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Of the two, the police are the more important. Dial 112 immediately. They have English support if you need it.I’m going to try and get a photo of them and report them to the police
I am just curious. Has any of the forum members heard of any arrests, prosecutions or convictions of a sexual predator like the deviants in question on this thread?
Where and when?Be assured @RJM that I recall it is through this the members of this forum that at least two perpetrators have been arrested and brought to justice. I provided a statement of an incident in which I was on the receiving end of obscene actions (this man's behaviour later escalated to physical violence) and this together with the statements from others gave the Guardia the evidence to prosecute. It's always worth posting such incidents here as well as informing the local police.
Where and when?
I thought I read in this forum that flashing Itself is not a crime in Spain. Guardia Civil is trying to warn the perpetrators not to do it because it affects the tourism. Isn’t it the case?
I know that there have been many sexual assaults reported during San Fermin, but had not heard of that specific case. Even more disturbing is that those losers self dubbed themselves "the wolf pack". If an attitude of "boys will be boys" does still exist there, let's hope they wake up and take a tougher stance on prosecutions and sentencing in general in all cases.Remember Spain is a very macho country. There are protests going on currently because a group calling themselves the Wolfpack "raped" an eighteen year old girl multiple times. They were charged with sexual abuse not rape. The protests are because of that and because because they are appealing they are being released.
That said, I feel safe because the police are patrolling the Camino, I just returned and saw this many times.
I think I would just point and laugh out loud for the purposes of humiliating them...
@Bob from L.A. ! Of the many women on this forum, I would guess that a significant percentage have, at some point in their lives had experiences of this kind and worse. When alone, off the road in a remote area and a visitor to a country whose language you are still struggling with, pointing and laughing might result in something more dangerous than the perpetrator's humiliation. Such acts are designed to gain power, sexual or otherwise, from observing the discomfort caused to women and are another form of abuse and violation of the person. They are criminal acts and needs to be reported to the Guardia. We know from personal experiences shared on this forum that so called 'harmless' flashing can easily escalate to more directly violent acts.
I haven’t read any examples on this forum of flashing escalating into more directly violent acts. Can you point those out to me?
@Bob from L.A. ! Of the many women on this forum, I would guess that a significant percentage have, at some point in their lives had experiences of this kind and worse. When alone, off the road in a remote area and a visitor to a country whose language you are still struggling with, pointing and laughing might result in something more dangerous than the perpetrator's humiliation. Such acts are designed to gain power, sexual or otherwise, from observing the discomfort caused to women and are another form of abuse and violation of the person. They are criminal acts and needs to be reported to the Guardia. We know from personal experiences shared on this forum that so called 'harmless' flashing can easily escalate to more directly violent acts.
Well yeah of course, but there is no way those deviants would ever do that deliberately in a male's presence. That could possibly lead to a very painful lesson in manners and etiquette. One they would not forget for years to come.I, not being a female, would still point and laugh........
Well yeah of course, but their is no way those deviants would ever do that deliberately in a male's presence. That could possibly lead to a very painful lesson in manners and etiquette. One they would not forget for years to come.
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@Anniesantiago I do hope this is not a rhetorical question as the subject matter is too serious for being reduced to matters of mere pedantry. My encounter with a man in Castrojerez involved what started out as a normal friendly encounter, then moved on to signalled obscenities concluding with him waggling his penis (albeit still in his trousers) at me, grabbing me and suggesting I would be receptive to the gesture. This man subsequently - on the same day I believe - pushed a Swiss pilgrim to the ground when she objected to his very physically expressed advances. He then went on to violently assault a German pilgrim, and that is what finally led to his arrest. I am surprised and disturbed by the various implicit challenges made on this forum to the content of posts by women who have experienced or witnessed such assaults and who have, as in my case, assisted the Guardia in mounting a prosecution. Harassment, abuse, intimidation, are all assaults, and yes this can happen anywhere. As is repeatedly emphasised, the Camino is no idyllic space free from the bad stuff that happens in our home towns and villages. My experience in Castrojerez didn't make me afraid, just very angry that a restful lunch. The town is a beautiful place with friendly folk who just before had proudly taken me on a conducted tour of their newly-opened exhibition space. This positive experience had been hijacked by a man who had no respect for woman. At the time I didn't think it worth reporting to the police, it was only later when I heard from the Swiss pilgrim what had happened to her and two years later read of the German pilgrim's experience that I regretted my inaction. I am grateful for the assistance of the hospitalero at an albergue in Castrojerez who facilitated the contact with the Guardia from the UK. If I had acted on the day perhaps the German pilgrim wouldn't have had the experience she did.
Not true. I was flashed after Puente la Reina a few years ago!there is no way those deviants would ever do that deliberately in a male's presence.
@Anniesantiago I do hope this is not a rhetorical question as the subject matter is too serious for being reduced to matters of mere pedantry. My encounter with a man in Castrojerez involved what started out as a normal friendly encounter, then moved on to signalled obscenities concluding with him waggling his penis (albeit still in his trousers) at me, grabbing me and suggesting I would be receptive to the gesture. This man subsequently - on the same day I believe - pushed a Swiss pilgrim to the ground when she objected to his very physically expressed advances. He then went on to violently assault a German pilgrim, and that is what finally led to his arrest. I am surprised and disturbed by the various implicit challenges made on this forum to the content of posts by women who have experienced or witnessed such assaults and who have, as in my case, assisted the Guardia in mounting a prosecution. Harassment, abuse, intimidation, are all assaults, and yes this can happen anywhere. As is repeatedly emphasised, the Camino is no idyllic space free from the bad stuff that happens in our home towns and villages. My experience in Castrojerez didn't make me afraid, just very angry that a restful lunch. The town is a beautiful place with friendly folk who just before had proudly taken me on a conducted tour of their newly-opened exhibition space. This positive experience had been hijacked by a man who had no respect for woman. At the time I didn't think it worth reporting to the police, it was only later when I heard from the Swiss pilgrim what had happened to her and two years later read of the German pilgrim's experience that I regretted my inaction. I am grateful for the assistance of the hospitalero at an albergue in Castrojerez who facilitated the contact with the Guardia from the UK. If I had acted on the day perhaps the German pilgrim wouldn't have had the experience she did.
Really....I am sorry you had to experience that, but at the same time, and I do not want to make light of it, I want to laugh that a man flashed another man.Not true. I was flashed after Puente la Reina a few years ago!Don't expect rational from the irrational.
I’m dying “Irish Hobbit”No worries everyone, i am personally protected by an Irish hobbit and an Austrian giant. Planning to report it once I get exact location. I saw in past threads there were two men near cobreces a few months back doing the same. My guess is it’s the same guys. I’m determined to do something about it. Meanwhile I’m trying to spread the word to those walking this way now to prevent further harm.
I, not being a female, would still point and laugh........
You, not being a female, have the luxury to attempt to humiliate and not the terrifying realization that this could escalate, very quickly, into something far more dangerous.
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