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It wasn't last eyar that they were jailed - it was october 2013, and thus they may be out by now. Google "legal defence sprays" to find out what you can use. I got mine from Amazon. I think pepper spray is illegal just about everywhere.Unless you have been very well trained in the use of any type of self defense weapon (spray, knife, club, etc), I would strongly advise that you simply avoid the area in question or to insure you are in a group.
It is very important to note that this type of thing is so rare that everyone on the forum is very surprised. This report is almost a mirror image of one a year or so ago in the same area with the same method. The dirt-bags last year were jailed.
Do not fear walking on any of the Caminos...the VdlP is safer than any city in the world. Use good sense and do not fear.
Weapons, leave at home........now whacking someone with a walking stick is permitted.
extra weight ~Or an umbrella.
You can get some nifty sunscreen sprays now which are UVF 50, clear and have a freezing sensation as they hit the skin. Very easy to use. And I suspect rather nasty if it went in your eyes. I have mine in the side pocket of my daypack. I haven't checked out my proper pack but I have an Aarn so it would go in a front pack.So if you are carrying a pepper spray - illegal or not? I would suppose you would feel the need to carry it in your hand all the time of walking at a perceived 'dangerous' stretch in case a 'situation' came up? - in order to not need to dig it out of your backpack or whatever ...
And then??? - if you met a totally harmless local person using the same path - approaching you from behind or towards you? Would you then immediately take action with your spray ...?
I am kind of flabbergasted here ... - also about the mention of knives ...
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You can get some nifty sunscreen sprays now which are UVF 50, clear and have a freezing sensation as they hit the skin. Very easy to use. And I suspect rather nasty if it went in your eyes. I have mine in the side pocket of my daypack. I haven't checked out my proper pack but I have an Aarn so it would go in a front pack.
I still think that faced with a robber that the best option is to run and I will be wearing my trainers on the Guillena stage. As part of my kata training I theoretically can block a knife attack and then throw my opponent. In reality I would never try that as it is too damn dangerous, and I am too old and slow. I do have a really good death glare on the mat (which NEVER works on my kids) which does make new opponents pause. That and a really assertive solid stride tend to be the most useful things. Plus a few choice Spanish swear words which I plan to learn!
Hi Donna,You can get some nifty sunscreen sprays now which are UVF 50, clear and have a freezing sensation as they hit the skin. Very easy to use. And I suspect rather nasty if it went in your eyes. I have mine in the side pocket of my daypack. I haven't checked out my proper pack but I have an Aarn so it would go in a front pack.
I still think that faced with a robber that the best option is to run and I will be wearing my trainers on the Guillena stage. As part of my kata training I theoretically can block a knife attack and then throw my opponent. In reality I would never try that as it is too damn dangerous, and I am too old and slow. I do have a really good death glare on the mat (which NEVER works on my kids) which does make new opponents pause. That and a really assertive solid stride tend to be the most useful things. Plus a few choice Spanish swear words which I plan to learn!
I have heard at least three incidents, 2012, 2013 and 2015. I would publish your start date in this forum to see who else is starting on the same date, to join you. And when you arrive at the first alberque, talk to others there also to group for the 1st stage.Sif I can't find some pilgrims to walk with should i take the bus to Guillena. This first stretch on Vdlp seems to be the area where the thefts are occurring. Or was 2013 the last theft heard of.
0I have heard at least three incidents, 2012, 2013 and 2015. I would publish your start date in this forum to see who else is starting on the same date, to join you. And when you arrive at the first alberque, talk to others there also to group for the 1st stage.
I agree with you that mugging is more common on vdlp than reported/discussed here. Not everyone on the Camino are members of this forum and most people don't even bother reporting these incidents. We discovered the most recent robbery only by accident when a Canadian pilgrim made reference to it in his video blog.I'm really thinking that some kind of protection is necessary. ...
Use of pepper spray intended for bear spray is illegal because it constitutes excessive use of force.
In what country? Certainly not Spain. Pepper spray is 100% legal to carry in Spain if the amount of concentrated pepper is not over a certain percentage. You can keep it on your belt for quick access. I always have some with me and have thwarted an attack (not on the Camino) just by showing it. I do not recommend a knife.
Its legal to carry it here too. Carrying it is not using it.
Are you implying that it's legal to own and carry pepper spray on your person but illegal to use it in case of being attacked? In your country? Is that the case where you live? That's not the case in Spain where the VDLP is located. In Spain, we can buy it, carry it on our person and spray it in the face of an attacker in the case of self defense. It's not considered excessive force in Spain nor in many other countries.Its legal to carry it here too. Carrying it is not using it.
...or towns, villages or hamlets.Call me stupid but I refuse to worry. We run the same risks all of us who live in cities..
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