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problem: can only use one emoticon... sorry for your problem, but glad you met up with Annette and husband... Hope VNwalking's input gets you on your way.After a lovely time with @annettelondon in a Ponferrada cafe, I am back getting things ready for the Invierno adventure.
I want to walk to Peñalba tomorrow and from there to As Médulas the next day. For some inexplicable reason I do not have the GPS tracks for Peñalba to Médulas on my garmin. Great. This is not likely to be well marked and is quite remote.
This is the wikiloc trail.
las medulas-peñalba de santiago
las medulas-peñalba de santiago Hiking trail in Las Médulas, Castilla y León (España). Download its GPS track and follow the route on a map. Record your own itinerary from the Wikiloc app, upload the trail and share it with the community.www.wikiloc.com
I have wikiloc app on my phone. But I have no idea how to use a trail on the phone.
Can anyone help? I am unsure whether to set out on this trail without a GPS track to use.
So stupid of me!!!
Did you try it because, it seems like that would work.I have the wikiloc app on my phone. If I open a trail on the app, should that work?
I have the wikiloc app on my phone. If I open a trail on the app, should that work?
Where does the follow option show up? I did what you did and don’t see that anywhere.Hi Laurie,
Apologies in advance if this is a really stupid response .......
I just tried what you suggested and it seems to work. I clicked on your link and my phone automatically opened it in the wikiloc app. I then scrolled down and clicked the 'save' option. It's now stored in the app in 'saved trails' (rather than in 'your trails').
I tried the 'follow' option but it told me that I was too far away
Good luck with this - it's quite far outside my comfort zone too, but I've successfully used the wikiloc app on a few Caminos. It's quite intuitive once you get started.
Nuala
I think that requires you to be online, but I'm not sure.have the wikiloc app on my phone. If I open a trail on the app, should that work?
I just played with it on my phone and it didn't, but I don't have premium. Boo.does that work offline?
You are one example of the many forum members who go above and beyond to help out peregrinos and peregrinas in whatever way you can...just saying.☺Try the free version of the IGN, Instituto Geográfico Nacional (threre should be an iPhone version too, this would be for Android):
Mapas de España - Apps on Google Play
Ideal for hiking, biking display, running or skiing, etcplay.google.com
if you use the fre,getting the map for Leon would be very handy too. The app includes a Spain map, but you might want to download the map for Leon, which is more more detailed
Once you have the IGN app, open it and follow these steps to download the map for Leon (IMPORTANT: you want to do this with WIFI, it is a laaaaaaarge file, and might take up to 5 or 10 minutes)
1) press the Map button (see below)
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2) Choose Abrir mapa
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3) Tap the OFFLINE (1) option, then press the + sign (2)
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4) A new browser window will appear; scroll down till you get Leon, then hit Descargar for León
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that might take a few minutes
you should then be able to open the track files no problem. I insist; if you cannot download the Leon map, you might still be able to manage with the default Spanish map that comes included with the app
Any other technical issue, just give me a shout, amiga! Beware, hot, hot days are expected, and Orense is particularly clamy and hot!
Rick, you are another forum member who is often so helpful in sharing your computer related knowledge and skills with those who are asking questions of that type. You take the time and go out of your way to help resolve their issues and this post says it all...such a nice quality you possess.Good morning Laurie. I didn't see this thread until about midnight your time.
I think you just need to follow the instructions above by @slandwalker. I say think because I do not have the premium version of the Wikiloc app installed. Let me start at an earlier point.
