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Hi Gunnar!Hello Susanna,
Thank you for this interesting picture report.
If I understand well, on posted picture 3: you passed between the left cow and the second left cow, went a little bit up and took picture 5 and 6 close to where the first trees (start of the forrest) are situated on picture 3?
If yes, the gorge you took on pic 5&6 is the suggested orange path on the Garmin map.
There is a fuente on the map where I put label "2" (start of a blue line), so that must be where the forrest starts in the gorge on picture 6.
What a treat to wake up and find there are 8 posts about the Puerto de Pajares.
I have the definite answer to only one small question. The last picture you post, Susanna, shows the fork where you can go directly to San Miguel and by-pass Pajares. For anyone walking a stage from, say Poladura to Campomanes, this would be the way to go. (San Miguel is the first pretty little town at the bottom of the descent when you leave Pajares.)
Hola, pongo un enlace de las fotos que realice el día 13 de Octubre del 2011 que fue el día que marque este sendero a Pajares, deciros que estuve marcando esos días el camino hasta Oviedo y que en cuanto llegue a Oviedo al volver a mi casa en coche, mande parar a mi mujer y escribí : PELIGROSO al lado de sendero a Pajares, sigo pensando que no se puede recomendar a todo el mundo y que el que tome la decisión de ir por él tiene que saber el peligro que corre.
Veréis que no está puesta la señal de madera que indica San Miguel - Pajares, esa señal no la puse hasta unos meses después que localice el camino por el bosque y lo fui marcando con ayuda de mi mujer y unos amigos
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hce9pehthvlrf2f/--s8Anrrsh/sendero a pajares
El camino que se ve al lado del tunel y la via del tren es el oficial que va a San Miguel, unos kilómetros mas adelante se bifurca en dos, uno va a la autopista que esta en la otra montaña y el otro continua hasta San Miguel o hasta Pajares, según lo que quisieramos hacer.
Ahora no es necesario coger ese camino para ir a Pajares ya que se alarga 5 Km mas que por donde esta marcado a traves del pequeño bosque de hayas, pero es un camino precioso si lo haceis alguno seguro que os va a gustar mucho entre acebos.
Espero que se vea el enlace a dropbox (es la primera vez que lo utilizo)
Un saludo
Interesting.
Now we talk about trains and tracks.
Is it possible that there is another train track under the ground at the other side of the N630 (so in the area where the blue path is situated) that makes a U-curve? I remember seeing a map with a track that turns back. It could be part of the coal mine situated behind the church of Arbas del Puerto .
Another remark is that the train track between León and Pola de Lena (or was it Mieres?) is only single track. I noticed it's a very, very busy line comparing to other RENFE railroad lines I remember seeing on the camino Frances. Passengers, coal and iron: it goes from León to Oviedo and from Oviedo to León almost every 10 minutes. But only on a single track for a big part.
Let the coal miners from La Robla/Asturia dig larger tunnels. An opportunity?
Maybe one can do it with a toboggan in the winter.
He told me he'd been the first person ever to ski down Naranjo de Bulnes. That's seriously impressive...
I bet he could manage Gunnar's mystery track!
Susanna, looking to your pictures, the bull was blocking your road somewhere at the fifth last red dot?
Cayendo?
Hola, pongo un enlace de las fotos que realice el día 13 de Octubre del 2011 que fue el día que marque este sendero a Pajares, deciros que estuve marcando esos días el camino hasta Oviedo y que en cuanto llegue a Oviedo al volver a mi casa en coche, mande parar a mi mujer y escribí : PELIGROSO al lado de sendero a Pajares, sigo pensando que no se puede recomendar a todo el mundo y que el que tome la decisión de ir por él tiene que saber el peligro que corre.
Veréis que no está puesta la señal de madera que indica San Miguel - Pajares, esa señal no la puse hasta unos meses después que localice el camino por el bosque y lo fui marcando con ayuda de mi mujer y unos amigos
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hce9pehthvlrf2f/--s8Anrrsh/sendero a pajares
El camino que se ve al lado del tunel y la via del tren es el oficial que va a San Miguel, unos kilómetros mas adelante se bifurca en dos, uno va a la autopista que esta en la otra montaña y el otro continua hasta San Miguel o hasta Pajares, según lo que quisieramos hacer.
