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Time for more compostela type certificates?
We are talking at cross purposes here, whether deliberately or not, I shan´t comment. There are three aspects of the camino to consider and we need to be clear which one we are discussing: The actual physical paths, tracks and roads that pilgrims to Camino de Santiago follow. This website might...- dick bird
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
Who is ´they´? The Via de la Plata (Sanabrés), the Portugués and the Finisterra/Muxia routes all enter Santiago by different paths. These are alternatives, and officially recognised for the purpose of issuing a compostela. There are no reports of them being overcrowded, although the Portugués...- dick bird
- Post #87
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
And when we complain about the number of pilgrims we are essentially complaining about the fact that other people are doing the same thing as us in the same place at the same time.- dick bird
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
There has been a misunderstanding here, and if it was my fault, I apologise for it. It was absolutely not my intention to say this about you, far from it. I know you take the camino and pilgrimage more seriously than anyone and so far as I am aware you have never suggested such a thing, nor...- dick bird
- Post #74
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
From what he said in his interview, I am not sure that Anton Pombo would agree with that. He seems to think that the issuing of a certificate (aka the Compostela) has somehow undervalued the camino and distracted from its value as a pilgrimage route. He would probably argue that more places...- dick bird
- Post #72
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
This probably needs a whole new thread, in fact there probably is one, though I failed to find it (and I can almost hear Kathar1na´s laptop warming up as I write). Gone are the days when a camino route could be established merely by dabbing painted yellow arrows on the side of buildings (and...- dick bird
- Post #70
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
Camino routes are not created - they are recognised, i.e. a route has to have existed as a pilgrimage route at some time in the past and there has to be evidence for this. This evidence must be both documentary, as in the Codex Calixtinus, and physical in the form of buildings such as the...- dick bird
- Post #65
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
I suspect that if they want to do it, they will do it in their own good time, not when we tell them to.- dick bird
- Post #36
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
Be warned, perfectly nice people have come close to losing their reason trying.- dick bird
- Post #28
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
This may sound a bit brutal, but we are kind of whistling in the wind here. We have no control over who issues what certificates or why or to whom they issue them. Would it be a good idea for more churches and cathedrals (because they are the ones who do it) to issue compostela type...- dick bird
- Post #27
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Time for more compostela type certificates?
There is no such thing as ‘the Camino authorities’, or rather a bewildering number of stakeholders, organizations and levels of government who all make their own decisions about what and where a Camino is and rarely agree on the time of day let alone a Camino route.- dick bird
- Post #14
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What makes a pilgrim?
The nationality of the two women is a minor point. More importantly, they were allowed to stay the first night. Equally importantly, the providers of the albergues have a perfect right to determine who uses them.- dick bird
- Post #146
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What makes a pilgrim?
To return to the original issue, under what conditions may an albergue refuse admission? Any conditions they choose. Albergues are not a public service or a public space and the people running them are not public servants. Having said which, they won’t usually turn anyone away who needs a bed...- dick bird
- Post #145
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What makes a pilgrim?
perhaps we are a little more generous these days, or maybe the modern day picaro has adopted the basic step of acquiring a new credencial every time they set out. Hospitaleros are instructed not to judge.- dick bird
- Post #126
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What makes a pilgrim?
That is because there are no official rules. Pilgrim albergues are owned and/or run by a number of different bodies and so long as they comply with Spanish law they can and do make their own rules and sometimes even the hospitaler@ will introduce a rule of their own. That is how it is.- dick bird
- Post #61
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What makes a pilgrim?
It also depends on whether or not they have a credencial. Most hospitaler@s would allow them to use the facilities at least.- dick bird
- Post #41
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What makes a pilgrim?
And there was this, from @Dave last November: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/announcement-creation-of-the-acogida-tradicional-jacobea.84066/ Essentially the same thing but based on the Norte and Primitivo, so there is obvious concern among the associations about how the...- dick bird
- Post #34
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What makes a pilgrim?
I think that is a possibly a tad uncharitable We don´t know their circumstances.- dick bird
- Post #22
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What makes a pilgrim?
On another tack, there are numerous people walking up and down caminos, in particular the Francés who are clearly homeless. They are never refused admission to donativos (or at least the rules say they should not be). For the hospitalero, a pilgrim should be anybody who walks through the door...- dick bird
- Post #16
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What makes a pilgrim?
There are many other pilgrimage destination routes in Spain (the Ignaciano, to Fatima, the Lebaniego, to Rome to mention but a few), so I do not accept the notion that you have to be headed to or from Santiago to be admitted into a pilgrim hostel. Many people, particularly in Spain, complete the...- dick bird
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