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Do as I, check your backpack in and it go in the cargohole and you have no problem at all. Wish you all well, Peter.
It is NOT just small regional jets in Europe. It happens in North America too. I fly regional jets about a half dozen times a year. The currently approved carry on bag is too large to fit in the overhead compartments on some fo those planes. I just check my bag each time I fly and I have a SMALL carry on that will fit the overhead. It is not a real hassle to check luggage.This new bag size limitation is on "pause" for now according to the IATA. http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2015/06/18/carry-on-baggage-size/28915431/
Most pilgrims bring way too big of a pack to begin (myself included) with and think they are entitled to carry on their pack. Don't be surprised if you fly a small regional jet in Europe, when I checked in, the airline had me check my pack at no extra cost, when we got to the gate, everybody else had to gate check their bags and packs.
Even if your pack fits in the "bag check tester" you still might have check it in.
I completely agree that it's not that big a deal to have a bag lost - if one is heading home, or is going to be staying put in one place - but such is not the case when one is going on Camino. People spend months - years sometimes - planning their Camino and working it into their busy lives, and I can quite understand if they don't want to risk having their Camino messed up if their pack doesn't arrive at their start-of-Camino destination when they do.It is NOT just small regional jets in Europe. It happens in North America too. I fly regional jets about a half dozen times a year. The currently approved carry on bag is too large to fit in the overhead compartments on some fo those planes. I just check my bag each time I fly and I have a SMALL carry on that will fit the overhead. It is not a real hassle to check luggage.
As for those who are too scared to check your packs, I'm a 2-Million mile member of American Airlines, also a member of British Airways and United Airlines frequent flyer clubs. I've had 1 bag lost 1 time. It was delivered to my house the next morning. Its not that big of a deal.
Scruffy, that has been my complaint for as long as I have been flying…..I completely agree, however habits of years and years must now perhaps be changed and life will not be easy. My worst complaint? Those who egotistically place their baggage as they enter the plane and then walk all the way back to be seated leaving those in the front seats with no place to put their own bags.
Oh I understand.I completely agree that it's not that big a deal to have a bag lost - if one is heading home, or is going to be staying put in one place - but such is not the case when one is going on Camino. People spend months - years sometimes - planning their Camino and working it into their busy lives, and I can quite understand if they don't want to risk having their Camino messed up if their pack doesn't arrive at their start-of-Camino destination when they do.
And I've been blissfully unaware all these years that oafs like this even existed ...Scruffy, that has been my complaint for as long as I have been flying…..
.......Last time I checked, the Camino is about the journey, overcoming the hardships, pushing through the issues of the mind, the pains of the body and struggling with personal demons. Temporarily lost luggage may only be a small inconvenience in the entire journey. Offer up your suffering, it will come back to you in some positive way.
I'm torn. I don't like such behavior for the same reasons....and see it as directly conneted to a larger pattern of people being self minded in travel. BUT the charges for baggage underneath have become so ridiculous in the past ten years that I also have sympathyNot bad news at all.
As a frequent flyer I am constantly inconvenienced by people who break the rules and bring on oversize bags, or bring on a purse + a sack + a small rolling bag.
There are rules, people refuse to follow them. Hopefully this new rule will actually be enforced and courteous passengers will no longer be inconvenienced.
In June the International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents members of the airline industry, put forth industrywide guidelines for cabin baggage on aircraft with 120 or more seats.
The new preferred bag size, the group said, would be 21.5 by 13.5 by 7.5 inches, smaller than the common 22-by-14 by-9-inch bags many passengers have. So much for that generously sized bag you were thinking of buying for your European adventure. A number of major international airlines expressed interest in the initiative, including the German carrier Lufthansa. Soon travelers would be able to buy these smaller carry-on bags, which would come with an “IATA Cabin OK” logo, recognizable by the airline staff during the boarding process. And wouldn’t you know it, the association said it would not make Cabin OK logo tags available to travelers with bags that already meet the guidelines. Consumers would have to shell out for new bags if they want the Cabin OK designation.
Buying the bags would be voluntary, the association said. But passengers who choose not to get the new luggage could face uncertainty as to whether their bag would remain onboard a participating airline if the overhead bins were full. That’s because OK Cabin bags would theoretically be given priority to stay onboard in the event that not all carry-on bags could be accommodated.
