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Thank you, I did consider that option but I figured if other people can manage it why not me ?Stop at Valcarlos. Enjoy a pleasant 1st Albergue, risk a cerveza and an evening meal. Sleep well. And on the following day it will all seem a bit less scary. And after a week it will seem hardly scary at all. And after 4 weeks be sure to remember that though you are a confident peregrina there are souls on the road that need your help and reassurance.
Buen camino
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
You are obviously knowledgeable. Would I get this information from a map ? Do I get a map from my starting point ?Kaen:
Tincatinker is giving you great advice.
Walking the Valcarlos (11 km's) route versus Napoleon does not say anything about your capability. It just breaks the first difficult day into two smaller days. You could also stop in Orisson (8 km's) and continue on the Napoleon route. Both finish in Roncesvalles.
Ultreya,
Joe
You are obviously knowledgeable. Would I get this information from a map ? Do I get a map from my starting point ?
Hi there, when are you travelling? I'm also planning to walk solo from SJDP.I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
Hi Jenny. I only decided to do the Camino last weekend!! I'm now in the planning and organising stage and trying to gain as much insight as I can.Hi there, when are you travelling? I'm also planning to walk solo from SJDP.
It's not a race!! relax and ENJOY it! do not start off like a greyhound out of the trap, take time to look at the scenery and before you know it you will be looking down the hill at Roncesvalle! - and dont forget, more people have accidents going down hill than going up! so that is the time to concentrate, especially when you are tired! Buen CaminoI'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
the movie makes it seem remote but you are on road for half the ascent and you never lose sight of the trail afterward...i think splitting day one is a great idea. i stayed at orisson and was much better for it. those 8km up to that point were a doubter starter but after a great meal and sleep the rest was good! plus you get to roncevelles around 2 well ahead of the next days throngs..
I walked the Camino Frances last June and I will remember that first day for the rest of my life. It was exhilarating and exhausting at the same time but worth all the effort. Never so tired by the time I reached Roncevalles. The journey to Santiago was one that changed me and I can't wait to go back.Karen, for many the first day will indeed be one of the most physically arduous of the Camino Frances. It certainly was for me, as someone who walked the Napolean route to Roncesvalles with limited training.
I found the stretch from St Jean to Orisson particularly demanding, and had to stop every now and then to take a breather before continuing. But continue I did. Once I reached Orisson and continued with others, I found the rest of the hike to Lepoeder much more manageable, dare I say even enjoyable. The scenery along the way is spectacular and you will have plenty of company, be they fellow pilgrims, horses, and goats.
As the saying goes, 'what goes up must come down'. The view from the top looking down at Roncesvalles and Spain lying below in the valley was a particular favourite of mine. I wished that descent walk through the woods could have lasted forever.
I think I enjoyed it so much because I was worried beforehand about my ability to hike uphill stages. I hated the thought of walking uphill, actually still do, but overcoming that obstacle (a mental one as much as physical) was liberating for me and a great confidence boost for every day's walking after that.
Without knowing your preparation or fitness levels, I would say to 'go for it'. Leave early and take your time, take rests when required, use those rest times to chat to others. Walking with others can be easier on days like the first one when we are naturally less confident of our esteem levels. Try and get as much uphill walking as you can get before now and the time you go. Every bit will help. If you have an extra day in St Jean, walk the first hill outside town a few times. I did, up and down five times, and it helped to some small degree the following morning.
By way of reference, I left St Jean at 6.30am and arrived at Orisson just after 8.45am. Reached the highest point at 1pm, and after taking our time to have a picnic in the woods, reached Roncesvalles before 3.00pm. Eight to eight and a half hours duration in total, we could have done it in seven and a half if pushed.
That first day was my favourite stage by far, for many reasons. It was a bit of an emotional roller-coaster, but so too is the Camino. I still struggled on the subsequent uphill stages (Castrojeriz, O Ceibeiro) but nowhere near to the same extent. By then I had 'found my legs' and there was no stopping me. I never felt the same euphoria of making it to the top like I did that day on the Pyrennes. I had to wait until arriving into Santiago to re-discover the same degree of satisfaction.
Take note of the weather conditions before you decide anything. We walked in August when the weather wasn't really a factor. Good luck in whatever decision you make. The first few days of the Camino can be daunting in general. The scale of it all seems almost too much to comprehend. Break it down instead into short, realistic goals. First to Orisson, then Roncesvalles, re-access over a cerveza and off you go again. Before you know it, it will all seem to be going by too quick and you will want to slow everything down again. Buen camino.