I have OSMand, Maps.me and Wikiloc apps installed. A few weeks ago I used Wikiloc to download a GPX version of a trail in my neighborhood. Last week I downloaded the Wikiloc background map for Massachusetts. I've had OSMand's background map for Massachusetts downloaded for months. Right after seeing this thread I headed out to the vicinity of the trail. I had my cellular data connection and wifi set to off so I would be able to see only the downloaded offline versions of the Massachusetts maps. I set the location setting on to be able to get GPS signals from the satellites. I then used a file manager to find the downloaded local track on my phone and I clicked it. The first time to say "display with Wikiloc and then again to display it using OSMand. So now I went to the Wikiloc app and I could see the track overlaid on the Massachusetts map. Good. But the green follow track button mentioned by islandwalker did not work for me. (Later at home with wifi on I tried again and what I got was a pop-up requesting me to get the premium version of the app. If you already have that I expect that everything would just fine for you.) When I switched to the OSMand app I could see the track overlaid on the Massachusetts map and I could see an arrow indicating my position. Using that I walked to get myself to the track and follow it.
For ease of use I would suggest you stick with the Wikiloc app if it shows both your current position and the track you want to follow. After all you are used to that app.
OSMand is a pay for app but it is free as long as you only download a few of the offline maps (5?). If you want more you will need to pay for the app. I'm still using the free version myself using only a few of the New England states.
Maps.me is free and would must likely also work as well as OSMand but it has to read KML or KMZ formatted tracks and I hadn't downloaded the nearby track in that format. I think that Wikiloc allows the tracks to be downloaded in any of those formats (I'm still new to Wikiloc and haven't tried everything out yet.) Maps.me will likely use less disk space than OSMand because it has maps of smaller regions. For example OSMand would have all of North Carolina as one map while Maps.me breaks the state up into many regions (seven as I remember.)
I may be up about the time you may want to write (I usually get up really early.) Ask away. If I don't know the answer I'll make something up (just kidding, I may make an educated guess but I'll let you know that is what you are getting.)
Anything for Laurie, she is a fabulous person and I am very happy to help any time, she has helped me lots of times too!You are one example of the many forum members who go above and beyond to help out peregrinos and peregrinas in whatever way you can...just saying.☺
I have seen Penalba in that valley in the far, far distance while walking the Frances and it has intrigued me as it looked lost in time, and I wondered about it. Laurie set me straight about its name and I've seen her photos with Reb. I would love to do that loop she speaks of one day.And she is going no less than to Santiago de Peñalba, pure magic of a place and a valley!
Oops, Laurie, I'm so sorry I didn't see this earlier. You absolutely do not need a cell connection or wifi to use Wikiloc to follow a trail on your phone. You also do not need to transfer the Wikiloc trail to any other app. We keep our phones in airplane mode to save on battery and follow Wikiloc trails directly from the app all day with no problem at all. Just open the trail on your phone, press the green "Follow Trail" button, and watch your blue dot move along the orange track. Keep your volume up enough and you will hear a warning if you leave the trail. Here is a link to the help page from Wikiloc if you also want to record your trail. The important thing to know is you only need the one app, Wikiloc, to do the entire thing. Very straightforward. So if you open your Peñalba trail in the Wikiloc app when you are ready to start out, and press the "Follow Trail" button right under the map near the top of the screen, and then press the green "Start Following" button on the next screen that pops up, you will be all set. Once you see how easy it is, I bet you'll never feel the need to transfer another trail to your Garmin again!
Good luck with it all,
Elaine
and tomorrow morning I will walk to As Médulas on the proper Invierno.
Ok, this seems like a path I can take without the GPS! It looks like today won’t be too hot, but the next few days after that could be rough. Good thing there are so many villagers happy to fill water bottles! Buen camino, LaurieI’m not sure if I have Amancio’s Borrenes alternative on my GPS, but if I do, I’ll give that a whirl.
go on, just ask people in Borrenes, forgot your woman's name, she is such a pet, and her brother too!!!!
