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Very useful info, thanks for posting. I can't get to the "source" page due to "privacy issues" (not a secure site) but it's good to know there is good data!To check all Spanish regions for the development of new Covid cases, I recommend a number of links:
First Worldometers, daily update for Spain:
Spain COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Spain Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
In the daily updates of this page (after the graphics), you can click on ”source”, which brings you at this page that shows exactly how many new positives have been identified for the past day in each of the regions.
Next for Castillay y Lyon, you can see how many new positives in the subregions, like Burgos, Leon, Palencia (actually few):
Situación epidemiológica del coronavirus en Castilla y León — Análisis de datos abiertos JCyL
analisis.datosabiertos.jcyl.es
This page shows the situation in colour coding and specific numbers for new Covid cases for each regions for Spain as a whole, per region:
Mapa del coronavirus en España y datos de su evolución
Superada la sexta ola, Sanidad ha modificado la estrategia de vigilancia del coronavirus y se centra en la situación hospitalaria y en la población vulnerable.www.rtve.es
The contact tracing service of Spain is under staffed and under resourced. I certainly know that the family who brought the Virus to the small village of Fonfria, finished the Camino in Santiago and returned to Madrid before they developed symptoms. So "how many are there arriving in Santiago with the virus?", is a difficult question to answer. With a two week period when one can be infectious, yet have no symptoms, it is a huge problem for the constantly moving pilgrim population on route to Santiago. As now, 13 infected residents of the small village of Fonfria, on the Camino, can attest to. Do not think because the Camino is open it is safe. The decision to reopen the Camino has been a purely economic one.With the covid numbers unfortunately starting to take off again in Spain (as in some other countries) do we have any idea how many (if any) of the pilgrims arriving in Santiago de Compostela now which is around 400 a day or enroute to SDC become covid positive during their pilgrimage? Or don't we know this information?
Do you actually have reliable details about this? I found nothing in the news or online, just a presumption that a family from Catalonia could have been the origin as they phoned people in Fonfria (and seemingly nowhere else) to inform them after their return home that they had become infected. On Facebook, I recently read the comments of a hospitalera on the Camino Frances who said that it was a family who had paid a visit to Fonfria, not walking pilgrims.I certainly know that the family who brought the Virus to the small village of Fonfria, finished the Camino in Santiago and returned to Madrid before they developed symptoms
Details and facts regarding the tracking of who spreads the virus remain difficult to know...unfortunately "murky" is a perfect adjective to describe it and that hasn't seemed to change much since March.Covid-19 positive and even then the details have remained murky and difficult to establish as known facts.
As far as I can make out, for Galicia at least but I think it applies to many other areas in Spain and other European countries, there is little backward contact tracing being done now. This may have been different in March when tracing was done for very few cases anyway as there were other more urgent needs and so much less known about Covid-19 than now. So the question of where did you get infected is not really addressed. The aim is to quickly identify recent close contacts (within the last two days or so) of a known infected person and test them and request them to isolate.Details and facts regarding the tracking of who spreads the virus remain difficult to know...unfortunately "murky" is a perfect adjective to describe it and that hasn't seemed to change much since March.
I meant the news reporting about concrete cases in Spain and in particular along the Camino when I said "murky". This isn't a Covid-19 phenomenon. A news article about a local event or incident is published. It gets picked up and spread by news agencies or by national news media. Maybe even translated into other languages. It changes. It doesn't get altered or "faked" on purpose, it just gets edited a bit, some things are left out because they are deemed unimportant for the new audience or they get a little misunderstood because of lack of local knowledge by the far-away new editor. And not only by the editor but also by the people who compose a headline that hopefully catches an audience.murky
You just have. Brava.Nobdy seems willing to address what one can do to prepare for all eventualities: downloading and using the recommended warning app; keeping a contact diary; thinking about what to do if one has first mild symptoms that could be Covid-19 or numerous other ailments and being ready and determined to do it; thinking about what to do while waiting for Covid-19 test results
For me, it isn't the fear of catching the virus that affect my decisions and behaviour...it is the fear of spreading it.You just have. Brava.
Responsible pilgrims should be doing all these things. Irresponsible ones won't, and won't care. That's the challenge.
I am not disagreeing...in actual fact I agree with most of what has been said.We know. You've made that very clear.
And. Most the things that @Kathar1na was speaking of require the kind of forethought, vigilance, and care that do protect others. If someone's doing all that it's likely that they will also be wearing a mask in towns, washing their hands, maintaining social distance, and whatever else is necessary to keep others safe.
Making use of an official warning app (none available yet where I live but available now for download for staying and travelling in Spain) and keeping a contact diary are fairly novel ideas for me personally. And so is the idea of "what would I do if I were away from home and suspect one morning that I may have gotten the virus despite having taken all possible precautions but it may also be just a cold or something gone bad that I ate yesterday".Responsible pilgrims should be doing all these things
It is very important. On the whole it is something that camino walkers do very well...to document where they have been and who they have seen and come into contact with. It is very important to be able to track and trace if anyone should be infected.Making use of an official warning app (none available yet where I live but just become available in Spain) and keeping a contact diary are fairly novel ideas for me personally. And so is the idea of "what would I do if I were away from home and suspect one morning that I may have gotten the virus despite having taken all possible precautions but it may also be just a cold or something gone bad that I ate yesterday". I don't exclude the possibility that it may be a novel idea for one or two others.