I love that movie, "The Way", but it just a movie. Not a realistic walking of the Camino Frances. I have no idea why the character of the son would have wandered over to a deep ravine and thought it looked like a good place to walk into.Thank you, I did consider that option but I figured if other people can manage it why not me ?
Probably because I've just watched " The Way " and thought it looked more remote and dangerous than other sections !!
Thank you for your reply, I'm only in the planning stages and still debating with myself whether to do 800km from Sjdp or just to do the Ingles as it's much shorter and easier as a start as a Camino newbee!! I also intend to continue to Muxia if I can still walk !!
Especially since all the main characters wear jeans! How in the world do they get those dry after washing?I love that movie, "The Way", but it just a movie. Not a realistic walking of the Camino Frances.
I haven't seen the film and I am not going to. I wish people would stop going on about it frankly.Especially since all the main characters wear jeans! How in the world do they get those dry after washing?
blue jeans, big, heavy sleeping bags, cotton sweatshirts, heavy jackets, etc ha haEspecially since all the main characters wear jeans! How in the world do they get those dry after washing?
When we were there (2012) it was quite early maybe around 6.30p.m.James:
Since you have been to Orisson, what time did they serve dinner?
Joe
Oh, it's a pretty good little movie. Low budget. Independent. Pure entertainment, no doubt, and not to be taken as an instructional film. I got no ill will towards it, and would probably watch it again just for S&G....I haven't seen the film and I am not going to. I wish people would stop going on about it frankly.
I remember her exact words: 'Chips chips with everything and swimming in oil. Here you will have real cooking'Oh bless. I hope she does. The camino should be full of discoveries and the mendacity of the perfidious French should be the first. (OK, I'll go and award myself some points for that one)
Thats what I meant. Typical attempt at seduction...
Does anyone know how I can book a bed at Orisson?
i think 6:30...kayota (their sister hostel about a km before you get to orisson) joins the group as well so about 50ppl...it was well done and these are the people you will meet all through your journeyJames:
Since you have been to Orisson, what time did they serve dinner?
Joe
6 ways to santiago is the true documentaryI haven't seen the film and I am not going to. I wish people would stop going on about it frankly.
yeah, but even that has obvious takes and retakes and shots that are planned...6 ways to santiago is the true documentary
i hear ya..but they were real pilgrims..with real problems and successesyeah, but even that has obvious takes and retakes and shots that are planned...
nobody is going to act like they normally do with a cameraman and a sound-man on their six....
god forbid they start a drone war for "real footage"yeah, but even that has obvious takes and retakes and shots that are planned...
nobody is going to act like they normally do with a cameraman and a sound-man on their six....
If they haven't already, I'm sure there are pilgrims hauling around drones to get footage for their homemade videos for youtube.god forbid they start a drone war for "real footage"
well get a hold of that "bird watching " lady...lolIf they haven't already, I'm sure there are pilgrims hauling around drones to get footage for their homemade videos for youtube.
If they haven't already, I'm sure there are pilgrims hauling around drones to get footage for their homemade videos for youtube.
I am planning to start early September. Getting there is a test as well. Coming from Australia. Thinking I'll fly to Paris and catch trains to SJDP. Need to work on fitness and learn some Spanish before then. Think I have most of my gear.Hi Jenny. I only decided to do the Camino last weekend!! I'm now in the planning and organising stage and trying to gain as much insight as I can.
I'm also aware that I need to start training as my fitness levels need to increase dramatically !!
I'm thinking either June or perhaps September to avoid the temperatures in July and August.
The first big test is getting from where I live in the north of England to Sjdp !! So far I think I need 2 flights, a bus and then a train.
How about you? Where are you coming from and when are you thinking of starting?
Thank you, I did consider that option but I figured if other people can manage it why not me ?
Probably because I've just watched " The Way " and thought it looked more remote and dangerous than other sections !!
Thank you for your reply, I'm only in the planning stages and still debating with myself whether to do 800km from Sjdp or just to do the Ingles as it's much shorter and easier as a start as a Camino newbee!! I also intend to continue to Muxia if I can still walk !!
Another alternative is to fly to Barcelona, then train to Pamplona then bus to SJPP. That's what I am doing and it's all easy peas.I am planning to start early September. Getting there is a test as well. Coming from Australia. Thinking I'll fly to Paris and catch trains to SJDP. Need to work on fitness and learn some Spanish before then. Think I have most of my gear.