Ahora no es necesario coger ese camino para ir a Pajares ya que se alarga 5 Km mas que por donde esta marcado a traves del pequeño bosque de hayas, pero es un camino precioso si lo haceis alguno seguro que os va a gustar mucho entre acebos.
Espero que se vea el enlace a dropbox (es la primera vez que lo utilizo)
Un saludo
Hola.
Deciros como curiosidad que el túnel que se ve en esas fotografías es el " túnel de La Perruca". Cuando se construyo era el más grande de España.
La obra de construcción del ferrocarril por el puerto de Pajares fue una obra faraónica para esos tiempos.
Pongo un enlace de tres páginas muy interesantes que explican esa obra ferroviaria (siento no poder traducirlas).
Mi amigo Josines me contó que el siempre lloraba cuando llegaba a ese túnel y cantaba una canción muy antigua que hacía referencia a ese túnel y su salida de Asturias para entrar en León, él estudiaba fuera y le entristecía dejar su Asturias del alma:
En pasando la Perruca,
y el Carrascal de la Legua,
adiós Asturias del alma,
cuando volveré a tus tierras.
adiós puertu de Payares,
que crucé muerta de pena,
porque he dejado a mi madre,
en el concejo de Lena.
http://www.telecable.es/personales/alfredov/nortePajConst.html
http://antiguosalumnosdominicos.blogia.com/2011/030201-los-tuneles-de-pajares.php
http://www.flickr.com/photos/navidiello/7217438680/
Un saludo
This last post may be only for Gunnar and our other map whizzes. But there is more to this Puerto de Pajares puzzle, which Ender´s post explains.
The first time I walked, the split with Ender´s wooden marked split wasn´t there. The way went instead to a split between San Miguel and Pajares that was much further on, and added 5 kms to the walk to Pajares.
Ender´s split gave pilgrims an earlier turn-off for the town of Pajares. As Ender explained to me, this path is the path used by the townspeople of Pajares when they carried their dead up to the church in Santa María del Arbas del puerto.
If you didn´t take Ender´s turn off for Pajares, you would keep walking and come to another split to allow you to choose between San Miguel and Pajares:
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But this is a longer way to Pajares.
Either way, once you are in Pajares, you will pass through San Miguel, so if people aren´t going to sleep in Pajares, they really could just continue on to San Miguel. Though it´s all so beautiful that I don´t think anyone minds taking a few 5 km detours!
But what I don´t understand about what Ender said are these two sentences:
The path that you see at the side of the tunnel and the RR tracks is the official route to San Miguel. A few kms after that point, it splits into two, one goes to the highway that is on the other mountain and the other continues on to San Miguel or to Pajares.
I´m going to ask him and get back to you, or maybe Gunnar will figure it out first. buen camino, Laurie
The path I walked was marked with yellow arrows and there were cows in lots of places until the end. And it did not seem to be that far away from n-630.
The lyrics that Ender wrote made me want to know more about this song. It is a very nostalgic song. I found the full lyrics on google. It seems that the asturianos have their own brand of yearning for home or saudade. It also reminded me that when I was walking the Camino Vadiniense and good for nothing but watching TV at night in a hotel in Fuente De, there was a show on about all of the Asturians who had emigrated to Argentina, how difficult it had been for them, and how they still carried Asturias in their hearts. I have to say that though I love Illinois I can't imagine writing a song about my pain if I ever left it.
The way I went had the yellow metal markers, the ones with arrows and scallop shells which I assume must be the new way. When I got to the track opposite the emergency road I was a bit confused, there is a concrete scallop marker next to a gap in the rickety old wooden fence. I thought for a moment that that was the way on. It was one of the few places I had to get the map out. This is it on Street View:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Puerto de Pajares, Spain&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.997986,-5.763259&spn=0.00228,0.005284&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.660759,21.643066&oq=puerto de paja&t=h&hnear=Payares, Asturias, Principáu d'Asturies, Spain&z=18&layer=c&cbll=42.997986,-5.763259&panoid=I58n8q7G_LWbJ_mhSd7iyA&cbp=12,320.56,,1,10.76
It didn't seem right so I turned back and went up the track. If I remember right you go over a metal gate, I think you follow a ridge for a bit until you come to the split and then the metal markers begin as you go off to the right and down a slope. I think that's how it went.
Hello dear camino friends,
I made a new map. This time it's larger and it contains digits and letters on important crosses.
