for us to conclude the speculative argument, so we can both continue to have our own differing thoughts on the conondrum.
That's fine, but I would rather live my life thinking that generally other people are well intentioned, and are not out to rip me off. When given the choice, I wouldn't be inventing some explanation that relies on others avarice or greed.Appreciate your thoughts Doug, and feel we may have to agree to disagree.
The Xunta albergues are not the only places I have been where there hasn't been any kitchen equipment, so its not just Galicia where this happens. And I note that I didn't suggest the Xunta was financially destitute, but might have decided against cleaning, maintaining and replacing the kitchen equipment. It might be this was in the face of pilgrims not taking good care, and they decided it was just not worth it. Did I see any of this? Not directly, but I have come down to enough kitchens in the morning where there was considerable work required to get the kitchen to a clean and tidy state where one could even contemplate starting to cook in it or use the dirty equipment left behind from the previous evening.Your credible working theory that one province in an entire country is financially destitute to the point that they cannot maintain utensils in a kitchen whilst other provinces seem to be finding a way may not hold up to significant economic scrutiny.
You may want to read up on this discussionDo the Xunta really expect peregrinos to lug pots & pans & plates around the camino between albergues shiny but unequipped kitchens?
I see there has been some discussion around this already. That was certainly my thought when I encountered those kitchens. Why build the kitchens if you weren't going to stock them with what is necessary to use them?Do the Xunta really expect peregrinos to lug pots & pans & plates around the camino between albergues shiny but unequipped kitchens?
There has been lots of discussion in these forums on the topic of Xunta kitchens. There have been various theories posted as to why the situation is the way it is now. There hasn't been any evidence provided to support this one, and those whom I consider more likely to know, active in Spain in pilgrim organizations, with a long history in Camino affairs don't seem to be proposing this explanation. So I don't think it is likely.One small minded provincial council have made a conscious decision to bow to the lobbying of bars and restauranters that wish to maximise the profitability of the passing pilgrim by forcing them to eat in their establishments.
Yep agreed, was a great day. Maybe it's the only intact Roman wall completely surrounding a city? Not sure, I do know it was amazing to circle the city from the top of the wall.Not sure that Lugo has the only intact Roman wall on the planet - at least parts of Hadrian's Wall, along which I walked at few years ago, are still standing. Sounds like you made a wise decision to take a bus and actually see something of the town you were staying in, especially if you've flown from down under. It would seem a waste for every town to simply be a name on the map and a bed for the night if there are sights worth seeing.
I think what they mean by intact, is it’s in one piece, whole, complete - which as you pointed out, Hadrians wall is not.Not sure that Lugo has the only intact Roman wall on the planet - at least parts of Hadrian's Wall, along which I walked at few years ago, are still standing.
Sorry, I wasn’t very clear - I meant he can’t skip ahead anymore (from Lugo onwards).Hmmm...actually, if Grizzly just wants either the Compostela or the distance credential and does 2 stamps a day from here out, he can have both. The distance certificate will just read Lugo.
The text on the Compostela doesn't change.
(Believe me, I am *very* familiar with the requirements, since at one low point I was considering bussing to Lugo and "starting over..."
Thanks to you both for the information, there will be no collecting of any pieces of paper on arrival in Santiago, our aim in life is to accumulate as little materially as possibleSorry, I wasn’t very clear - I meant he can’t skip ahead anymore (from Lugo onwards).
The only degree of difficulty I see created by other pilgrims, is to follow the advice of guidebooks and walk ludicrously long stages (to squeeze the walk into an appropriate length holiday) and carry crazy amounts of luggage
Generally no blankets in the Galician municipals, personally I'd bring the 2 season bag, as all buildings were very warm through the night, enjoy the walk.Thanks for the great posts as you wandered along the Primitivo. I begin from Oviedo on 26th. I've completed the Primitivo previously as part of the Norte route in April/May 2019, which I loved, but only have 2 weeks available this year. I'm currently musing over whether to bring my 3 season sleeping bag or my lighter 2 season which has a comfort rating of 12c. The weather is def going to get chillier as I move into November so I was wondering how you found the situation with blankets in the municipal Albergues - are they generally available or non-existent?
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