Did any of this help at all? I think we all hope that you believe in yourself and take the journey. Bueno Camino and God Bless whatever your choice is!I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
6 ways to santiago is the true documentary
I haven't seen the film and I am not going to. I wish people would stop going on about it frankly.
@Robo 'That Film' came out 3 years after I walked the French Way, my mom watched it and chattered on about it, so that put me off! And now I am a bit freaked to walk the French Way again, worried that it is touristy and crowded and spoiled. I don't want a Disney version of what I experienced before.
When I walked it in 2007, I hadn't watched any films or videos, or read anyone's blog, or any books, I just heard about it from my friend Marta, joined this forum a month before and bought John Brierley's book. I didn't reserve any accommodation apart from L'Esprit du Chemin in SJPP (not even Orisson or in Santiago). I left my mobile phone at home, with a message on it saying 'email me'. I had no preconceptions or ideas at all, I just let it unfold. Now it's like people have lived it five times before they have even left the house, I don't know, that makes me a bit sad somehow.
Please let me know what train you take, rout ect, I'm planing from Australia but my biggest question is how do you get there to start. Do I fly to Barcelona ? Madrid? London? Paris? And then from either of those do I train- bus- taxi.I am planning to start early September. Getting there is a test as well. Coming from Australia. Thinking I'll fly to Paris and catch trains to SJDP. Need to work on fitness and learn some Spanish before then. Think I have most of my gear.
Stop at Orrison. Break the first day up.I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
Karen, lots of us walk, have walked, will walk via Valcarlos; loads more walk the famed Napoleon route, most without a stop at the proclaimed Orisson. Some walk from their front doors: a bit easier if you live in Pamplona or Dusseldorf than Wolverhampton
Walking the camino, any camino, from anywhere, to Santiago is as easy or as hard as we ourselves choose to make it. Walking to the end is easy too - then you have to face the hard bit or just turn around and walk home.
You will find a wealth of information and debate on this forum, you might find www.gronze.com a good source for an overview of all the major caminos and also lots of information on accommodation etc.
And I guarantee that if you start walking from an obscure little town in southern France by the time you get to Santiago the last little bit to Muxia will be a doddle.
Karen, lots of us walk, have walked, will walk via Valcarlos; loads more walk the famed Napoleon route, most without a stop at the proclaimed Orisson. Some walk from their front doors: a bit easier if you live in Pamplona or Dusseldorf than Wolverhampton
Walking the camino, any camino, from anywhere, to Santiago is as easy or as hard as we ourselves choose to make it. Walking to the end is easy too - then you have to face the hard bit or just turn around and walk home.
You will find a wealth of information and debate on this forum, you might find www.gronze.com a good source for an overview of all the major caminos and also lots of information on accommodation etc.
And I guarantee that if you start walking from an obscure little town in southern France by the time you get to Santiago the last little bit to Muxia will be a doddle.
Hi, I think you will be fine on the Napoleon route as long as you stop at Orrison the first night. You will have a wonderful communal meal there so there will be plenty of opportunity to get to know your fellow pilgrims.I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
I am coming from aus as well. flying to Barcelona, train that day to Pamplona, next morning bus to SJDP and walk that day to orison. no plans after that lolI am planning to start early September. Getting there is a test as well. Coming from Australia. Thinking I'll fly to Paris and catch trains to SJDP. Need to work on fitness and learn some Spanish before then. Think I have most of my gear.
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
Hi Karen, I made my first solo female pilgrimage in 2010 and I was scared on the first day as I arrived late moring due to train and bus strike from Paris. Anyway I think I started around 12 or 1 pm and walked to ValCarlos and reached the Alberque around 4 to 5 pm. Only 1 couple form Ireland was there and we had dinner together. I was okay and started my second day walk to Roncesvalles. You will always meet pilgrims on the way and they are very encouraging knowing that I was travelling alone. So keep the courage going. All will be fine. I hope to do the Portuguese Route this September 2017 this time with my husband.I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
Hi there. When are you travelling? I haven't booked flights yet but thinking I'll fly to Paris and then 2 trains to SJDP.Please let me know what train you take, rout ect, I'm planing from Australia but my biggest question is how do you get there to start. Do I fly to Barcelona ? Madrid? London? Paris? And then from either of those do I train- bus- taxi.
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
the Camino has different meanings to different folks, movie, no movie, videos, no videos, books, no books, My Camino was just as exciting to me and just as meaningful , as yours was to you@Robo 'That Film' came out 3 years after I walked the French Way, my mom watched it and chattered on about it, so that put me off! And now I am a bit freaked to walk the French Way again, worried that it is touristy and crowded and spoiled. I don't want a Disney version of what I experienced before.
