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- cycled from Pamplona Sep 2015;Frances, walked from St Jean May/June 2017. Plans to walk Porto 2020
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Pilgrims have flaws, too.Why do you call these trespassers pilgrims?
Anton, I would have used stronger language but this after all a family forum. The pity of it is that the South African pilgrim ( I know she is SA as she carried her national flag on her backpack) didn't seem to understand what I considered her crime.Why do you call these trespassers pilgrims? For me being a pilgrim means at least that you are not just a walker but that you have "higher" motives. Of cause this does not mean that a "walker" has any right to trespass and ruin the harvest of farmers. (I, being a not religious person or pilgrim would not dream of doing this.
Hi G.T. So correct I wanted to come back and put up a barrier of some description. Still hopefully word of mouth will carry some weight.The trouble is, once a few people have taken these "shortcuts", it starts to appear as if there is a genuine path... Sounds like a good place for a yellow arrow to keep people on the right path - sometimes all it takes is one painted on a rock by the side of the track, pointing the correct way where a well-trodden "shortcut" has appeared. But I absolutely agree that tromping across a farmer's crops is thoughtless and stupid, and in fact vandalism.
you forgot to emphasize that we are rude "judgmental"But, but, but . . . isn't "their" Camino and we are not to criticize anyone who does "their" own Camino?
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I see many signs of disrespect of property, people on camino as well as the alburges and causes me to look close at my actions. These are all I can change. My actions.
This is true (sometimes). The first time I walked that route into Burgos was in November, and the field must have been harvested, because it looked like a valid path. However, I wasn't certain of the route so I wanted to walk up to the building to check for signage. Good thing, or I would be in serious trouble here!The trouble is, once a few people have taken these "shortcuts", it starts to appear as if there is a genuine path through the field, and others will follow, some not even realising they are going the wrong way.
Aren't we over this, yet, even with the sarcasm quotes?But, but, but . . . isn't "their" Camino and we are not to criticize anyone who does "their" own Camino?
isn't "their" Camino
Just to clarify my unnecessary comment, I was referring to the over-use of the phrase. I certainly don't accept this as an excuse for bad behaviour.Aren't we over this, yet, even with the sarcasm quotes?
Oh, I'm with you, and I think your thoughs were clear.Just to clarify my unnecessary comment, I was referring to the over-use of the phrase. I certainly don't accept this as an excuse for bad behaviour.
Hi Robert, sarcasm or not, some lame, non-pilgrim is going to take your post as their "right"! Yes it's "their" Camino, but trashing someone else's property to achieve this goal is TOTALLY (yes the shouting is intentional) unacceptable.But, but, but . . . isn't "their" Camino and we are not to criticize anyone who does "their" own Camino?
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elses'Today I took the alternate route into Burgos, the one via East side of the airport. As I & my fellow pilgrim arrived at the turn-off I was totally discussed to see two totally unthinking, totally uncaring pilgrims taking a short-cut across a farmers rice field. I yelled out but they ignored me. When I reached the other side of the field, having walked at most an extra 75 metres I could see this track clearly. It is evidently being used by pilgrims who do not give a stuff about this farmer's income. At present the track is about 750mm (about 2ft,8in), but if 10,000 pilgrims walk through it it will be 5 metres wide. Spanish farmers have a tough enough task earning a living without any uncaring, unthinking pilgrims trashing their fields. Please remember we are guests in Spain, please also respect this farmer's private property. I will post a picture to go with this post, but it's on the iPhone.
But, but, but . . . isn't "their" Camino and we are not to criticise anyone who does "their" own Camino?
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you forgot to emphasise that we are rude "judgemental"
But, but, but . . . isn't "their" Camino and we are not to criticize anyone who does "their" own Camino?
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Get Respect & Give Respect!!Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It seems that it would be common sense to not trespass, not damage things along the way, not drop rubbish ...... Unfortunately, it still happens. We need to remember that we are guests in this beautiful country. Please treat the people, and the land, with respect.
Hi @StepheninDC. Thanks for the support all it will take is 5 or 10 or 15 Pilgrims to spread the word and this farmers crop will be saved. Cheers
You do NOT want to stop in any of the laybys where the big trucks camp up for the night then! (UK) We have to send out cleansing crews before our construction teams can do any work. Sheer thoughtlessness!Sadly I think barbed wire is the only way to stop this kind of selfishness. A lot of people poop in the fields as well, must be quite rank when the poor farmers come to harvest.
I stayed at San Bol
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