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We first saw this abandoned and derelict abbey whilst walking the Camino de Santiago in 2010 and dreamed of fixing it up.
Our plan is to create a not for profit establishment where pilgrims can take refuge under shady oaks from the scorching summer sun. A place where they can relax in hammocks alongside the stream that flows through the garden or sleep out under the stars at night.
We dream of creating a space where the comercialism of the Camino can be held at bay for a little while...
Lovely project, and a dream many pilgrims have when they pass by an abandoned building on the Camino.
This being said, I'm sorry I don't know who you are, who your organisation is? Perhaps I have missed something?
True, but 12kms outside Pamplona way out of Camino. Also "just past Zubiri" (as in avatar) is not close to Labiano...According to their fundraising page, in Labiano, outside of Pamplona. There is also a FBpage: https://www.facebook.com/theabbey.es
Look at this map they have on their FB: https://www.facebook.com/theabbey.e...5666156953135/343486945837722/?type=1&theaterTrue, but 12kms outside Pamplona way out of Camino. Also "just past Zubiri" (as in avatar) is not close to Labiano...
Oh, I see now. That is really on the CaminoLook at this map they have on their FB: https://www.facebook.com/theabbey.e...5666156953135/343486945837722/?type=1&theater
I assume this is the abbey in question.
According to their fundraising page, in Labiano, outside of Pamplona. There is also a FBpage: https://www.facebook.com/theabbey.es
I don't want to underestimate your efforts @The Abbey. lovely idea, but I cant find your location even with Google Maps. Would you be so kind to post exact location, please, because I don't recall the house itself neither the names of the villages in your avatar...
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Thanks @The Abbey , I've figured that outHi there. If you use Google maps and type in the either Ilarratz or Eskirotz you'll see The Abbey situated on the Camino. (NA2336) between the two villages. It's official name is The Abbey of Eskirotz and Ilarratz. (but in Spanish of course)
I kind of know what you're talking about because my father was a construction engineer. And he always responded to my soft spot for old houses that the expenses are to be counted times 3 (at least) in comparison with newly built house. Shame...Thank you. It is beautiful but we have to admit that there have been days whilst slogging away in the snow and the mud in minus five degrees that we've asked ourselves if we've made the right decision? Decades of neglect and five years of abandonment and vandalism have really taken their toll. That said, it's starting to show promise but there are some structural challenges we will need to overcome in the future. Thanks for your interest and kind words. Both are much appreciated.
Oh, yes, do that please. Some individual responses/insights would be welcome since it seems to be just an ideal spot for mending tired pilgrims.I'll drive down there next month and see what I can help you out with.
I kind of know what you're talking about because my father was a construction engineer. And he always responded to my soft spot for old houses that the expenses are to be counted times 3 (at least) in comparison with newly built house. Shame...
If I'm ever to walk Frances again in near future I'll make sure to stop by. Or even come to Spain solely for that pupose! Have faith!!!!!!!!!!
Ultreia!
I waited for someone else to respond before I chimed in. I have walked the CF only twice but I don't remember seeing this structure. So the question is, where is it?
I'll drive down there next month and see what I can help you out with.
I'll be in touch, I need to drive down to SJPdP to get a credential for my walk from Oloron to Logrono so I'll be in the neighborhood in March or April.Thats very kind of you and you will be most welcome. If you let us know when you're coming you can perhaps stay with us in our home in Pamplona. (the abbey isn't habitable at present)
Hola - I was just onto their FB page and it was (as far as I could see) sadly lacking in identification of them and the location of the Abbey. Thanks to the poster above who provided the location - near Pamplona.According to their fundraising page, in Labiano, outside of Pamplona. There is also a FBpage: https://www.facebook.com/theabbey.es
Hola - I was just onto their FB page and it was (as far as I could see) sadly lacking in identification of them and the location of the Abbey. Thanks to the poster above who provided the location - near Pamplona.
