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I’ll be bringing my Icelandic gloves, just in case.Hello,
SJPP to Roncesvalles is a tough day. I found the walk to O'Cebeiro and the walk to Ponferrada more difficult.
If you sleep warm sack should be okay.
By middle to end of your camino mornings may be chilly lightweight gloves and hat are nice to have.
Buen camino.
Personally, I found the descent to Roncasvalles the most difficult experience I had. Perhaps there more 'difficult' sections in latter stages, but I was more fit, physically and mentally. It's a challenge right at the beginning.
Temperature wise, I don't know that you need a sleeping bag....but a sleeping liner doesn't 'protect against bedbugs'.
Im starting at the same time. I can't wait!
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people.
totally agree with what you say about this Forum. Sometimes I come on just to get away from the unpleasantness so much of the rest of the cyber world. Or the real one, for that matter.
Great advice, thanks!Compeed plasters are designed to be used to treat blisters, not as a preventative. And indeed, they are rather expensive for that purpose. The best tapes that I've found are called dressing retention tapes. Two brands that you can buy in Spain are Omnifix and Hypafix. They are breathable, soft, and stretch to fit the contours of your feet. Use them to prevent blisters - don't leave the tape in your first aid kit until you already have them!
Thanks for all the comments above - I’ve now settled on taking a proper rucksack with a hip belt, but with the same small amount of stuff!Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
The first leg is tough if you walk all the way in one day, mainly because it is Day 1. Many factors can make a day difficult, and it depends on what distances you choose - the stages are not set by anyone but yourself. For example, going up O Cebreiro at the end of a long day must be hard, but I always planned my stops so I could do it in the morning when I was rested. There are 3 or 4 stages that most people would agree are among the most difficult, and SJPP-Roncesvalles is certainly one of them.
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Sleeping bag might be warm. Likely a sack/liner and extra clothes would suffice. If you want defense against bedbugs, you'll have to put DEET on your face, neck and hands/arms that protrude from the bag.
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
I recommend heeding the warnings about stripping skin off your blisters with some products, and then taking all three.
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Sure. Others will advise.
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Yes. I like to carry a spare power pack too.
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
The difference between a "backpack" and a "rucksack" is lost on me. What is the capacity in litres of that backpack? Can you fit everything you plan to take into it?
Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Hi,Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Really enjoyed the thoughtfulness and fullness of your comments - it’s much appreciated!I can't speak to the first question as for both of my Caminos I started in Roncesvalles. Almost everything I've read has suggested it is, though. But perhaps not if you break it into two days at Orisson.
Based on my experience walking in July/August, and what I've heard about the temperatures this year, I don't think you are likely to need a sleeping bag. a sheet liner should be sufficient. But I wouldn't count on it providing any sort of defense against bedbugs. It's there to provide some sort of sheet layer between your body and the mattress, and some sort of thin sheet covering you, as many sleep better with a cover of some sort.
I'm not really a footcare expert. But I can say that the podiatry students at the podiatry clinic in the albergue in Astorga weren't to fond of it. Their technique seemed to be (a) drain the blister (b) wash it out with antiseptic (like an iodine), (c) cover it with a thin layer of gauze under tape. If the blister was big or bad, rather than putting padding over the blister (which would put more pressure on it when you walk), they put extra padding around the blister (to reduce the pressure when you walk).
Apps I found most useful were the Wise Pilgrim and Camino Pilgrim apps. I also visited websites like Gronze.com. And I liked the e-book version of the Village to Village guidebook. I also took the e-book version of The Pilgrimage to Santiago: The Complete Cultural Handbook. I preferred the apps and ebooks, which take less space and weigh less. I know that's a lot of books/apps, but the apps are cheap and I figure given how much I'm spending in time and money on the trip, it isn't a lot to add to the price and makes me better informed to make the most of my pilgrimage.
The quantity of outlets depends on the albergue. We needed a European converter anyways, so we took one that could charge multiple devices so that we could share outlets. My son also carried an external battery/charger, which he found very useful.