Just in case, go up the street in Borrenes, and when you come to this corner, just turn left and up, there is yellow arrows all the way to Orellan, and the path itself is beautiful
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and this is the track
BUEN CAMINO from a very jealous Amancio!!!Borrenes-Las Medulas (Camino de Invierno)
Ruta Borrenes-Las Medulas (Camino de Invierno) de Senderismo en Borrenes, Castilla y León (España). Descarga el track GPS y sigue el recorrido del itinerario del sendero desde un mapa. Este track es gentileza de mi amigo Frasco, que compartió este tramo, uno de los miles de kilómetros que hemos...es.wikiloc.com
Ok, this seems like a path I can take without the GPS! It looks like today won’t be too hot, but the next few days after that could be rough. Good thing there are so many villagers happy to fill water bottles! Buen camino, Laurie
I’m not sure if I have Amancio’s Borrenes alternative on my GPS, but if I do, I’ll give that a whirl.
go on, just ask people in Borrenes, forgot your woman's name, she is such a pet, and her brother too!!!!
Just in case, go up the street in Borrenes, and when you come to this corner, just turn left and up, there is yellow arrows all the way to Orellan, and the path itself is beautiful
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and this is the track
BUEN CAMINO from a very jealous Amancio!!!Borrenes-Las Medulas (Camino de Invierno)
Ruta Borrenes-Las Medulas (Camino de Invierno) de Senderismo en Borrenes, Castilla y León (España). Descarga el track GPS y sigue el recorrido del itinerario del sendero desde un mapa. Este track es gentileza de mi amigo Frasco, que compartió este tramo, uno de los miles de kilómetros que hemos...es.wikiloc.com
You must have sent that message to me subliminally. I decided to take Amancio’s alternative from Borrenes (which was Avery good decision). The bar in Borrenes was closed, so a km or so out of town, I found a patch of shade. I made the conscious decision not to peek at my phone, just to sit there and rest and think. It was a very restorative few minutes.Something nice for Laurie because she inspires so many.
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Do you need premium for this to work?Oops, Laurie, I'm so sorry I didn't see this earlier. You absolutely do not need a cell connection or wifi to use Wikiloc to follow a trail on your phone. You also do not need to transfer the Wikiloc trail to any other app. We keep our phones in airplane mode to save on battery and follow Wikiloc trails directly from the app all day with no problem at all. Just open the trail on your phone, press the green "Follow Trail" button, and watch your blue dot move along the orange track. Keep your volume up enough and you will hear a warning if you leave the trail. Here is a link to the help page from Wikiloc if you also want to record your trail. The important thing to know is you only need the one app, Wikiloc, to do the entire thing. Very straightforward. So if you open your Peñalba trail in the Wikiloc app when you are ready to start out, and press the "Follow Trail" button right under the map near the top of the screen, and then press the green "Start Following" button on the next screen that pops up, you will be all set. Once you see how easy it is, I bet you'll never feel the need to transfer another trail to your Garmin again!
Good luck with it all,
Elaine
Do you need premium for this to work?
I checked this the other day as noted in a post above. I could see a track on the map but clicking the follow track button off line did nothing. When wifi was available clicking caused a popup giving me the opportunity to upgrade to premium. I could not get my current location to show. I had no problems with this using OSMand.No, you do not need premium to follow a Wikiloc track offline.
It works on my Android without Premium.I checked this the other day as noted in a post above. I could see a track on the map but clicking the follow track button off line did nothing. When wifi was available clicking caused a popup giving me the opportunity to upgrade to premium. I could not get my current location to show. I had no problems with this using OSMand.
Edit: traveling. I may not be able to respond any time soon.
Excellent advice from the Wikiloc advocates....When you are ready to follow the trail, put your phone in airplane/battery saver mode (to make your battery last longer) and you are good to go. No signal needed. The GPS operates off satellites, not cell towers...
things are a lot easier now thanks to Streetview, fortunately! I am looking forward to hearing news from Laurie, how it went from Borrenes to Orellán!Great post! I'd love to have these kinds of photos (with arrows and X'es) for all the tricky intersections on the Caminos!Nice job, Amancio.
Ah Rebekah, I would do this walk with you and your map and compass in a heartbeat. But me alone, no cell service, no tracks and no map or compass(not sure they would help anyway), I bailed. But I will be back!Harking back to the Prehistoric, pre- Wiki days of 2010.. that trail is waymarked, y'know. Not very well, and it is a little tricky in the town with the abandoned monastery, but it is perfectly do-able with a plain old map and a compass. I am here to tell you.
