Peregrino2019
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- Planning 2 weeks of Camino Norte in May 2019
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I have not walked on the Norte but I have wild camped a lot in Spain and France,Canada ,England and the United States.Hi all,
I will be walking from Irun to Santander in early to late May and am hoping to camp as much as possible to keep costs down as well as for the enjoyment of sleeping outside. I will use some albergues if I feel I really need to and also for the Camino spirit (that is if there are other pilgrims there at the same time as me). I know of the laws that you can't camp less than 2km from a town and can't camp on private land etc but does anyone know of any areas suitable for camping within or outside these boundaries? I will always clean up after myself and will leave as early as i can and will leave no trace of my presence upon exit and have no interest in building any fires. Thanks!
Thanks Martyseville, all taken on board thank you!I stealth camped many times on the Camino
Sure you know the proper things to NOT do: NO fires!
I didn’t smoke, no lights, no music, never over a fence or gate, asked permission when possible, etc
Used hammock or tent. No not on the same walk.
Sometimes used the alburgues for shower, clothes washing , etc. then moved on to stealth camping location.
Set up at sunset. Out by sunrise.
Never had a problem.
Location? Can’t give you a break down of where stealthed camped at. But, you will know them when you are walking.
You will develope a sense for IDing a good spot.
Sometimes I camped outside the aburgue.
Always paid the aburgue or donated.
Thank you very much Gary this advice will come in very handy i'm sure. Have no fears about me building a fire, i'm not much good at it and don't trust myself enough. The hanging bag up is to prevent people stealing it i assume or to protect against hungry mice etc? The right to walk until dusk is very handy indeed but i will be sure to stay at some of the albergues. Thank you again!I have not walked on the Norte but I have wild camped a lot in Spain and France,Canada ,England and the United States.
I have spent easily several hundred nights out and have never had a problem with the law or with anyone else for that matter.
This works for me.
Pick a area where you will sleep. A good map can show you a place well away from any buildings. Usually I try to arrive just before dusk. I try to choose a spot on a sidehill. Too low can be cold and damp and a ridge can get nasty in a storm but sometimes you can’t be picky. I like a spot a bit away from the path and NEVER NEVER put your bed in a place that an early morning tractor, car, or motorcycle could get to.
When I have chosen a comfortable place I will leave and not return until almost dark. There is nearly always a better place nearby to snack or read or whatever until dark. Never built a fire. The locals will be rightly terrified of people building fires in hard to access places. If you want to cook find a city park with a fire station across the street. ( Old forest service smokechaser here.Forgive my rant ).
When it’s dark return to your sleeping site, and hang your pack and anything that has had food in it from a pre-rigged cord in the trees. This works well in the back country but not so well near established campgrounds where the local forgers are more highly educated.
Then just slide into your sleeping bag and enjoy.hours of solid sleep. No snorers, no flashlights in your eyes and no pilgrims heading for the bathroom for a late night flushing marathon.
In the morning be packed and gone before full daylight. If you keep your eyes open and walk quietly there’s a good chance of seeing wildlife. On the Camino Francis I walked for four hours once without seeing another pilgrim.
I like to mix camping with more conventional pilgrim lodging. I need to shower use the Wi-Fi and the pilgrims are the most interesting and the nicest people I have met. Good company .
I hope you find something in this commentary you can use. It is a technique that I find safe ,comfortable ,and economical But If you are in a place where you don’t really understand the culture and the critters ,it can be dangerous .
Good luck. Easy roads.
PS I’ve heard that in Spain travelers generally have the right to walk until dusk,sleep wherever they are, then leave at daybreak. On the Camino Francis Rioja is the only exception. But -Best be careful where you get your legal advice. And-It’s probably best not to argue fine points of trespass law with a Spanish policeman.
Hi. I’m glad you found something useful in my remarks. The reason I am more comfortable with my food hanging in the tree a bit away from where I’m sleeping involves squirrels mice bears raccoons and dogs. I want those midnight snackers trying to solve the puzzle I left hanging in the tree rather than rummaging around inThank you very much Gary this advice will come in very handy i'm sure. Have no fears about me building a fire, i'm not much good at it and don't trust myself enough. The hanging bag up is to prevent people stealing it i assume or to protect against hungry mice etc? The right to walk until dusk is very handy indeed but i will be sure to stay at some of the albergues. Thank you again!
