- Time of past OR future Camino
- Some in the past; more in the future!
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I vote for, Meseta-Burgos-León.
I’m a fan of the Meseta.
Thank you, it has certainly done that! So much to digest here.this is just for starters to stir the pot a bit.
'Fraid soIs this going to be in addition to the Vdlp/Mozárabe in the spring? If so, my only reaction is NO FAIR.
So a quick look at the Vadiniense suggests that it's quite a mountainous route. I'm sure it's beautiful, but if I were walking the Salvador as part of the same trip, would the Vadiniense offer enough variety or are the landscapes similar?I know absolutely nothing about the Vadiniense, so I'd better go and look that up!
Meseta lovers -- oh, yes! Surprised how many pilgrims groan and roll their eyes at "meseta"- and hey, that's fine! One fine April morning I turned a corner and saw its vast open emptiness of land and sky meeting in harmony and it had me a "hola!".I’m a fan of the Meseta. I haven’t walked in the fall but have been there in late February and early March. There is no better section to find your Zen. As nycwalking points out it is book ended by two of the great Camino cities/Cathedrals. For me it doesn’t get any better.
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You're getting there! Not sure I'm convinced yet though, as I feel there are others that should be higher priorities. But I'm sure I'll flip-flop between various ideas quite a few times between now and next September!Would the romanesque church of Santa María de Lebeña, the monastery/church in Gradefes, and a visit to San Miguel de la Escalada help spark interest?
I might be mellowing a bit on that subject in my old age!I did a thread on my stages, I’m sure, but I think there are pictures in it so you would have to avert your eyes.
I’m a fan of the Meseta. I haven’t walked in the fall but have been there in late February and early March. There is no better section to find your Zen. As nycwalking points out it is book ended by two of the great Camino cities/Cathedrals. For me it doesn’t get any better.
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I had only walked spring caminos until walking the CP from Lisbon this fall (starting 1 Sep in Lisbon). I thought the weather/season was great: we saw the harvesting of tomatoes (industrially), grapes (locally) and figs (by us picking them off trees!). We had only 2-3 days of rain out of 32 days, and while it was hot at the beginning (maxes of around 35 degrees Celsius for nearly two weeks), that also meant blue skies and sunshine, and the hottest part of the day was around 4pm, usually well after we had stopped walking. The CP from Lisbon also ticks the 'not too short' box, so could that be an option?I find myself also asking where I can walk in the fall: so far, no answer. After four lengthy autumn caminos, I don't know where to go next. It seems clear that I shall not be able to walk before autumn, when I expect to have been vaccinated against Covid 19 and to be too eager to wait any longer. I would really like a sunnier pilgrimage route than late autumn, preferably not as hot as the VdlP and not as rainy as last fall's Invierno. And it must not be too short: I have already missed one year of the few that I expect to have left to walk caminos. At the moment, I am learning to walk again, but the question remains, "Where?' Any ideas?
Wendy has tours to lead from mid-Sep to late-Oct so if they run, that gives me some time to walk.
More ideas, just what I need!!Stop the presses! Why didn’t I think of this earlier?! Probably my favorite camino combo to date — I think the Olvidado/Invierno (Bilbao-Ponferrada-Santiago) combination would be a great idea, or the Viejo from Pamplona to Aguilar de Campoo where it merges with the Olvidado. VN had a great detailed, picture-laden, planning thread of the Viejo, which is just full of the kind of architecture you love. The Olvidado maybe not so much, but it is one of my favorite caminos. Lots of threads with info. @alansykes was there in fall.
The first part of the Olvidado, about a week from Bilbao to Aguilar, is not the most spectacular by any means, though it is all a really wonderful camino. And lots of pavement walking at the beginning too. So Viejo from Pamplona to connect with the best of the Olvidado is what I hope to try, whenever that may be. I walked the Olvidado once from Bilbao, and then last year (was it ONLY last year!!!) I started in Irún on the Vasco Interior and hopped a bla bla car from Santo Domingo de la Calzada up to Aguilar.the Viejo option adds a new element to it that could take it over the top.
That was going to be my next question as I don't like to 'miss out' on parts of individual routes, but if the best of the Olvidado is later on, that makes this option even more compelling.The first part of the Olvidado, about a week from Bilbao to Aguilar, is not the most spectacular by any means, though it is all a really wonderful camino. And lots of pavement walking at the beginning too. So Viejo from Pamplona to connect with the best of the Olvidado is what I hope to try, whenever that may be.
Well, now I am going back to VN’s Viejo Detailed Planning thread and seeing that there are oh so many options for slight detours to get to ancient churches, dolmens, etc. I don’t really know how you feel about deep dive planning, @jungleboy, but if you read through that thread you will see that there are several/many instances in which you would probably need to do some careful planning to incorporate detours to some of these sites. They would not be immediately obvious from the main route, and accommodations are also not the easiest, I think. But this is rekindling my hope that I too will be able to walk this route, the sooner the better.That was going to be my next question as I don't like to 'miss out' on parts of individual routes, but if the best of the Olvidado is later on, that makes this option even more compelling.
Looking back at my notes and pictures from my 2014 Olvidado, and just focusing on ancient sites between Bilbao and Aguilar, you would miss out onI don't like to 'miss out' on parts of individual routes,
Thank you, much appreciated! These places sound interesting but if there are better sites to be seen (with planningLooking back at my notes and pictures from my 2014 Olvidado, and just focusing on ancient sites between Bilbao and Aguilar, you would miss out on
— the really beautiful romanesque churches in Siones and Vallejo, which require a 3 km loop from Villasana de Mena, which is itself a slight detour off the route, which you take at Nava de Ordunte. But they are really something.
— a walk through Ojo Guareña, which deserves more attention than we gave as we just walked through, but we did see some interesting anthropomorphic tombs from the 6th-7th century (but there are some more right on the camino a few kms after Aguilar).
- Roman ruins of Juliobriga — probably not on anyone’s 5 star must see list, but I know you are particularly interested in this period.
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