charvolant
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- 2023
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Thanks for the reply. That's one of the reasons I've been trying to make the response as fast as I can make it, so that people who change plans can then say, "well, now what?"I clicked through and I'd probably advise you that this isn't how caminos are planned or walked.
Sometimes you walk a little further because you're feeling energetic, or really want to stay somewhere special. Sometimes you split a stage because it's raining and youre wading through mud. Sometimes after a week of albergues you'll stay in a hotel in a city.
I've been hiding detailed explanations in the help screens attached to most of the input screens. I don't want to deluge people with too much detail but it looks like I haven't got the balance right.I personally use gronze for planning and buen camino while walking.
In the interest of providing good feedback, "day's end cost" shows KM instead of a cost.
Thanks for the reply. It's possible to strongly prefer albergues by altering the preference levels. One of the things I should consider is asking for broad styles of travel up-front (similar to the fitness levels) and conditioning results based on that.But don't think I am currently converted from planning distances using the godesalco planner (even if it doesn't allow for such a number of variant routes for initially planning) then using something like gronze, wise pilgrim buen camino etc for accomodation details. The godesalco has its own issues but allows more control in my choices eg distances, primarily using albergues etc
I'm trying it out. I'm typing up my reactions here as I do so.Hi all,
While walking the Camino last year, I spent a lot of time thinking about how to optimise the stages. We'd started with a guidebook and then switched to the Buen Camino app but I was thinking about how to globally optimise the stages, stretching and compressing things here and there to make the entire trip as "nice" as possible.
I've been doing some coding since then and the result is at https://de-calixtinus.org/
Essentially, it passes through a series of screens where you specify your level of fitness, how far you want to walk each day, what sort of place you want to stop, variants you want to take, places you absolutely have to stop at to see the sights and so on. The result is a plan that lays out each stage for you.
It's reasonably fast -- usually a couple of seconds to generate a plan, up to about ten seconds if thing get complicated -- so you can re-plan while walking.
There's only one route available at the moment, the Portuguese route, with a variety of variants and a side-trip to Fátima, if you want. I've been using the excellent Buen Camino as a major source (with their permission). However, it takes a long time to compile the data so next one is probably Fisterra, so that I can get another one up and running in a reasonable time. Translations are limited to English.
This is still relatively untested, so keep an eye on "computer says so!" problems. If you encounter problems, please add an issue at https://github.com/charvolant/de-calixtinus/issues
The code is available at https://github.com/charvolant/de-calixtinus
Let me know what you think.
I'm trying it out. I'm typing up my reactions here as I do so.
The first thing I noticed is that I was stumped on the very first question.It asks me my preferred travel style. The choices are " Walking", "Walking (Naismith's rule"), and "Cycling". I have no idea what "Naismith's rule" is. I went to the Help page and there was no help there. Consequently, I don't know whether to choose the first or second choice, nor do I have any idea of what the effect will be of choosing wrong. I'm about to go off and google "Naismith's rule" now.
Back now. I have actually seen this before, but didn't remember it. I wouldn't put that here, since I don't really think it affects one's style of travel. Rather, I would put it where you ask people's preferred distances. That seems more intuitive to me, because I think the option is really about whether you want this included in the calculation when calculating the daily distances.
I like the way you can set absolute minimum and maximum, preferred minimum and maximum, and ideal distances. I assume that the default values are based on the fitness level you selected.
After a bit of thought, I can see why you would express Day's End Cost in km but it is really counterintuitive to me. I really want to think of days end cost as how many euros I am spending at day's end, either for accommodations or all in. I suggest changing this to "Day's End Flexibility". I'm not sure how "Preferred Services during Day" interacts with Day End Cost, since I presume the difference between these and "Services at Day's End" is that you've already encountered these services before the end of the day, so why would you walk further to them? If you are walking further to them, presumably they would be in the section above (Services at Day's End).
Having done the calculations, there are a few things that are puzzling me. I thought I was expressing a strong preference for albergues over hostels (4km cost for albergues, 1km cost for hostels, guesthouses or homes, 0 cost for hotels or camping). Yet there were a number of times it put me in hostels when there were albergues well within the cost distance and I would not have been pushed over my absolute maximum distance on that or subsequent days. In some places, it put me in non-albergues where albergues are present (e.g. Ponte de Lima, which has an albergue but it put me in apartments).
I have a feeling it is weighting my preferred (rather than absolute) maximum much higher than my other preferences and is not willing to let the "cost distances" drive it to exceed that preferred maximum. My thinking was that by filling in the cost, I had said I was ready and willing to walk that much more than what I would otherwise walk.
That's my feedback. I hope it helps.
It certainly does. Thanks very much, and on to version 0.2That's my feedback. I hope it helps.
I can't promise anything but, theoretically, I think that it's possible in the model I've built. If you could add something to https://github.com/charvolant/de-calixtinus/issues describing how it would work I'll have a think about it.Well done to create such a useful resource. What I'd like to see is an app that helps pilgrims to find Catholic mass on the Camino. I wish I had the skill to create one myself. It'd make a big difference to bible-bashers like myself
Oh, I'd agree. I'm painfully aware of the Sundays and not open problem myself. But I have to (well, want to) start somewhere. As you said elsewhere, it's a rabbit hole but it's an interesting one to go down, full of doors and tea-parties.Genuinely not trying to be mean. It's just there are so many variables that your app doesn't consider, and so few that it places too much emphasis on.
I have an interest in programming languages. Haskell has always been on my to-do list and this looked like an excellent project to get me over the initial hump. There's a lot of stuff where I really need to go back and re-engineer some stuff based on me getting to the point where things like applicative programming have become more natural. (Monads still look to me as if the response to the old adage, "if you're in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging" was "but if we keep digging, we'll come out on the other side of the world.")And the fact that it's in Haskell is... intriguing.
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