Check this post out. Very comprehensive information re' Camping in Spain:
There is a reason he won't see likes on the forum. The forum exists to educate pilgrims on all the pilgrimage routes, how to walk them safely and courteously, and provides ample information on the best practice to achieve that... that is not the purpose of this forum.
The Camino is open to all but I think it does a disservice to tell people "how to get away" with camping. The only reason people are allowed an "overnight" stay as the dude in the video put it is because sometimes you walk until you cant walk anymore. Or you might be at a choke point in which lodging is no longer available. Or because you feel called to spend a night under the Milky Way by your Creator. But those should be the exception, not the rule. The rule is it's not kosher and it's their country so they can decide.
I've watched it and that's really helped clarify some of it thanks. I'll look up the rules of the regions the Norte passes through thanks.Check this post out. Very comprehensive information re' Camping in Spain:
If i do stay at one of the donativos then I will give generously, I just genuinely prefer camping for the most part although I will stay at the albergues and donativos if necessary. Also, it's not that I want to know 'how to get away with it' as such but more how to go about it in such a way so as not to anger people. I try as much as i can to follow the 'leave no trace' mantra so rest assured i will be respectful of the environment and the people.There is a reason he won't see likes on the forum. The forum exists to educate pilgrims on all the pilgrimage routes, how to walk them safely and courteously, and provides ample information on the best practice to achieve that. Wild camping may be a thing in the UK, other places in Europe and the US but it's not a "thing" in Spain, even if it's given a cute name like "stealth camping".
I know it's become a popular thing for APOC and REI outfitters to educate their members about the Camino. I recently went to a class being offered at REI by my local APOC chapter. There were maybe seven member of APOC there including myself and the presenters. The other 30 people were REI members who had gotten an email about the class. REI likes that because they get to sell gear. APOC likes that because then they get new people they can approach about joining.
The best question was asked by a backpacker who wanted to know why walking the Camino was so special instead of say backpacking through the French Alps. The presenter hemmed and hawed but just couldn't get the words out of his mouth...because it's a pilgrimage. Not a backpacking destination. There are alot of FB groups out there that also downplay the pilgrimage part because they are not religious or don't believe at all because their passion is backpacking and hiking. They probably drank the REI kool-aid.
The Camino is open to all but I think it does a disservice to tell people "how to get away" with camping. The only reason people are allowed an "overnight" stay as the dude in the video put it is because sometimes you walk until you cant walk anymore. Or you might be at a choke point in which lodging is no longer available. Or because you feel called to spend a night under the Milky Way by your Creator. But those should be the exception, not the rule. The rule is it's not kosher and it's their country so they can decide.
It's not done because you want to be frugal. Donativios are plentiful along the way for the purpose of next-to-free lodging to provide shelter for pilgrims on a budget and it's easy enough to plan your stages to go from one donativio to the next. Most are run by the Church or the State or private families. Donativio should not be interpreted as free but give what you can.
I might also add that if you have to tell someone "how to get away" with something or do it in "stealth", you are probably doing something you know to be wrong and that is not the purpose of this forum.
That's what i though too but will just look up the laws on the different types of camping across the different regions. I will avoid the national parks too thanks for the heads up.The video refers to the provincial laws and practices along the Camino Francés, not the Norte. We took a tent and used it a few times in legitimate camping grounds (some natural locations without facilities, but signed with camping permission, as well as commercial camp grounds) and in the gardens of albergues (paying to use the facilities). However there are areas of national parks and natural beauty spots where it is strictly forbidden to camp, in any form. I understand that you will be fined if found camping in one of those spots.
"The first rule of Fight Club..." If you plan to do something which is of questionable legality or which is clearly very controversial then I think one important way to avoid angering those people who object is to refrain from posting your intentions on a public forum. Wild/stealth camping is a topic which almost always provokes a heated response here. Some people clearly do. And if they do so with careful choices of location and genuinely leave no trace then it is very likely that no-one will learn of it and have grounds for complaint. But that is not going to be helped by having a discussion on suitable spots in a public space.Also, it's not that I want to know 'how to get away with it' as such but more how to go about it in such a way so as not to anger people.
Thank you! looking at different options and your video was very helpfulCheck this post out. Very comprehensive information re' Camping in Spain:
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