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frasert said:I did notice when there was a lot of cycle traffic pilgrims kept to the right side of the path or road which helps.
It was a great thread , I thought it was funny , even Ivar highlighted it for a few weeks.StuartM said:I can't understand why a thread should get heated. It's both common sense and usually a legal requirement that the quicker moving vehicle bears the responsibility for giving way to the pedestrian. As a cyclist I've no time for bad cyclists.
brawblether said:The trouble is that those of us from countries who drive on the left, our instincts are usually to walk on the left, which, when there are bikes hurtling down upon up, can be dangerous.
RENSHAW said:When I last broached this subject ( with humour) , I found some cyclists were very quick to attack me rather than admit that they did not have a bell. Indeed , the thread was closed , ...the arrogance .............the ignorance.
How many of you cycled the camino without a bell? :mrgreen:
Dog , por jew I killa da bullnewfydog said:Newf, (who has a bell, slows down to sat hello in five languages, and hasn't run down a walker in 6000 km.)
Do have one or two of those glace oranges dipped in dark chocolate for me and a cortardo coffee at the AlbanyCallea said:I am currently on the Camino in León ..........
NicoZ said:Would people honk a car horn and expect pedestrians to move ?
NicoZ said:brawblether said:It's usually best to walk against traffic. Cyclists should be riding with traffic. Walking against traffic means you see cars and bikes heading towards you..
dariosilva said:remember that St. James was an apostle of Love.
newfydog said:dariosilva said:remember that St. James was an apostle of Love.
You mean when he wasn't chopping the heads off of Moors and riding his horse over them! Imagine what he could have done with a loaded bikeWe need to share the trail with the other, peaceful Santiago in mind!
falcon269 said:much of the Camino is created for pedestrians. The senda has been designed to be wheelchair accessible. That said, mountain bikers are unwelcome guests, and I have never felt the need to accommodate them at my inconvenience. I am happy to share even the most bicycle inappropriate parts of the path at my pedestrian convenience. If the cyclists don't like that, there is always the nearby road, where they should be anyway. That is petty snarky, I agree, but that is the way I walk! If you don't like it, you may have to run over me. I promise litigation!!
Olivares said:it is not meant for mountain bike riding. .
No, it is not. The Camino is a pilgrimage trail, it WAS not meant to be and it is NOT meant to be a mountain bike trail more than it is meant for cars or mopeds. The diversity of terrain, soil, vegetation, and topography makes it perfect as a walking trail. We obviously have very different opinions on the subject. 8)newfydog said:[Actually, it is perhaps the finest long distance mountain bike trail in the world.
Olivares said:No, it is not. The Camino is a pilgrimage trail, it WAS not meant to be and it is NOT meant to be a mountain bike trail more than it is meant for cars or mopeds.)newfydog said:[Actually, it is perhaps the finest long distance mountain bike trail in the world.
The main problem with these discussions is that the aggressive (ignorant?) bikers are unlikely to be reading them on this forum. We are discussing symptoms and not the causes. There is little one can do when bikers are giving walkers a near miss and speed into the unknown. :mrgreen:falcon269 said:[...] mountain bikers are unwelcome guests, and I have never felt the need to accommodate them at my inconvenience. I am happy to share even the most bicycle inappropriate parts of the path at my pedestrian convenience. If the cyclists don't like that, there is always the nearby road, where they should be anyway.
Who are we to tell them they don't belong there?
brawblether said:I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't be there,
Umm, what thread are you reading? I wish that a bit a respect for shared space was what they were posting
mountain bikers are unwelcome guests
there is always the nearby road, where they should be anyway
it WAS not meant to be and it is NOT meant to be a mountain bike trail
dariosilva said:Check history on St. James the Apostle. The depiction of St. James the Apostle on a horse wearing medieval clothing slaying Moors is a myth. .
At dawn, Christian troops, sure of their victory, attacked the Saracens. For the first time some Spaniards used “Santiago” as a war cry. In the heat of the battle, a great white knight, with a white banner on a white horse, struck the field like a ray of light, to tilt the victory on the crusaders’ side. On May 25, in the town of Calahorra, the king vowed to Santiago in gratitude, inviting all Christians in the peninsula to go on a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, carrying offerings to the Apostle.
ZenPeregrino said:I tend to agree with newfydog. From a Buddhist perspective, our problems arise when we develop an attachment to a picture in our mind of how things are "supposed to be," rather than meeting reality as it arises and acknowledging the way things actually are. I'm on the Camino now and there are times when I am walking a path of solitude in a beautiful forest trail with birds singing, just as I had pictured it would be. There are other times when cyclists race past, or I am walking next to a giant industrial factory, or I am tired and it is raining and I am cold and hungry, and nothing seems mystical or spiritual at all. In those times I try to remember that those times are just as much "the Way" as the perfect forest moments. At least for me, that is one of the lessons I am learning more deeply on my Camino.
As always, each person walks their own Camino, and your mileage may vary.
Buen Camino,
ZP
Anniesantiago said:I used to not like bicigrinos on the Camino
But this year I decided to love them and so far,
I'm with Callea. They have been extra polite.
I have had no problems at all
Pieces said:assuming they are idiots usually works
and some of them are, though my experience is that more bikes than pedestrians will do highly unexpected and potentially deadly things in traffic...
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