For me, it's not possible to understand the description of the coffin path. So it would be nice to describe the path by mentioning the digits/letters it passes. (possible path = d>c>b>a>g>u>t>8>7>6>4>5>...]
About the latest picture that Susanna posted. Yes, the marker that indicates to go down (just after 4), I followed that road also.
To describe what was next: The path goes down (direction w), you walk in ferns, the path goes right into the forest (path still goes down).
After the forest: again down through a meadow. You arrive at a small swamp. From there, the path has two tracks used by farmer vehicles and arrives at a comfortable road at "t".
At "u", just before arriving the N630 ("9"), there is a arrow pointing down again on a small path (two pink dots). I followed the N630 (a>v>d). Does the path at "u" connects "s"? Or does it connect "m" close to San Miguel?
Puerto de Pajares to San Miguel skipping Pajares = [blue, red or N630 till emergency track "5"]>4>6>7>n>m>g
The day after Pajares-San Miguel: the camino = h>f>e>g>j>k
At "f" (iron rousty gate), I didn't see an arrow, so you could walk to "i".
At "k": Santa Marina: you have to open the blue gate.
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And in fact, there seems to be another alternative to go from Puerto de Pajares till Pajares.
On my abcde-map, take the blue path to the North, leave it (where it goes North West down to the emergency track). Just continue to the North, zigzagging on the full black line (means possibility to drive on it with 4x4, farmer vehicle) to the top of the map
and come down on the white road arriving on the first "a" of the word Pajares.
héhé.
I think the official camino really should go to the bar-restaurant because there is no bar far before and far
behind the place. (instead of going over the hill in the back)
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I didn't go on that path but I think you're right. As you described things there must be a path to Pajares village that way too.It's becoming clearer! so, at the push-pin that says "Ender's wooden marker," that uncolored track to the left must be where the camino used to go. At some point on that path, there is another turn right to get back to the yellow path or to continue on to San Miguel. That spot is my picture of the concrete mojon with the two conch shells. But no one going on to Pajares will probably walk that way now, because they will take the first turn-off that Ender made.
If you didn't hear the N630 you probably walked the way mentioned by Laurie.I am sorry, I try to remember but all this remains too vague...
I cannot remember having seen the N630 nor having crossed any woods (it was in july 2010, woods and shadow should still be in my head if there had been any). I remember high vegetation (farns?), small paths as well as something which might have been a 4x4 way. I remember silence. And that it was a very long way after a very hard day.
If the wooden mark splitting San Miguel and Pajares comes before a second split at the concrete mark, I must indeed have followed that path, with a bigger distance to the N630.
Have to go back there, I guess - won't be able to sleep with these doubts...
We did the same stretch in one day. It was a lovely day with very good temperature, it was hard but to do for us. Although the last part before Campomanes we decided not to go along the road, not the path through the woods. The road seemed more easy...I heard from someone who started the day in Poladura and was not stopping in Pajares but followed the path all the way to Pajares. they then went down to San Miguel and on to Campomanes. No wonder they were exhausted when they arrived!
Also because of what Stuart said, I suppose there was this sign but I completely missed it, to much focused for the caffee and the boccadillo... Because I went of trail in Arbas, I think I wasn't on the camino anyway and had to find my own way. Sorry for that confusion.Thomas, I agree that many people will not take the camino ender marked behind the bar if they know if will not stop at the bar (which would also mean missing the fabulous views from the parador look-out). So are you saying there is no way marked from the bar up to the Camino on the right?
Yes, hope to be there too ;-)I am hoping to be there next May and would be happy to have a painting party with this group.
Thank you Thomas for this voluminous and detailed post. Beautiful.I love this topic and I can't get enough of it either!
While walking I always have an GPS tracker in my pocket. I uploaded that in google earth which gave this picture.
I tried to make it clearer with all the extra marks in it, hope it still works works. This map shows the whole part between Arbas del Puerto and Pajaras village. Hope it doesn't make the whole discussion more confusing...
The way I walked is the yellow line. I walked from Arbas straight to Pajaras pass and didn't take the official camino which goes over the hill in the back of the bar.
After the bar I followed the N-630 till the emergency truck lane, I took a sharp left there back to the the camino. The signs there are very clear now. Ria (my wife) told me that it wasn't clear for her when she walked this part a few years ago, she walked to Pajares village on the N-630 all the way...
