- Time of past OR future Camino
- First one in 1977 by train. Many since then by foot. Next one ASAP.
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The guide I used for our 2015 CF was published in 2015 and was the same 12x19 cm.I see that it has become available, and I note that: "The guide is now smaller than previous editions and designed to fit easily into your pocket measuring only 12cm x 19cm and weighing a mere 287 grams."
IMHO, each time the Brierley guide has shrunk, so has the usefulness of its maps.
I love the new size - it fits much better in my cross-shoulder bag. The maps don't seem any different than the longer version. They were never to scale in the first place.IMHO, each time the Brierley guide has shrunk, so has the usefulness of its maps.
What am I missing? My 2017 14th ed. of Brierley is slightly smaller and weighs a bit less than the dimensions that you mentioned for the new edition, @rappahannock_rev . I do agree with @jsalt that smaller sizes are easier to fit into a shoulder bag or a convenient pocket.
The dimensions given, once converted to metric, match my 2015 edition; 12x19 cm.So hopefully it is 20mm shorter than the 2017 edition.
I see that it has become available, and I note that: "The guide is now smaller than previous editions and designed to fit easily into your pocket measuring only 12cm x 19cm and weighing a mere 287 grams."
IMHO, each time the Brierley guide has shrunk, so has the usefulness of its maps.
The dimensions given, once converted to metric, match my 2015 edition; 12x19 cm.
I use the maps only cut down version. Ideal for ‘how long to the next stop’I love the new size - it fits much better in my cross-shoulder bag. The maps don't seem any different than the longer version. They were never to scale in the first place.
I see that it has become available, and I note that: "The guide is now smaller than previous editions and designed to fit easily into your pocket measuring only 12cm x 19cm and weighing a mere 287 grams."
IMHO, each time the Brierley guide has shrunk, so has the usefulness of its maps.
You may be right, my friend! I admit that I haven't actually seen a 2019 edition yet, and that I don't speak metric.... I took the advertising blurb to say that the 2019 books were being shrunk yet again, to something even smaller than the size of the more recent editions, and I could easily have misunderstood.
And please everyone don't get worked up about perceived differences of 3 or 4 mm as to the width.
As will I Colette Z.....my 2012 guide and the subsequent updated one I purchased in 2014, stood me in good stead the entire way of my walks. I appreciated his little notes at the bottom of each page and, all his maps....it does not matter if they were or are completely Not to Scale or as accurate as everyone seems to have a moan about......the bottom line is: Mr Brierly's Guides, are only Guides, they are not the Camino Bible... my Brierly's will always hold a special place in my heart and on my Camino Bookshelf. Thankyou J.B. for all the work you put into these. SusanaweeI will always cherish my Brierley’s 2017 CF guidebook as it guided me, reassured me, coaxed me, encouraged me and yes even unsettled me a bit on my first Camino. It sits in my bookcase tattered and marked up and is like a photo album when I feel nostalgic.
The 2014 map version was bigger and went to Muxia and Finisterre. The 2017 version (same as 2019?) ended in Santiago. Also, when I walked in May and June this year there were many newer albergues missing.My 2019 version arrived in the post yesterday, and I can confirm for everyone the size, number of pages and weight is EXACTLY the same as my last 2018 version (and based on other comments in this thread many years prior to that as well).
I think the only thing they are updating in the guidebook descriptions is the published year and just copy paste the rest from year to year.
But the 2019 edition is 3.5% wider than the 2017 edition! I'll have to buy a new shirt with a bigger pocket!
De acuerdo. I actually printed out enlargements of the pages, so I wouldn't need to locate reading glasses to see them - then could toss them after that day without wincing at tearing up a book. But even the earlier editions were too tiny to read.I see that it has become available, and I note that: "The guide is now smaller than previous editions and designed to fit easily into your pocket measuring only 12cm x 19cm and weighing a mere 287 grams."
IMHO, each time the Brierley guide has shrunk, so has the usefulness of its maps.