When I walked it in 2007, I hadn't watched any films or videos, or read anyone's blog, or any books, I just heard about it from my friend Marta, joined this forum a month before and bought John Brierley's book. I didn't reserve any accommodation apart from L'Esprit du Chemin in SJPP (not even Orisson or in Santiago). I left my mobile phone at home, with a message on it saying 'email me'. I had no preconceptions or ideas at all, I just let it unfold. Now it's like people have lived it five times before they have even left the house, I don't know, that makes me a bit sad somehow.
A few words of advice ... It is not a raceI'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
I'm taking it all in, reading and re reading and writing notes ! Do you get a new map for the next day at each pilgrim office or stopping place ?Did any of this help at all? I think we all hope that you believe in yourself and take the journey. Bueno Camino and God Bless whatever your choice is!
I'm taking it all in, reading and re reading and writing notes ! Do you get a new map for the next day at each pilgrim office or stopping place ?
I'm taking it all in, reading and re reading and writing notes ! Do you get a new map for the next day at each pilgrim office or stopping place ?
I think that's what I meant really. I was wondering how I would know where the next stopping place would be and what accommodation is available and how far away it is. What if it's full ? How do I know what else is available and where is it ?Hi Karen, Firstly you don't really need a map. You really don't. Imagine walking along a lovely forest path, or a gravel footpath between fields of crops, with people ahead of you and behind you, with bright yellow arrows painted on trees and rocks at any point you might wonder which way you should go
You learn very quickly to scan the way ahead for arrows without even thinking about it. Particularly at junctions...
But a map is useful, if only to know what villages are coming up next, how far to the next coffee stop, what sites of interest are along the way, how many kms till my destination........ None of this requires a 'detailed' map. I sometimes used google maps, just to look to see where the next coffee stop might be. Will I stop for a rest under this tree, or at the next village? Those kind of tough decisions
So the maps in guidebooks are more than enough, even though they are really just sketch maps. Like many I use the Brierley Guide. But rather than carry the actual book, I scanned into a pdf format and carried it on my phone. A bit paranoid about weightOthers pull out the introductory pages and ditch pages as they go......
I actually carried the cover of the book. It has a nice fold out set of stage maps. I would look at this each night to see what towns and villages I would be passing through and it gave me an idea of where I might want to stop the next day.
You won't get lost, don't worry
Karen,
Are you traveling by car? What transport arrives in Bayonne at 4 am?
Once in SJPdP it is easy to get your Pilgrim Passport/Credential at the Pilgrim Office located on the camino at 39 rue de La Citadelle.
The office is open every day and in season from early in the morning until late atnight ie after the arrival of the last bus/train. The helpful multi-lingual volunteers can provide you with a Credential and stamp if needed, as well as a list of major albergues and current weather/ trail conditions. They can also help locate a bed/bunk for the night. Most importantly the office is a great spot to meet/ greet other pilgrims. ...Do plan to stop and chat
No, but there will be a train/bus later in the morning.Should I be able to get a train to SJPP at that time in the morning?
Thanks mspath,
I will be arriving from the uk by coach into Bayonne at 4am
Should I be able to get a train to SJPP at that time in the morning?
Thank you for all the information
I love that movie, "The Way", but it just a movie. Not a realistic walking of the Camino Frances. I have no idea why the character of the son would have wandered over to a deep ravine and thought it looked like a good place to walk into.
I've posted this video on here before, and I'll post it again. The first day over the Pyrenees via the Napoleon. As you can see, not bad at all. Lotta improved roadway you walk on. Ultreia.
I figure if someone wants to gauge the steepness all they have to do is look at the graph in a guidebook or on that sheet you get from the pilgrim's office, and apply that to principles of motion. It requires more energy to move an object (say, like a pilgrim) uphill than it does moving it on a flat surface. Also, said object will want to move faster downhill, so it takes additional energy to slow it down (thus the strain on knees and feet).Thanks for posting that -- as one of those old folks who gets dizzy with the fast pace, I lowered the speed and then had to turn off the music since it sounded like it was on a broken record player (yes I grew up with record players).
But more seriously, I was struck by the fact that the video didn't really capture the dramatic differences in steepness. I've never taken pictures that give a good idea of how steep a trail is, and I thought that maybe the sequence of frames would do that. But I remember that the steepest ascent was right upon leaving SJPP and the steepest descent was right before Roncesvalles, but the video didn't create a different impression for me on those features. Is there a better speed to run it at to see that, or is this just a problem with still frames, whether they are superimposed on each other or not? Thanks!
