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Vinotinto wrote:Atheists, pagans, Christians, deists, agnostics, and rationalists are all to be found on the Way.
JohnnieWalker said:Yes Vinotinto these varieties and more are found on the Way - and there is room for everyone!
Br. David said:VT - you believe that you have been 'backsliding'. In what sense? Was it that the belief system you were with had specific rules that you now break or that you believed specific things to be true and you no longer believe those things?
Br. David said:Thank you for opening up like that.
Br. David said:Sounds like you have been through the pin-ball effect
Br. David said:Absolutely, next thing you know those mad right wing fundamentalist Christians would elect someone with a silly name like ..errmmm Bush?
Br. David said:that literalist view of interpreting christian texts is appearing more and more old-fashioned.
Br. David said:But, will say this, .... have you noticed that those that use the 'pick n mix' system to create their own 'religion' or world view always choose those things that reinforce their lifestyles/worldviews as they are -?
Br. David said:So we are in accord I think.
Sigh...and people wonder why I took to drink on the Camino...I purposefully shied away from political discussions during my trek. I live in a small town near Vancouver, Washington State - but I told most people that I was from Portland, Oregon (where I work), since when I said "Vancouver", they immediately thought of Vancouver British Columbia, and when I said "Washington", they would reply, "DC? Oh no - Bush!" and go on with some sort of disparaging comment. Most folks knew were Portland Oregon is, so that was a lot easier...but at least I never claimed to be a Canadian.
Br. David said:Incid' - is this the sort of stuff expected on this thread? varieties of ..or have I bent it askew?
MermaidLilli said:Once I told a Frenchman I was from Florida, he talked about the wonderful beaches we have, Disney, his cousin in whatever town..... and I thought "hmm"... from then on I was Floridian to everyone Never talked politics again.
papajohn said:I wanted to be in a Catholic environment and experience a fundamentally Catholic culture
As a 'lapsed Catholic' I understand I won't be short of company either :wink:Br. David said:So - Catholics on the Camino? Whatever next!
All of a sudden I don't feel alone.
Br. David said:tens of millions of people are doing things that they know are wrong, from simple lying to drug taking, abuse of partners, illegality, deception, uncontrolled animalistic sex, and these people are not going to face who and what they are
Br. David said:A Catholic priest is trained for a decade - he is not a fool in any way at all.
.Rafferty mentioned: There is hardly a week goes by but that we hear of yet another priest convicted of child abuse
For many Catholics the secularisation of the pilgrimage will be a great disappointment but it didn’t jar with me or prevent me from savouring the spiritual nature of the pilgrimage. I found it to be an excellent microcosm of the tangled world today and I would have been disappointed and probably even bored to find only pious, traditionally minded Catholics. Aside from the precious opportunity of speaking at great length about the Faith to those who would otherwise never have any contact with a priest, I find personally that faith thrives on challenges and conflict.
Joseph, thanks for sharing this. I know I have a long journey to Europe ahead of me.... lots of timezones to cross and jetlag to get over for a start! I did learn when I was at school that Madrid and Wellington are kind of 'opposites', but hadn't related that to the Camino. I doubt that I will search out the spot in the Southern Alps that matches Santiago, but merely knowing I have travelled so far will help me walk with an extra step of pride for my own beautiful country, and the ones I am walking through!Joseph Chan said:By an accident of geography, New Zealand is the exact antipodes of Spain, having reverse latitude and longitude and thus being exactly on the opposite side of the globe. A New Zealander therefore makes the longest possible journey to Santiago, not less than 19,900 kilometres.
francisco said:Come back Arn, Br David, Vinotonto, all is ... well, forgiven?
Joseph Chan said:Margaret - it seems to be a pity not to start your Camino from the exact Antipodes of Santiago de Compostela as with the present cheap airfares you could fly from PN or Wellington to Christchurch and I will drive you to the exact spot at the foothills of the Southern Alps for the start of your walk. I can meet you at Christchurch airport upon arrival from PN and also drive you back to the Airport upon your return from the Alps. We have a spare room and our family would love to meet you. Fares from Christchurch to Auckland has dropped dramatically so you could fly from CHC to AKL to connect with the AKL-SIN flight, on the other hand with a bit of luck you could try to change your flight AKL-SIN to CHC-SIN, saves you going to AKL for the start of your great Walk.
Cheers
Grandpa Joe
Joseph Chan said:to her the experience of a dream come true by getting the job whilst on the Camino is a Variety of Camino experience.
Charles said:Hey Vinotinto, have you been watching British TV or did you pick it up on the airways?
Charles said:I think the Camino is still a moderate pilgrimage and rightly so!
Vinotinto wrote:Anything that gets me out of my comfort zone
Arn said:Does a bus ride and yellow footprints come to mind!
Arn said:Good to hear from you Brother!
Arn said:April can't get here fast enough!
Vinotinto wrote:do your taxes before you leave
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