I checked this the other day as noted in a post above. I could see a track on the map but clicking the follow track button off line did nothing. When wifi was available clicking caused a popup giving me the opportunity to upgrade to premium.
If you can download offline maps and use them to locate yourself without internet coverage that means you don't need Premium account. Or am I missing something?@Rick of Rick and Peg ...
To download and follow a Wikiloc track made by someone else, you now need premium.
- Download Offline Maps for free: You can use them to locate you in detail on the map in areas without Internet coverage.
Thank you all for the further details!! I’ll upgrade to the three month pack.@Rick of Rick and Peg Thanks for the heads-up, Rick! After reading your post, I was puzzled and thought I'd better check this out further to be sure I wasn't misleading people. I tried it myself with a new, non-premium account and indeed got the same results you did. Checking further on Wikiloc's update pages, it seems they have changed their policy recently. People with previous navigator accounts get all the premium features until their navigator packs expire. All others, including new members, will need to have premium ($4.99 for 3 months, $9.99 for 12 months) in order to follow tracks with the Wikiloc app. Here is the updated page of the features you get for free vs premium. Sorry for any confusion my earlier post may have caused!
To summarize, with the free app you can:
To download and follow a Wikiloc track made by someone else, you now need premium.
- Search for trails.
- Record your own trails.
- Follow your own trails.
- Follow all Wikiloc ORG account (but not Wikiloc.com) trails for free (even if you don't have Wikiloc Premium).
- Download Offline Maps for free: You can use them to locate you in detail on the map in areas without Internet coverage.
I guess the biggest drawback would be that without a premium account, you couldn't download and follow the tracks other people have made and uploaded (now numbering over 12 million). So in this case, for example, Laurie (if she had had additional phone battery time at her disposal and had chosen to do so) could have followed the Las Medulas-Peñalba de Santiago track she downloaded because she has a premium account. Anyone grandfathered into premium features by having an unexpired Navigator account could also follow that track. But a new user who did not sign up for premium would not be able to follow tracks uploaded by another Wikiloc user.If you can download offline maps and use them to locate yourself without internet coverage that means you don't need Premium account. Or am I missing something?
Well, that explains that. No wonder. Thanks for clearing up that mystery, @islandwalker !People with previous navigator accounts get all the premium features until their navigator packs expire. All others, including new members, will need to have premium ($4.99 for 3 months, $9.99 for 12 months) in order to follow tracks with the Wikiloc app.
Uh-huh. But fair warning...I may not be the best tutor of tech on the planet. Regardless it will be fun!are you paying attention, VNwalking?!!
Hmm..that adds a new layer to the puzzle. Are you downloading it on your computer or your phone? From wikiloc.com on the web or from the app?But even with a freebee account I've managed to download maps (in this moment I can't remember how I did that, but it wasn't hard).
I think there is some confusion here. The term maps refers to a map of an area and contains objects such as roads, rivers, contour lines, houses and such. Displayed on top of that is a track or a route (usually a track) that shows a way of getting from one place to another. On top of that is a cursor that shows a representation of where you are in the landscape/map. The cursor may have (or be) an arrow to show the direction you have your device pointed. Wikiloc's free app allows you to download maps but is more restrictive about which tracks you can download (see @islandwalker's posts above).If you can download offline maps and use them to locate yourself without internet coverage that means you don't need Premium account. Or am I missing something?
I agree. I use Maps.me more often than OSMand but not for following tracks. Mainly because I prefer to use files in the GPX format but ease of use is also a factor. Although Wikiloc, Maps.me and OSMand all use data from the Open Street Map project OSMand shows more detailed maps.I find OSMand a very good app, but also quit difficult to use sometimes.
Yes. You get 6 or 7 free maps. The maps cover a bigger area than the ones Maps me has though. One for the state of North Carolina instead of six.And after having dowloaded some maps, you also need to pay for it, isn't is?
