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It's clear to me that bed bugs are (or may be) a problem in some albuerges. Many here advise the use of permethrin. But Wikipedia tells me

Permethrin [...] is classified by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a likely human carcinogen

so I don't think I want to use that. I'm quite determined to live long enough to be able to tell my grandchildren about my camino.

I did find Bed Bug Patrol, which claims to use all natural ingredients. I have not been able to find anything about it on this forum. Does anyone have any experience with Bed Bug Patrol products?
 
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They seem to work very hard to avoid any oversight. Testing has been done only by their self-selected lab. There are no other studies showing that any of the ingredients are effective in repelling or killing bed bugs.

Of sodium lauryl sulfate, the principal ingredient in Bed Bug Patrol, the Material Data Safety Sheet warns of its toxicity: http://www.healthy-communications.com/msdssodiumlaurylsulfate.html

The full EPA position on permethrin:

http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/factsheets/permethrin_fs.htm

Oral administration of permethrin in rats did identify permethrin as a potential carcinogen. The EPA concluded that it was only a weak carcinogen. There are connections to Parkinson's Disease.

Obviously it is a very personal decision to use permethrin or take a chance on bed bug bites. However, buying products of dubious value to split the difference can waste one's money, and supports the industries that thrive on fear, ignorance, and gullibility. Doing that, too, is a personal choice. I, for one, am tired of the marketing industry that keeps taking advantage of me! They once peddled a cigarette filter made of asbestos, the Micronite filter. Corporate profit is placed well ahead of consumers' interests, IMHO.
 

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falcon269,

Thanks for your reply. I'll take some time to read those links.

Rob
 
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Of sodium lauryl sulfate, the principal ingredient in Bed Bug Patrol, the Material Data Safety Sheet warns of its toxicity

Clearly not an option as well.
Actually, the term 'natural' doesn't mean anything, of course: uranium is also natural. (Does anyone know whether uranium helps against bed bugs...? )

But I still don't feel like inhaling permethrin for weeks or months in a row.
Maybe I should just avoid albergues all together. I'm carrying my tent anyway, because I need it in the Netherlands, Belgium and France.
Or just take a chance of being bitten. It's not that they'll chew off your entire leg... Or is it?
 
I am aware of that. But I don't expect to find them in my own single person tent.
 
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I treated the exterior of my sleeping bag and backpack with Permethrin, for a spring Camino this year. I had no problem with bedbugs. I'm sure it's not great to subject yourself to prolonged exposure to an insecticide. But to keep bed bugs at bay for a month, I think it's well worth the small chemical-exposure risk. I intend to walk a new Camino route in 2014 and will douse my equipment again.
 
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I used to fight this logic, but I've given up.
Even with my MCS, this is the best strategy for anyone who does not have an environmental illness.
You really aren't too exposed to the permethrin if it's on the OUTside of your bag.

I also NEVER EVER put my mochila on the floor.
NEVER.
Bedbugs do not fly.
They crawl across the floor.
Take a bungie cord or rope to hang the backpack from a hook, or ask for a chair.
 
It's all a matter of preference. I prefer non-toxic bed bugs over toxic permethrin. If someone else wants to make a different choice, it's fine with me.
 
And I do think the statement could be made that it would be much more environment friendly if the albergues would fight the bed bugs (more effectively), instead of the individual pilgrims.
 
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non-toxic bed bugs over toxic permethrin
If it works, it cannot be non-toxic! It might just be non-studied. Who has studied lavender oil, for example, to see if it really is non-toxic just because it is "natural"? If it scares away a bed bug, there must be something in it!! Aspirin is so toxic that there is an urban myth that it would not be approved by the FDA for over the counter sale if it ever were submitted for approval. Since it is available from numerous plants (white willow is one), it is natural. It also is effective, and toxic enough to kill you.

Permethrin has been studied and approved for use in the U.S. (but rejected in several other countries). It should be used as instructed on the label. It kills bed bugs, and seems to repel them as well. Exposure for thirty days is a reasonable risk tradeoff to me considering the irritating nature of a bed bug attack.



I am not sanguine about toxic chemicals. I have Parkinson's Disease induced by exposure to Agent Orange, a herbicide that was represented as "safe" to humans. It wasn't. Ask a lot of Vietnamese!
 
I guess you misread. I stated the bed bugs are non-toxic.
I'd rather be bitten than poisoned.

As a side note: my walk will last about six months, not one; so for me the odds differ.

And as a side question: how come people tend to get a bit emotional when discussing permethrin? (Search for permethrin threads, and count capital letters and exclamation marks.)
 
From Purdue University: Allergic reaction to bed bug bites:

Non-toxic may be in the eyes of the beholder!
 
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Yep.
And here is the entire paragraph:


Do you own Permethrin shares?

EDIT:
Link to full article: http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/publichealth/insects/bedbug.html
 
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I don't get blisters, and I don't get bitten by bed bugs! I have no commercial connection to anything, including books, products, or blogs (or capital letters).

I presume you are attempting humor.
 
I presume you are attempting humor.

Well, I'm not the attacking kind of person, if that's what you mean.

But I do notice that you intentionally leave out the 2 thirds of a paragraph that put the first sentence of it in an entirely different perspective.
 
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€83,-
There is no evidence that bed bugs are involved in the transmission
There are almost no studies on transmission, so there is no evidence. There was no evidence that ebola existed outside the monkey family. Then there was. The hantavirus was limited to rodents. Then it wasn't. If there are 27 contagions inside of bed bugs, you can bet that eventually one of them will cross populations. Nature does that.

From the University of Kentucky: A previous thread with a full disclosure link from me: http://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/bed-bugs-how-not-to-get-them.4697/

Perhaps you have not been around long enough to know the full bed bug history in the Forum. I try to be comprehensive.
 
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No. I post to inform fully, not to make you look pedantically brilliant.
 

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