Not for a year but still feel confused on how best to get to sjdp from Australia ( fly Barcelona , London , Paris ect)Hi there. When are you travelling? I haven't booked flights yet but thinking I'll fly to Paris and then 2 trains to SJDP.
Not for a year but still feel confused on how best to get to sjdp from Australia ( fly Barcelona , London , Paris ect)
I am coming for Tucson Arizona - will spend my first evening in Bayonne, near the airport. The next morn I take the train to SJPP where I am spending 2 nights to get my body and mind ready to start the journey.I think that's what I meant really. I was wondering how I would know where the next stopping place would be and what accommodation is available and how far away it is. What if it's full ? How do I know what else is available and where is it ?
I think this is my biggest worry is finding a bed every night !!
I'm sure after a few days I'll get the hang of it but at the start it's daunting.
Looking into my travel arrangements I may arrive in Bayonne at 4am. Any advice ?
I'm too late or too early to check in anywhere. Maybe get to SJPP and spend the first day/night in a hotel as I'll be tired after the journey?
Sorry for the million questions but do I get my pilgrim's passport in SJPP or should I try and get one before I arrive ?
Thank you so much for taking the time, I really appreciate any help and advice I can get.
Thanks so much. I am leaning towards the flight to Paris and then trains to St Jean. Jet lag doesn't sound fun at all. Any tips for lessening the impact or is it just something we have to deal with?Hi Marie,
I too pondered which way to get to St Jean (from Sydney)
There are two commonly accepted ways of doing it. Both about the same travel time. (there are other options too of course)
Fly into Madrid. Train to Pamplona. Bus or taxi to St Jean.
Fly into Paris. Train to Bayonne, train to St Jean. (I did this first time and will do this way next year)
Flights from Australia to Paris 'may' be easier to find than to Madrid.......
Whatever you decide, a night in Madrid / Paris is a good way to start getting over the jet lag. Then a night in St Jean before you start perhaps.
Thanks so much. I am leaning towards the flight to Paris and then trains to St Jean. Jet lag doesn't sound fun at all. Any tips for lessening the impact or is it just something we have to deal with?
Cheers
Janny
Re jet lag - live clean, minimal alcohol, LOTS of water and good nutrition on the days leading up to the trip. Stay up as late as possible upon arrival. Think of it like post-workout stretching. Try to go to bed the first night as close to when your new location go to bed. Then don't sleep in too late - try to arise when others do. I am spending 3 nights in France before I step onto the Camino, probably a little excessive but want to be sure my pack is sorted, I am provisioned properly and on the local clock fully before making for Roncevalles.Thanks so much. I am leaning towards the flight to Paris and then trains to St Jean. Jet lag doesn't sound fun at all. Any tips for lessening the impact or is it just something we have to deal with?
Cheers
Janny
Thank you so muchHi Marie,
I too pondered which way to get to St Jean (from Sydney)
There are two commonly accepted ways of doing it. Both about the same travel time. (there are other options too of course)
Fly into Madrid. Train to Pamplona. Bus or taxi to St Jean.
Fly into Paris. Train to Bayonne, train to St Jean. (I did this first time and will do this way next year)
Flights from Australia to Paris 'may' be easier to find than to Madrid.......
Whatever you decide, a night in Madrid / Paris is a good way to start getting over the jet lag. Then a night in St Jean before you start perhaps.
Hi Karen,
First, being female is not a concern worth any worry time on the Camino. It seems that all other Peregrinos will be watching out for you and that is a very heartening feeling.
I'm planning my first Camino adventure soon but as a solo female traveller with little experience the first day walking seems quite long, daunting and scary walking through the Pyrenees. As I understand "go slower at the start until you find your legs" this seems a big challenge on day 1.
Any words of advice friends?
The trip over the Napolean was my favorite day of the whole Camino. The clouds that I started walking in after leaving Orrisson sank into the valleys below, and the views were amazing, with rainbows here and there to frame them. I am not in the best shape, so I opted for a night in Orisson, which gets about half of the climbing out of the way, then provides an amazing meal, comraderie, and a head start the next day up the hill. And that's all it really is, a hill, much of it on a lovely mountain road, with cows and horses to keep you company (and a guy with a food truck selling snacks and sodas at the top). Just take as long as you need and relax, if an overweight out of shape 62 year old can do it, you can too. We will be doing the Frances again in early fall, and I wouldn't miss that morning for anything.
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