Actually I DID look at the "about" section and I did examine all of your photographs. The problem was that the "I " (as in ilarratz) was somewhat indistinct (to my poor old eyes). If I recall there was mention of "down the road from Pamplona" - but it did not say either before or after. I have not found relevant section of the Camino where your Abbey is located and its before Larrasoana - sort of 3 or 4 km (maybe less) - its often difficult to get the distances correct on the Brieley book - I am working off the 2012 edition which does not appear to mention you. So now we ALL know where you are. Great and since I am starting from Pamplona in early Sept I will not get the opportunity to visit. Keep up with the garden clearing and the snow!!It's interesting to see how many people that visit our Facebook page fail to read the 'about' section - which is if you'll pardon me saying is the most obvious place to look for information? And, if you had taken the time to look through our photographs it's also pretty obvious that it's a project being conduct by just two people… but again, the 'about' section explains all this. Also, (and I hate to sounds defensive) every image we post here and on Facebook has 'The Abbey' watermarked on it as well as the names - Ilarratz and Eskirotz… which incidentally also appears here under our name.
For those of us whose Spanish geographical knowledge is mostly based on Camino routes, the following map may be more useful than "close to the city of Pamplona" as it clearly shows Zubirri, Lazarona, and Ilasrratz, especially if pilgrims are the target crowddelivered workers, helpers and visitors.
Someone certainly got off on the wrong side of the bed this week. Why so defensive? Keep in mind that you are asking for money, free workers, and pilgrims to build you private home. And keep in mind that to get that marketing is key. So if the target demographic tells you they don't find it, it doesn't matter how much you huff and puff, your target demographic can't find it. Do you want the donations, workers and clients?
Taking your points, one by one: a) Brierly guide: not mentioned in the elevation map, mentioned on the road map, but only as a yellow dot, except for Esquirotz that gets an extra F for fountain. Page 80 in my edition only reads "From the medieval bridge Puente de la Rabia continue up a concrete path and continue over a stream to climb above the bleak Magnesitas industrial complex and through the hamlets of Osteriz, Illarratz and Esquirroz (F) and covered rest area and along the Agra valley to: '.... and then a number of places are described in detail. 2) Pili Pala Press: "As the factory buildings end, turn right to walk down a flight of steps. Keep straight at a junction, cross a small stream and continue a path paved with flat stones uphill towards the village of Illaratz, which you'll reach in a km. Follow the minor roads to the hamlet of Esquirtoz 1 km away, which has a fountain. On the other side of Esquirtoz ...." . 3) The Eroski site: "Km 2,9. Ilarratz - Ochocientos metros entramos en Eskirotz. Km 3,7. Eskirotz - A escasos dos kilómetros se encuentra Larrasoaña. Pueblo señero de la ruta jacobea, vertebrado por la calle San Nicolás, que debe su origen a la fundación de un monasterio en el siglo X. So while there is a mention of these hamlets, please be so kind as to forgive the poor pilgrim who can only register so much and might remember places with cafes and algergues more than a hamlet you walk through after walking through a horrible factory (which non of us will forget I'm sure, but not in a good way).
There is also a difference between asking a question and questioning. But the more I read the more I question. When I asked in my response to your post if you were a church, group of volonteres, " friends of " I was simply asking a question, because your post did not have a preamble, an introduction. There was no jugement. But to understand better we just had to go to your website where you asked for money, a website that gave an address not on the Camino, as you explain now so well. You now tell us "If you haven't already grasped this, it is to be our family home", well clearly your target audience did not get this in your first post. On purpose? And I am not the one asking for money, or free labour. (I fundraise for a living, so perhaps I have less tolerance for people who ask for money without fully disclosing. They they create mistrust in the public, and rightly so, and then reputable, responsible charities suffer, but that is a whole other topic). Who am I? A 40 something woman who takes off 3 weeks of vacation every year to walk the Caminos, and always for different reasons.
As you said, your private home, so yes, put in the work, and be clear about your agenda when you ask for contributions. Then people can make enlightened decisions. Mind you, with this time of response I can't see people lining up to help you build your business. I think the more you berate your target audience, they few visitors, and workers, you are likely to have. Again, marketing, marketing, marketing.
You're right, I do have a lot of time on my hands. The leave without pay I have take to sit by my dying 87 year old father's bedside in hospital, day in, day out. He will not be resroring anything in his future.I'm afraid I didn't make it past reading the first few lines of your tome… it's obvious you have a lot of time on your hands. Buen Camino Anemone.
You're right, I do have a lot of time on my hands. The leave without pay I have take to sit by my dying 87 year old father's bedside in hospital, day in, day out. He will not be resroring anything in his future.
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