I am very concerned about being a spreader of the virus, but I am also equally concerned about contracting it myself. Being in the somewhat older population group I do have a worry as self preservation is paramount to all forms of life. I definately respect the wellbeing and lives of others, but I also care deeply about my own quality of life and it seems some who contract the virus are possibly left with longstanding health issues. I do not want that for myself...If I am honest, I do think I have a "fear" of that. Both carrying and contracting the virus are affecting my decisions equally.For me, it isn't the fear of catching the virus that affect my decisions and behaviour...it is the fear of spreading it.
For me, it isn't the fear of catching the virus that affect my decisions and behaviour...it is the fear of spreading it.
Both, I should think....
QUOTE="Bristle boy, post: 868963, member: 80551"]
....to document where they have been and who they have seen and come into contact with. It is very important to be able to track and trace if anyone should be infected.....
Lots of good suggestions in the above posts, but I for one, do not normally get the details of everybody I come into contact with, so would not be able track and trace them later on.
I would guess that on camino you would have a better record than you would in ordinary life. Many keep blogs and records. Photographs and, of course, the stamped credential.Quoting myself here. I was talking about people you have contact with on the camino. You are right of course, Bristle boy!
There was a post in one of the camino groups on Facebook where an albergue/gîte owner describes how one of the pilgrims/walkers staying at his place knocked on his door in the middle of the night and told him that he was not feeling well: headache, shuddering, tummy ache and so on, and what happened during the next hours and days. I won't go into more details.
It struck me how deeply divided forum/online opinions are: the constant and repetitive "stay at home, don't travel, you are irresponsible" appeals; the belief that it will be alright if one follows the recommendations of hand hygiene, distancing, face masks etc and raving reports about how glorious it is to walk right now in Spain and Portugal.
Nobdy seems willing to address what one can do to prepare for all eventualities: downloading and using the recommended warning app; keeping a contact diary; thinking about what to do if one has first mild symptoms that could be Covid-19 or numerous other ailments and being ready and determined to do it; thinking about what to do while waiting for Covid-19 test results which can apparently take anything between hours and days (in France or Spain) and being prepared to do it.
What a good question.I'm curious to know, if for example you are currently walking the Camino and let's say you are not Spanish and you test positive for Covid-19, what do you do? Is there something in place by the Spanish health authority for you to self isolate and recover... or do you have to find a hotel/health centre who are willing to let you stay until you recover?
As I said...its complicated. You can only give the information to tracers (if there are any) to allow the tracing to take place.I would not have the details to contact people like tel nos, e-mail, etc Exchange these with very few... Photographs and my stamped credential would not help. However as Kathar1na suggests, I would have to get used to keeping a contact diary.
I'm curious to know, if for example you are currently walking the Camino and let's say you are not Spanish and you test positive for Covid-19, what do you do? Is there something in place by the Spanish health authority for you to self isolate and recover... or do you have to find a hotel/health centre who are willing to let you stay until you recover?
Wouldn't this all be easier just to stay home.if you have symptoms that can lead to Cov Sars 2 you should only contact the emergency and assistance numbers of the health authority of the place where you are.
Nobody can host you and you would be legally punished if you independently move to other areas. Even to the hospital or emergency room with your own means. If you can't do it, the owner of the facility you are in or the person who is welcoming your need for help must do it.
Of course, all the appropriate health checks will follow and if it is positive there will be a mandatory quarantine. Where is it? It depends on the severity .... either in the same hospital or in an accommodation facility identified by the health authority in or in a private accommodation (hotel, B&B, ...) that will be suggested to you. In this last case there will be the fiduciary quarantine. And you will still be monitored by the medical staff. It could be entirely your own expense or partially your own expense. Here in Italy, but not everywhere, the difference is paid by the region you are in or by the health company itself. But that's the smallest part!
Surely you will be asked to give information on the places you have visited and the people you have been in contact with. But easy to say ... difficult then to go and "recover" everyone .... even if you have noted the data of those you met. As long as they are willing to give it to you ..... privacy!
From what I understand, the traceability app is useful for the after and not for the before having contracted the virus. Albergue owners must keep track of pilgrims and will be among the first to be contacted.
Like restaurant managers or any other hospitality structure.
For the return to your country of origin there may be other tasks to be faced ..... it depends from state to state and where you are coming from ...
I am writing this to say that from the moment they diagnose you with virus positivity you are in their hands and must follow their rules ...
I'm curious to know, if for example you are currently walking the Camino and let's say you are not Spanish and you test positive for Covid-19, what do you do?
Very good question, and one anyone who walks should seriously consider. @Jomas, your response is sobering, and a very good reality check for those who think going to walk right now (especially if you don't live in Spain) is without potential risk.I am writing this to say that from the moment they diagnose you with virus positivity you are in their hands and must follow their rules ...
Given that all of this is expensive and potentially inconvenient I wonder how many people get sick and do not report it. For a foreigner with a mild case and no scruples, all that is disincentive to say anything - with potentially tragic consequences for any locals or fellow pilgrims who are vulnerable.
@Jomas, your response is sobering, and a very good reality check for those who think going to walk right now (especially if you don't live in Spain) is without potential risk.
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