I have done the aragones route twice and never had a good map or guide , its hard to recommend this route as it is ,DarrellWhat am I missing? My 2017 14th ed. of Brierley is slightly smaller and weighs a bit less than the dimensions that you mentioned for the new edition, @rappahannock_rev . I do agree with @jsalt that smaller sizes are easier to fit into a shoulder bag or a convenient pocket. The Somport-Aragones route really was not too bad at all, except for some killer attack rocks. The one time that I was briefly lost (missed seeing the arrow), two friendly dogs indicated to me the correct path.
Perhaps we can persuade The Wise Pilgrim to do a guide for the Aragones. I volunteer to help research it!
I like the sound of the feeling of freedom that offers if a little scary.The Brierley Frances guides are pure genius. I have purchased two Brierley Camino Frances guides (‘12 & ‘13) and decided not to use any guide in ‘16 and this year; instead trusting my memory and conversations with other pilgrims. It was a different experience not having an instant answer to my questions (how many kilometers to the next town and what/how many albergues are in my destination town. I rather enjoyed the adventure on the very well marked and supported road to Santiago.
Any Raimond Joos fans? I really like his books. No stages, but lots of information. English editions for the CF are now available in print form.
Peg had a task for a job where she had to go to a fast food restaurant and ask the customers to show where they lived on a map. Even though the restaurant was in their neighbor many were not able to do it.One issue, and this is common to all Camino guide authors, is that when it comes to route directions they will say it instead of show it. If a picture is worth a thousand words surely a map is worth the same. Please: fewer words, more maps - or even photographs of junctions where the correct turn is simply not clear no matter how it is described.
Thanks for the review of Jobs. As for me, I heard good things about Brierley and I was given a chance to look at one on the train to Pamplona. It looked like it had everything I wanted and so I picked up a copy.
Now about your statement:
Peg had a task for a job where she had to go to a fast food restaurant and ask the customers to show where they lived on a map. Even though the restaurant was in their neighbor many were not able to do it.
I see that it has become available, and I note that: "The guide is now smaller than previous editions and designed to fit easily into your pocket measuring only 12cm x 19cm and weighing a mere 287 grams."
IMHO, the last time the Brierley guide shrank, so did the usefulness of its maps.
Couldn’t agree more regarding his CP guidebook, particularly the Lisboa-Porto stretch.Hmm my 2012 CF guide was invaluable as a first time pilgrim and is well used with oodles of notes. The only disagreement I had was the decent to Molinaseca on the road. It shows a gentle maybe 2 turn winding road which turned out to be a multi serpentine descent that dragged on.
2015 the guide for the Camino Portuguese was useless.
So I am not a fan, but do acknowledge that others might be of a different opinion.
Hmm my 2012 CF guide was invaluable as a first time pilgrim and is well used with oodles of notes. The only disagreement I had was the decent to Molinaseca on the road. It shows a gentle maybe 2 turn winding road which turned out to be a multi serpentine descent that dragged on.
2015 the guide for the Camino Portuguese was useless.
So I am not a fan, but do acknowledge that others might be of a different opinion.
Always will be , the rabbit run for spots.. I see the “stages” are exactly the same as 2017 though.
Always will be , the rabbit run for spots.
One of the main reasons I bought the 2019 version was to see if there were any changes to the stages, so I could know where NOT to stay.
Example please Alexslightly different than the 2017/19 book at the onset.
"Oh! Are you allowed to do that?"
I don't get this thing about stages and I must not be the only one, as Sahagun is right in the middle of one of Brierley's small maps and has a fair number of albergue spaces available for the significant number of pilgrims who stay there. They can't all have come off the Madrid. I have stayed in Sahagun twice. I walk my own pace, depending on the topography of the area. I may have to plan to find a bed for the night, but it would never occur to me to do so according to someone else's appropriate distance to walk. Aside from major cities, like Leon and Burgos, where I might spend a day or two, I just walk my own pace and look for accommodation when I am, or expect to be, tired of walking. Do any of you do anything different?
I just added an MMDD page below for those who have never seen it. As a comparison.
I don't get this thing about stages and I must not be the only one,
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