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jimkaszynski said:I then came to the thought of doing this with no money trying to overcome the fear I have of asking someone for help
newfydog said:Why not just find a good therapist to help you with that neurosis, then go enjoy a normal camino?
Nasty comment.duncan pm said:I ernestly assure that I shall never, ever, "look you up" - were I to return to Thailand, have the misfortune of encountering you on the camino or anywhere else for that matter.
Self-obsessed nonsense.
Desist and depart.
tyrrek said:Nasty comment.
If the OP hadn't also been similarly nasty in his most recent long post, I would have felt more inclined to the view that duncan pm's comment was inappropriate. Aside from its sheer size, Jim engages in some nasty verbal bullying and pejorative name-calling in his response, and addresses the issues others have raised in the most superficial manner.RENSHAW said:tyrrek said:Nasty comment.
I agree ;My support goes to Jim ...It is all for charity anyway.
I'm not supporting anyone. Throughout this discussion I've tried not to judge people's motives, just to warn how they may be perceived. What I don't like are posts that are totally negative and just dismiss someone with alternative views when in all likelihood the pilgrims concerned will never even meet! So much anger...sit by a river and watch the fish. :roll:dougfitz said:Renshaw and tyrrek, I am somehow glad that there are still some like you who have the generosity of spirit to support Jim. I am afraid I am moving from sitting uncomfortably on the fence to stand on the other side.
Don't go anywhere, peregrino! I get equally wound up on the threads relating to litter. Buen Camino!duncan pm said:well, yes - my post was negative, judgemental when I re-read it and reflect further on it and may not sit comfortably with others. I am sure that I am not the best natured of people and I know I am cantankerous and prone to grumbling.
If I offend I shall withdraw, take my own advice and depart forthwith.
The wisdom and insight I see on this forum is wonderful - maybe I should enjoy it in silence.
Feel free to tell me so.
I dislike what I said I dislike - by that I stand.
I wish those who viewed my comments as harsh the very best, wish them well and happy times to come.
methodist.pilgrim.98 said:having just got back from the Camino I had to wade through what is becoming a long thread.
I don't have anything new to add except that I stand with those who do not support Jim in this project.
Give your air fare to the orphanage; it is the best option. It will raise far more money than any sponsorship would.
On my recent pilgrimage I often didn't collect my change; sometimes it was so small it almost felt like an insult but many of the bars and albergues were glad to have it. NOW is NOT the time to be walking the Camino without money. When things are better, maybe, but not now.
jimkaszynski said:[Your suggestion to donate my cost of my flight to a good cause was considered. Nevertheless, my group which started with five people three years ago and now is over 1,000 suggested to have people donate one penny a mile “484 miles” $4.84 to go to a valid cause.
Rebekah Scott said:there are lots of people on the camino doing all sorts of personal experimenting. Not all of them want to do it with audience support, but some need the attention. This is just another of those.
I think it is time to live and let live, or maybe walk and let walk. The camino is evidently calling to this gentleman. It will show him whatever it wants to show him, and he will take it or leave it. We don´t have to watch his one-man show if we don´t choose to.
So... like a bumblebee, if we ignore him, maybe he will go away.
Reb.
For people who really know me they would never question my motive behind this.
William Marques said:Following your PM I discussed this with Ivar and we have decided not to lock the thread permanently at this stage.
I think a discussion of the nature of this "experiment" can be held without personal abuse. Strong opinions are not necessarily angry ones but I do hope that people count to 10 before hitting the submit button in case they regret what they have said later.
I found the image of a sixty six year old man sharing a bed with a vulnerable and unrelated six year old orphan particularly disturbing. Irrespective of any lesson Jim might have learned, that child may have been taught that it is appropriate to share his bed in this way, and be even more vulnerable in future when his senses might otherwise tell him that such a situation is dangerous and threatening.jimkaszynski said:I wrote this story about compassion, which a six-year-old at the orphanage here in Thailand where I volunteered. He taught me a great lesson!
http://voices.yahoo.com/proofcompassion ... 95874.html
dougfitz said:I found the image of a sixty six year old man sharing a bed with a vulnerable and unrelated six year old orphan particularly disturbing. Irrespective of any lesson Jim might have learned, that child may have been taught that it is appropriate to share his bed in this way, and be even more vulnerable in future when his senses might otherwise tell him that such a situation is dangerous and threatening.jimkaszynski said:I wrote this story about compassion, which a six-year-old at the orphanage here in Thailand where I volunteered. He taught me a great lesson!
http://voices.yahoo.com/proofcompassion ... 95874.html
I cannot help but think that it was naive and foolish to choose this approach to provide some small extra short term comfort compared to the far greater long term damage that might have been done.
jimkaszynski said:When I finish the walk, I feel many of you will understand my true motive
jimkaszynski said:Should I run into you on the Camino, I know you will throw stones at me
I had never thought it possible that there could be a limit where it came to questioning our actions around children, and whether we were providing them with good examples of adult behaviour.jimkaszynski said:Doug, you’re going too far with this!
Actually, its not obvious, because I haven't been. I have suggested how I might feel if I did meet you and find out what you were doing, and so have others. If that is confronting to you, it might be because what you propose is so confronting.jimkaszynski said:You obviously have been attacking me from the beginning of all this.
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