From the emergency lane I followed the camino signs, thanks to Ender, taking the Pajares sign, not the San Miguel route.. The path from there goes first through the cows (and a peaceful bull...), then the muddy part in the woods, the the bigger easy path (where vehicels can pass too). Then it goes the sharp left (point U at Gunnars map) where Suzanna decided to go straight back to the N-630. (might be a good desicion, much shorter and easier) The path we took and had caminosigns all the way, keeps going beneath the N-630, just before Pajares village it passes the cemetry, then we entered the village with the lovely albergue with the beautiful view.
After Pajares village (near the roadsigns of leaving the village) we took the path to the left to San Miguel, a path which is goes very steep down.
So back to the Pajares pass.
I think the official camino really should go to the bar-restaurant because there is no bar far before and far behind the place. (instead of going over the hill in the back)
Then we should forget about the school kids way, don't we? This because just before the bar we can take a right uphill, then a left to get straight to the emergency truck runway. It's safe.
I more people agree on that, we could ask Ender to mark the camino this way next time.
If someone still wants to continue on the N-630, please walk on the right side!!!!! On the left there is this double guardrail AND a double road, it's very very very dangerous. While walking left it might be that 2 trucks are coming up to you while passing each other. I have been a truck driver for many years and I know passing each other in such situations while the road is curving is very narrow with absolutely no place for walkers. You might be smashed between a truck and the double guardrail, there is no way you can quickly jump over the double guardrail. If walking right you find more space.
So... what about a forum meeting soon at Pajares taking some yellow paint with us ;-)
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The way up behind the bar is definitely marked. There are yellow painted signs where it leaves the road (cant remember what or where but definitely marked) and there is at least one concrete scallop post, there is certainly one right at the top. It's not far, 10 min walk maybe? At the summit you can see the emergency lane below, there are no markings going down but you really can't miss it. I'm sure I've got some pics on my PC, I'll look in the morning.
I remember seeing the alternative track that Gunnar mentions at the summit and did consider staying high all the way to Pajares however the weather was turning and I didnt want to be at altitude if rain was coming. I hadn't decided whether or not to actually go to Pajares at this point either, I was still toying with Campomanes.
The "high" route from Arbas is marked too, a guy I leapfrogged for a couple of days went that way and missed the bar. He had a French-Canadian guide which recommended it.
Laurie, about a possible path behind the bar and the blue path: I put an ***update*** note on my post where I uploaded the satellite view.
About the picture Laurie posted with the double shell Pajares/San Miguel: the only place where this marker could make sense is point "7".
But then where is the route from Point 7 to Pajares? That´s the "original" route that was in place before Ender put his post with the shortcut via the cemetery route.
I am still very confused, but I guess I don´t need to say that, it´s very obvious.
Okay. I'm confused, too.
You are saying that there are two paths missing at Gunnars first map (in post 1)?
A, the original route which was five km longer, the end of the part which goes to Pajares. Which means it does not go to San Miguel before it goes to Pajares? And that ones never had to climb up that awful, awful hill?
Right, if that's so, then I guess it also went up "the coffin road". Which ends at the No Thanks point, at n-630?
B, And Gunnar also forgot to put the blue dots from Arbas? As you can walk from Arbas on the Barbed Wired aka blue path all the way? And not only the short blue dotted path from the bar, called The Wimp Way ?
Or am I all wrong here?
Hello, I'm back again, don't be confused
At point "7", following my opinion, there is the double shell marker from Laurie and.... there is also a way to go to the autopista... dotted and painted in brown
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Don't you think we will get a remark from Ivar because we post too much pictures, maps....
At your service,
Gunnar W.
I have to say I think the Puerto de Pajares club and the electric coil club are the two nicest sub-groups on the forum (and coincidentally Susanna and I belong to both).
I have to say I think the Puerto de Pajares club and the electric coil club are the two nicest sub-groups on the forum (and coincidentally Susanna and I belong to both).
Sorry I have missed out on all the fun over the past couple of weeks. I was out walking the Salvador!
Sadly, I have little to add to this map-making saga
I think the only way we'll get remarks from Ivar is if we start hurling instults at each other. Which we would obviously never do. I have to say I think the Puerto de Pajares club and the electric coil club are the two nicest sub-groups on the forum (and coincidentally Susanna and I belong to both).
Ok, I'm trying to catch up and sort things out here.Am I right that a) the way that Thomas suggested should be marked (behind the bar) is already marked and b) you walked it?