NY Times
So join the frequent flyer club or whatever the airline offers that is similar. Doing so will usually let you check 1 or even 2 bags free of charge. I don't really care about my airline club memberships, which are FREE, other than I get to use the FIRST CLASS LOUNGE occasionally, I get to check luggage for free, and I get priority boarding. All for FREE.... BUT the charges for baggage underneath have become so ridiculous in the past ten years that I also have sympathy
I have just discovered that Westjet, the second of the two main Canadian air carriers, has introduced new carry-on baggage regulations which are even more restrictive that the new IATA limits. For example, the maximum length of the main carry-on item is now 21 in. This is clearly an attempt to force more passengers to pay the checked baggage charges which have recently been introduced. I am scheming how to get around these new regulations and save myself the $75 in baggage fees that I would otherwise have to pay over the next few weeks. Other Canadian travellers take note and plan carefully if you want to limit yourselves to carry-on luggage.
Do as I, check your backpack in and it go in the cargohole and you have no problem at all. Wish you all well, Peter.
Not bad news at all.
As a frequent flyer I am constantly inconvenienced by people who break the rules and bring on oversize bags, or bring on a purse + a sack + a small rolling bag.
There are rules, people refuse to follow them. Hopefully this new rule will actually be enforced and courteous passengers will no longer be inconvenienced.
Fail to see how your Deuter 45+10 will meet Ryan Airs carry on limit which is 55 40 20 cm or 21.6 15.7 7.8ins. Would imagine the frame alone would not meet the length requirement. Made a quick check and seems it would not. I bought a Exos 35 on the strength that it would meet the Ryan air requirement based on a call to Osprey and the guy measuring the frame only to find it was .5 inch to big. And decided was not going to risk the 100 or so extra fee for checking it in at the counter after having failed the size requirement check. Of course I may be missing something with the Deuter so don't be afraid to tell me where I am going wrong.I'm of the school of thought that my backpack stays with me at all times on the way there. I may check a box of extras (walking stick, liquids, etc) that won't cause me too much grief if they fail to arrive, but my bag stays with me. Fill my pockets, wear the jacket and fleece, and compress the heck out of the bag, turn the lap belt to tie around the bag itself, and my 45+10 L Deuter bag will still meet Ryan Air's carry on limits.
I've had airlines lose my luggage, and it's been 1 to 3 days before the airline has reunited it with me.
The big 3 airlines are talking about it here in the states. It's a BS move by the airlines to gouge the air traveler for more money. Air carriers are making $/€/£ hand over fist and still want more. It's not about passenger comfort or safety it's about greed. Buen CaminoIn June the International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents members of the airline industry, put forth industrywide guidelines for cabin baggage on aircraft with 120 or more seats.
The new preferred bag size, the group said, would be 21.5 by 13.5 by 7.5 inches, smaller than the common 22-by-14 by-9-inch bags many passengers have. So much for that generously sized bag you were thinking of buying for your European adventure. A number of major international airlines expressed interest in the initiative, including the German carrier Lufthansa. Soon travelers would be able to buy these smaller carry-on bags, which would come with an “IATA Cabin OK” logo, recognizable by the airline staff during the boarding process. And wouldn’t you know it, the association said it would not make Cabin OK logo tags available to travelers with bags that already meet the guidelines. Consumers would have to shell out for new bags if they want the Cabin OK designation.
Buying the bags would be voluntary, the association said. But passengers who choose not to get the new luggage could face uncertainty as to whether their bag would remain onboard a participating airline if the overhead bins were full. That’s because OK Cabin bags would theoretically be given priority to stay onboard in the event that not all carry-on bags could be accommodated.
NY Times
It is probably also worth reading the later press release here that IATA released on 17 Jun 15, ie nearly a month before the OP, stating that 'The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced that it was pausing the rollout of its Cabin OK initiative and beginning a comprehensive reassessment in light of concerns expressed, primarily in North America.'In June the International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents members of the airline industry, put forth industry wide guidelines for cabin baggage on aircraft with 120 or more seats.
It is probably also worth reading the later press release here that IATA released on 17 Jun 15, ie nearly a month before the OP, stating that 'The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced that it was pausing the rollout of its Cabin OK initiative and beginning a comprehensive reassessment in light of concerns expressed, primarily in North America.'
So perhaps all the scaremongering, windmill tilting and conspiracy theorising has been a bit pointless, at least for the time being.
I didn't suggest @scruffy1 was other than well intentioned in sharing the NY Times info, just that events had moved on before he did.So the joke is on us
The big 3 airlines are talking about it here in the states. It's a BS move by the airlines to gouge the air traveler for more money. Air carriers are making $/€/£ hand over fist and still want more. It's not about passenger comfort or safety it's about greed.