Almost, and I'm quibbling here, but with Maps.me you have to move the map around with zooms and swipes to get to the area where the track is. I did this last night when in Massachusetts I opened up a kml track for northern New Hampshire. The screen didn't automatically show the area of the track. I had to zoom out, find and move to the area of the map where the track would be shown and then zoom in.Download any kml file into it (also the ones you find on wikiloc) and it appears.
The above works but it was harder to do than I thought it would. I had to edit the file to remove some data and change some other data before having the file manager have Wikiloc open it. It isn't likely that anyone wants to go though the trouble of foing that so I'm not going to go though the trouble of writing out the details.Oh, yeah; if you want to follow someone else's track with the free Wikiloc app try the following (I have not tried this myself but I think it would work). Do what I mentioned earlier about downloading foo.gpx and then rename it to bar.gpx. Open that and then upload to your Wikiloc account. Delete the bar.gpx file on your phone and then download bar.gpx from Wikiloc. Wikiloc may see this as your file and allow to to start following it with its features (miles traveled on it, miles to go, warning you when off track, etc.)
I've long wanted to do a detailed analysis of these mapping apps for use on the caminos but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. My hunch is, that for most pilgrims, I would recommend Maps.me.
I'm not familiar with iPhones but GPS uses a radio RECEIVER. Airplane mode is intended to stop radio TRANSMISSIONS. On Androids (mine at least) GPS works fine in airplane mode.We have an I phone 6.....will the gps work in airplane mode or do we need a newer version I.e I phone 8?
Nice summary, especially of the differences in map details. Thanks, Rick. I'll look forward to your further thoughts on the comparisons. I'll add that if a person is looking for alternative tracks beyond a main pilgrim route, it's worth considering the $4.95 for three month's use of Wikiloc for the ease of doing it all within one app, for finding alternative tracks using 'search by passing area', and for supporting the platform that provides such a wealth of information and tracks to choose from.
I'm not familiar with iPhones but GPS uses a radio RECEIVER. Airplane mode is intended to stop radio TRANSMISSIONS. On Androids (mine at least) GPS works fine in airplane mode.
By the way, airplane mode is the reason why you download the apps, maps and tracks ahead of time. That way you use the data already on the phone instead of using wifi or cellular data.
GPS also uses a lot of smartphone battery. If you follow a track you could run out of power but if it is off and you turn it on and just use it to find your location and which way to go to get back on the camino (if you need to) you will save the power.
I'm not familiar with iPhones but GPS uses a radio RECEIVER. Airplane mode is intended to stop radio TRANSMISSIONS. On Androids (mine at least) GPS works fine in airplane mode.
By the way, airplane mode is the reason why you download the apps, maps and tracks ahead of time. That way you use the data already on the phone instead of using wifi or cellular data.
GPS also uses a lot of smartphone battery. If you follow a track you could run out of power but if it is off and you turn it on and just use it to find your location and which way to go to get back on the camino (if you need to) you will save the power.
thanks for the helpI'm not familiar with iPhones but GPS uses a radio RECEIVER. Airplane mode is intended to stop radio TRANSMISSIONS. On Androids (mine at least) GPS works fine in airplane mode.
By the way, airplane mode is the reason why you download the apps, maps and tracks ahead of time. That way you use the data already on the phone instead of using wifi or cellular data.
GPS also uses a lot of smartphone battery. If you follow a track you could run out of power but if it is off and you turn it on and just use it to find your location and which way to go to get back on the camino (if you need to) you will save the power.
I thought of a test. I have a GPS app called My GPS Coordinates (free adware). It shows your location printing it out as latitude and longtitude (which can be shared various ways such as email or being copied to the clipboard ). Install this app. Put your phone into airplane mode, turn on GPS/Location and then run the app. See what it does.We have an I phone 6.....will the gps work in airplane mode or do we need a newer version I.e I phone 8?
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