Am looking forward to your pics.
But I think (hope you will correct me here) you still don´t have a complete version of the coffin route. Or is it that black line that goes up to the highway after the pink and yellow join?
And if that is the case, then the wide track that connects the N-630 with the autovia is the following:
-- black line from highway to point where pink and yellow join
-- stay on pink to point 7
-- get on dotted brown
-- but is your single line brown showing a track or just showing us that you´ve gotten us pretty close to the autovia?
How do you know that all of this is a wide track? Can you see it on the map?
Sorry I have missed out on all the fun over the past couple of weeks. I was out walking the Salvador!
Sadly, I have little to add to this map-making saga, as the days are growing so short and each day´s walk was a race to get to the next albergue before the sun vanished behind the mountains! I was at Pajares Pass late on Wednesday, a cool, clear day. We started at Buiza.
I saw the first arrows for the "over the peak past the bulls" route at the Puerto de Pajares, but a building project at the roadway maintenance garage had barricaded the big parking lot and prevented the only access I could see. It looked like I would have to climb a wooden fence and walk along a pasture full of horses, then head up a sheer hillside. I was just then in dire need of a cold beer, so I opted for the bar.
I soon had a look round the "front yard" of the old hotel, and could only see the impending sunset. Three years ago I hiked down the highway and followed the marked path from the runaway truck ramp downhill and back up to Pajares Pueblo. It had added many steps to a long day back then, and this day I did not savor that long, circuitous hike, or trying to find a much-contested new pathway in failing light.
My hiking partner decided for us. The two mountains had done her in, and traffic on the highway was light.
We put on our reflective vests and walked along the roadway to Pajares.
Appalling, I know. But it really was not so bad as all that. And we made it to town with only about five minutes of light left to see with.
(I want also to applaud the wonderful little refuge at Cabanillas, and the OTTER we saw playing in the rapids of the Bernesga River just south of La Robla! The Salvador really does have it all!)
Yes, we must be the most crazy group here at the forum, and I love it . Sometimes little things are very important in life.
Just a short reply on Lauries question, because I think I know that answer:
Just before the wide track is getting to the autovia there is a sign to the left, down into a small path. I took it, I think that is the coffin route.
You can see it at the map I used, it is the yellow line. The path takes you around the mountain, has the same curve as the autovia but down from that. If you follow the wide path and continue on the autovia (like Suzanne did) it seems to be much shorter.
Stuart: it might very well be possible that there are clear arrows, I possible just missed all that while all my focus was on that caffee I was going to drink...
But, it might also be that this path is blocked now by the the roadway maintenance garage as described by Rebekah.
I checked my pictures. In the far end just left of the road you can see the garage and silo standing on the parking lot. (and see how busy this road was at that moment). But at the same picture I also can't see the electric lines like on your picture. Can that picture indeed being taken at another point?
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Here everyone can also see why to walk at the right side just after the bar. There is some space there and no space at all and the high guardrail on the left.
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Yep, the way was marked. Like I said, I can't really remember how it was marked but it was done somehow. I think it was yellow paint, there was a mark on the gate post just down from the bar, maybe and on boulders going up the track. I was going pretty quick up that path as I was trying to avoid the bull noticing me but he looked that he might have other things on his mind
Right... I've taken a look at my pictures, I don't have a shot of the concrete mojon like I thought but I am really confused now. This is a blow-up of a cheesy self-portrait I took at the top of the "Wimp Route" that goes up from the back of the bar. I might be remembering it wrong but I'm pretty sure I took this at the summit after I crossed the barbed wire fence. If I'm right then the way down is to the LEFT of the electricity pylon in the background. But... I never noticed this before, there is a yellow flecha on the concrete foundation block which points to the RIGHT. I'm wondering if this is the alternative route that Gunnar spoke about that went over the hills to Pajares.
I'm also wondering if Ender is quietly chuckling away as he reads this.
[EDIT: I'm looking at this now on Bing aerial view and I think I may be remembering it wrong, it's possible the pylon was on the left of the way down. I would have sworn it was on the other side though. I'm getting very confused now]
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Huh? Now I'm getting confused here. And I mean really confused.Just before the wide track is getting to the autovia there is a sign to the left, down into a small path. I took it, I think that is the coffin route.
You can see it at the map I used, it is the yellow line. The path takes you around the mountain, has the same curve as the autovia but down from that. If you follow the wide path and continue on the autovia (like Suzanne did) it seems to be much shorter.
