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Yikes, at that time of year you'll freeze! Take a sleeping bag, not everywhere has blankets and even if they do I think you'd be cold with just a light sleeping sheet and a blanket.Ah! the one thing I forgot, I'm thinking about just bringing a very light sleeping sheet?
Ah! the one thing I forgot, I'm thinking about just bringing a very light sleeping sheet?
I have fit everthing into an Osprey Talon 45, including a light sleeping bag.I keep trying to find out if I am getting the right size [ if there IS such a thing! ] backpack for the 800km trip on the Camino. I just ordered through REI an Osprey Aether 60 and am wondering if a 60 liter pack will suffice for the 5 to 6 weeks I will be hiking? Any thoughts?
Too big from my experience, I used an Osprey Exos 46, and it was 2/3 full, take the items you are packing and bring them to REI to test the bag for the right size, seriously take a look for backpacks in the 28-34 liter range.I keep trying to find out if I am getting the right size [ if there IS such a thing! ] backpack for the 800km trip on the Camino. I just ordered through REI an Osprey Aether 60 and am wondering if a 60 liter pack will suffice for the 5 to 6 weeks I will be hiking? Any thoughts?
I have fit everthing into an Osprey Talon 45, including a light sleeping bag.
ArkBuilder:
I purchased the REI Vagabond Tour 40 travel pack (it is a backpack with hip belt, etc. - just small) - 38 liters - 2.318 cubic inches - dimensions 24.5 x 10 x 7 inches. I got this one because it meets most airline carry-on size requirements - forcing me to pack super light(my super small Marmot NanoWave 45 - 820g/28.9oz sleeping bag on the bottom, 1 pr pants, 2 t-shirts, hat, etc. fill in the remaining space). On the plane I will wear my boots, a light merino wool sweater over a shirt and carry my rain jacket. I am going to make the Vagabond Tour 40 work because I do not want to check a bag.
You must be a very light packer indeed, Zippety!! No offense, but I am not fond of the shape or those graphics on the side of the Talon 45. I almost bought a Osprey Xenith 88 !! Now that is HUGE and way too much for me. You could put a dwarf inside that thing. So, the 60 didn't seem as large after that.
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A couple of really simple rules of thumb on backpack size:
- for summer you need as many litres as half your walking body weight. Eg, if you're 80kg, you will need a 40li pack.
- for spring or autumn, add 25 to 50%. In the case of our example, between 50 and 60 li might be required.
- round up. If you round down, expect it to be more difficult to pack everything you need to take.
These 'rules' will result in a pack size capable of carrying a 10% of body mass load at a packing density of 200gm/li (summer) or up to 15% (autumn/spring).
If you are going to carry a sleeping bag, add up to 5li.
If you can afford really light gear or are the sort of person who can sleep naked on rock, walk barefoot and catches small animals for food, take off up to 5li.
Regards
A few thoughts.
I don't know for Osprey but often the published litres are for the medium body length. The large will be a little bigger the small a little smaller. So don't go by the number of litres but actually do a test packing.
Consider what you're getting and not just the size. Access points. Straps and belts. In other words is it easy to use? Easy to carry loaded? Or will you regret the missing features?
You're not going five weeks into the wild. Yes you'll be away for five weeks but you aren't carrying everything into the lonely forest. You're really packing for a series of day trips.
Often the pack maker will list the weight it's designed for. For an extreme example the Gregory Whitney (A LARGE pack) lists a comfort zone of 27lbs. That means it's supposed to be comfortable under that weight.
The smaller Z55 lists 18lbs.
Many people here would tell you the Z55 at 55 litres is too big. Yet it's not really intended to carry your 22lb.
I've no idea how you're hitting 22lbs. My Z55 fully loaded not counting water is around 12lbs I think. Maybe slightly more/less.
Very few actually carry their sleeping pad the whole camino, you sleep in a bed, not out on the trail. Albergue Casa Paderborn in Pamplona had 7 various sleeping pads/matresses on the free shelf that people had ditched along with other stuff. The only ones you see carrying sleeping pads are the P100/Touregrino pilgrims in the last 100KM before Santiago.Many good ideas and suggestions. Thank you!