Actually airlines in the US tend to file for bankruptcy on a too regular basis, that is one of the reasons that so many no longer exist, others have been consolidated and merged, and still others have retreated into regional service. The biggest airlines, over the long term, have had some of the worst financial performance, even if their stock prices tend to remain fairly strong. With fuel prices lower, some are temporarily doing pretty well, but overall, if you want to make a lot of money, operating an airline is not the business to get into.The big 3 airlines are talking about it here in the states. It's a BS move by the airlines to gouge the air traveler for more money. Air carriers are making $/€/£ hand over fist and still want more. It's not about passenger comfort or safety it's about greed. Buen Camino
The big 3 airlines are talking about it here in the states. It's a BS move by the airlines to gouge the air traveler for more money. Air carriers are making $/€/£ hand over fist and still want more. It's not about passenger comfort or safety it's about greed. Buen Camino
Too logical and straightforward. It would never fly..... Oops, pardon the pun.......The only better news would be a rule that made passengers check the size of their bag as they went through security. Bag doesn't fit, you must return to your airline's ticket counter and check your bag.
Attributed to Warren Buffett: "How to make a small fortune - make a large fortune and invest it in an airline".but overall, if you want to make a lot of money, operating an airline is not the business to get into.
It's not just the US, same here. It would be fine if the existing airline rules were enforced, no point in new ones unless being IATA has some magic. Totally agree, have some system to make the offenders check in their oversize stuff. They'll kick and scream for a while, then accept it. Same thing happened when the budget airlines here enforced min 30 mins check in before domestic flights. Oh, the howls of anguish, the tales of woe. They soon learned.The main reason for this rule is people regularly try to carry on bags that are outside the rules. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. consistently enforces the current rule... The only better news would be a rule that made passengers check the size of their bag as they went through security. Bag doesn't fit, you must return to your airline's ticket counter and check your bag.
In an earlier post, I pointed out that IATA had 'paused' the proposal to introduce the change. I have checked their web side, and the proposal hasn't been resurrected. There are currently no changes being proposed!The changes in the carry-on limits are fairly small
One thing I do is join the free frequent flyer clubs for the airlines I regularly fly ... then I get 'priority' boardingAs an infrequent flier, I still always wondered at those travellers who are in a rush to line up at the gate as soon as the flight is called, or line up even before the flight is called ... while I, on the other hand, would sit and relax until the very last. Then a thought occurred to me .... These people wanted to board the plane and get themselves installed before all the carry-on luggage storage space was filled up, so they wouldn't get caught having to check their carry-on bags at the gate ... as sometimes travellers are required to do. Didn't realize they were on to something.
Both the American Airlines Mastercard and the United Airlines Visa cards are 'chipped' cards. United's card also does not upcharge for foreign transaction costs as some other cards do.I got an airline card just so I could early board and not worry about carry on. Now the airline combined with my other card and am back to one. Plus it has a chip in it and hope to use in Spain. I am trying to get another card chipped as well.
Plus it has a chip in it and hope to use in Spain.
Kanga great idea for the bag, but…throw it away or give it away? :>)@ricitosdeplata I buy a cheap woven plastic carry bag from a $2 store - the sort with a zip at the top and carry handles. Put the pack and poles inside. Makes it very easy to spot on the luggage carousel! Throw it away when I get to Spain. View attachment 20749
Some one else mentioned the IKEA bag its in theFrakta range. I bought one to put my rucksack (now paniers) in. It has lots of room and zipzs up and has straps on the bag so you can carry it on your back. It weighs 6 oz and costs $2.98. Worth taking a look.Kanga great idea for the bag, but…throw it away or give it away? :>)
I'm curious. Please elaborate............there are AT TIMES very good reasons that normal looking people put the bags overhead row 12 and saunter to row 33.
Very interesting and very helpful….many thanks.When weight and balance calculations are run for each flight your governing agency allows BA to avoid weighing carry on luggage by assuming a certain conservative weight for each - 102 pounds in this case. So if there are 200 people checked in for a flight dispatch calculates the standard weight of a pax plus std carry on x 200. The weight limitation has very little to do with what an avg pax would actually have. A non std pax such as sports team member with duffel bag or military person with gear or LEO with gun cases will be carrying on luggage that won't meet dimensions but will still fall below the weight limitation. That is why the number is so high.
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