About the post of Laurie,
Coffin path: I think the coffin path follows the 4,6km (5km if you want) stretch in pink till the emergency path (which is not in pink, it was not possible in the application). What happens next with the coffin, I don't know. N630 till Arbas?
I enlarged the map and mentioned the autopista because you mentioned the autovia.
I think we have to use the correct Spanish terms.
Autopista = highway with toll (peaje) = at least 2 seperate lanes each way = 120km/h. In our case it's the AP66 between León and Oviedo. The Alsa bus I took from Oviedo till León took that way.
Autovia = free highway = at least 2 seperate lanes each way = 120km/h. In our case, the AP66 is free at Campomanes till Oviedo and become the A66. That's the reason the traffic disappeared on our camino between Pola de Lena and Ujo.
National roads (N-ways) like the N630 = 90km/h (sometimes 100km/h).
The N630 is not an autovia, not a highway.
Huh? Now I'm getting confused here. And I mean really confused.
What autovia? What's that and where is it? And did I walk it?
Hola Gunnar,
Yes, the yellow path is the one I walked (I think so) I remember close to Pajares I was suddenly standing on the n-630, and there was a sign/arrow telling me that I could go down the hill again, instead of going out on the n-630. I then said "no thanks" and walked the last part (a km? Or 500 meters something?) on n-630 and finally on pavement along it.
About the post of Laurie,
Coffin path: I think the coffin path follows the 4,6km (5km if you want) stretch in pink till the emergency path (which is not in pink, it was not possible in the application). What happens next with the coffin, I don't know. N630 till Arbas?
Yes I agree, let's call n-630 n-630.Sorry for the confusion Suzanne.
The autovia is in this case the N-630. I wrote this because I unserstood this from what you mentioned before:
About the powerlines:
on the bingmap you can see them quit good. If you look at:
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=r4z4yqghm5vn&lvl=18&dir=90&sty=b&q=pajares&form=LMLTCC
you can see at the right the bar and on top to the left bottom thin powerlines with clearly the three poles and on the left bottom a singel pole.
You're right about the autovia and autopista Gunnar. Let's call it the N630 or national road.
I also see very clear in your picture that there is a clear sign just before the bar and near the silo to the right. I missed that out completely. Sorry for the confusion I made.
Ok I've been out most of the day. It seems like I've missed something Big here.Hello Laurie,
About the coffin path. I was thinking to transport first the body from Pajares to Arbas church. But we can think also reverse: from Arbas to Pajares. If the path never hit, crosses [well it needs to cross once] or is on the N630, then the part between Arbas and the emergencytrack seems no to be much comfortable (for a horse and a cart if we do it like that).
About point 2 (the question).
Autovia? The autovia A66 starts in Campomanes heading Oviedo... see my previous post admired by Susanna.
Aha, no we didn't start yet about other alternatives. Looking to the map with the brown dots heading to the Autopista. There are more alternatives. Much longer off course, for example Puerto de Pajares - point 7 - going more to the east and then to the North passing "El Nocedo" and then San Miguel del Rio.
And there is still the ferrocaril mystery. Meanwhile I found out where the fancy part is situated. But that's for later.
Hello Laurie,
About the coffin path. I was thinking to transport first the body from Pajares to Arbas church. But we can think also reverse: from Arbas to Pajares. If the path never hit, crosses [well it needs to cross once] or is on the N630, then the part between Arbas and the emergencytrack seems no to be much comfortable (for a horse and a cart if we do it like that).
Sorry to be dense, but you'll have to explain it differently. If the body is going from the town of Pajares to Arbas church, we still have to find the trail from the town of Pajares up to the point where the pink meets the yellow trail. Isn't that where we are stuck?
Ok I've been out most of the day. It seems like I've missed something Big here.
(Now it's starting to look like a mystery novel IRL)
"...transport the body..."
What body? Maybe when should take this in pm?
Oh dear.
Laurie, what's happened?
Ok I guess you can be happy it's not +34 c anymore, considering the situation you are in.
I think one thing we agree and that's about the way of caminar to Pajares Pueblo
It seems that Fatma and Laurie took a long time ago another way between 4 and d. We have to hypnotize them much more with unclear pictures, weird maps,... to bring the memory back.
And then: "la Ruta de la Reconquista" and the Picos de Europa.
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