In my research I found that 22 lbs was the absolute maximum for most folks, so that's how I came up with this number.
My preference might be to carry a larger pack such as the one I purchased [ REI has an incredible return policy ] to handle bulky but light things, like my U.S. Army goose-down cocoon sleeping bag and keeping my folded-in-half-down-the-middle rolled sleeping pad INSIDE my pack instead of hanging it on the outside lower back, so even though these things may not be extremely heavy, they take up room.
Nevertheless, I will not forget your advice [ I am "reachable" as well as "teachable" ] and when I pick up my backpack I will go through the store and pick out things I would purchase for the trip [ rather than to bring all my stuff to the store ] and pack it to see how heavy it may end up being. Most likely, as many do, I will probably start "whittling" down what I am taking to keep it from torturing me on the trail.
Over the years as I have hitched-hiked around the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, traveled to France, Hungary, Japan and Spain, I always [ truly always ] took twice what I actually used, so I now pack and then take out half of everything I put in and then take a 3rd of this out. Had just what I would use and no more.
Itsjustme
NicoZ,A few thoughts.
Often the pack maker will list the weight it's designed for. For an extreme example the Gregory Whitney (A LARGE pack) lists a comfort zone of 27lbs. That means it's supposed to be comfortable under that weight.
My other rule of thumb about pack sizes is that for a Camino, a 'safe' packing density is about 200gm/li. Your 22lb/10kg load would require a 50li pack. If you were prepared to back tightly, you might reduce that to 45li or a bit less.Don't want to go over 22 lbs. if I can help it.
Thank you Santiago_67, I will give it a peek to see how I would like the Vagabond Tour 40.
Okay. I peeked and I REALLY like the Orange and Red one. It looks nice and compact as well as easy to haul and you are right about how it will work on an airplane. However, its missing a few features that I was looking for in a pack, i.e. water bottle mesh holder, walking stick quick stow, and a mesh front for damp things, etc. I had a Harley-Davidson pack about that size with a retroreflective piping around it [ so people can see me better at night if they can not see my strobing 84 LED brake lights ], but it didn't seem big enough for my needs. So, when you see me laying in a ditch on the Camino because I didn't listen, please muffle your laughter as you pass?
I forgot to comment on bag size. I had a 40L bag last year and it was full. It weighed about 22 lbs (my detailed packing list is in my blog). It was heavy--have to add water and foood. I plan to walk again next year and am looking at 30L packs. Smaller you can go with, the better.
I also used two very lightweight sheets instead of a sleeping bag and found all the albergues had blankets except one or two (used my rain poncho). I also had a lightweight pillowcase which I considered a luxury item but it was nice to have it over the nasty looking albergue pillows (the pillow case and sheets were sprayed with permethrin and had no BB problems).
Thanks for all the replies,
Does anyone have any advice about what I should do with my luggage that I'm not taking on the Camino? Right now I'm thinking that I am going to have to trust a friend in Madrid to look after it...
I did something similar on the CF in 2010, and wouldn't do it again. That said, I carried a slightly smaller pack (60li Kathmandu Vardo0) on St Olav's Way in 2012 when I needed to carry five days of food at one point, and needed the extra volume for that.My pack is huge, I bought this last year for going around Europe, and when it was full to the brim of all sorts of useless stuff it was no more than 12kg, and I carried that quite comfortable for long walks trying to locate hostels. Also with another bag on the front of me!! Now I now I will no where near be filling this bag but I decided against buying a new one as when I bought this last year it was full price and I 'know' this bag, its comfortable and I am happy with it.
http://www.craigdonmountainsports.com/lowe-alpine-tfx-nuptse-nd60-75-rucksack
I hiked the Camino starting April 2013. Used poncho after rain came down in sheets between rain jacket and backpack rain cover. I also used fleece often.Thank you for such a detailed reply!
I will definitely add gloves and a beanie to my list.
Would you recommend I bring both a fleece and a rain jacket?
I think I might get a rain jacket and not worry about bringing a poncho
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