Finally, I agree with the earlier poster that you want a pack with a hip belt. If you have extra space: (a) remember that you might sometimes want to put food in there; I'm not sure if you were including that in your calculations of needed space and (b) more importantly, you can fill it up with souvenirs in Santiago, when weight will be less of a concern. I know I wish I had brought more back and I intend to rectify that on my next Camino.
I hope this helps.
Wow. This is getting printed out. I’m very grateful for the time you’ve taken here. So thoughtful and thorough. I’m humbled.Hi, John. . .
I'm going to focus on your Compeed question. Actually, I'd like to expand on it with a post I had written earlier. I hope this was OK. The first repost deals with blister prevention strategies. The second deals with blister treatment.
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Blisters are a product of friction.... often referred to as shear force friction. The skin of your foot, and the sock that is in contact with that area of skin, are sliding and rubbing together.
Strategies for the prevention of shear force friction and blisters have changed and matured over recent years.
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- A properly fitting shoe. In brief, it needs to be long enough and wide enough to accomodate any insoles, orthotics, metatarsal pads, etc, PLUS the socks that you will be wearing, PLUS the increased pressure on the feet from wearing a loaded pack.
- Light padded Merino wool sock designed for walking or backpacking, or the same type of sock in a good synthetic blend. A heavy pad on a sock allows potentially more movement against the skin, takes longer to air out, and takes longer to dry when washed.
- A sock fit that is snug and form fitting to the foot, but not gangrene-inducingly tight. You want the shear force to be between the sock and the interior of the shoe, not the sock and the skin. A snug fitting sock will help to make that happen.
- Allow the sock to move a bit in the shoe. By keeping the shoes a bit looser on the feet, the sock will take the brunt of the shear force. If a shoe is tied snug, then that forces the foot to move more in the sock, which means the sock and skin are absorbing the shear force. An exception occurs on long downhill grades; the shoes need to be tied tight enough to keep your toes from hitting the front of the shoe which can cause injury and trauma to the nail bed and toe joints.
- While there are foot lubricants, from Body Glide and Hiker's Goo to plain old vaseline, the have a fairly short viable working span as the material rubs of the skin and is absorbed by the socks. For prophylactic protection from shear force friction, a long lasting barrier is the better option. The placement of tapes, like Leukotape P, or moleskin-type products, if adhered correctly, will last the whole day.
- To apply tapes and moleskin type products,
- Clean off the area of application with a bit of alcohol to remove grease, dirt, and body oils. A bit of regular hand sanitizer works for this, in addition to hand cleansing.
- Cut a piece of your chosen barrier material to fit the area you want protected; be sure to cut rounded corners rather than square in order to help the material from rolling up away from the skin.
- Apply a thin smear of Tincture of Benzoin to the skin area where the adhesive will stick. This will increase the holding power of the tape or moleskin.
- If the tape or moleskin, etc. is going on top of a blistered area, avoid getting the benzoin on the roof area of the blister, and add a thin coating of ointment/vaseline onto the blister roof, avoiding the surrounding skin area. This will allow removal of the product without hurting the blister wound.
- Place the barrier on the area, taking care to not handle the adhesive; spend a bit of time rubbing the material to create friction so that the adhesive will heat up and adhere more firmly.
- At the end of the day, remove the barrier and use some alcohol to wipe the area that was covered.
- Since fungus (athletes foot) and pathogens splash around in showers, shower shoes are not necessarily preventative to one's feet being exposed or infected. It is helpful to use an alcohol or astringent product applied to the feet after showering.
Blister treatment falls under hygiene level two. So, clean hands ( soap and water, or hand sanitizer, or rubbing alcohol, etc). All that needs to be done is to cleanse hands so that the level of potential pathogens is reduced to below the level which could cause infection to this type of wound.
Also, any product used to dress the blister should be clean as well. It doesn't have to be sterile, but should at least be in its protective packaging.
Preparing the wound for dressing involves two steps.
- If the blister still has it's 'roof', it is recommended to leave the 'roof' intact, but to drain the fluid. Needles are not the ideal tool, as the initial puncture can reseal later, allowing fluid to build up again. A disinfected tool (alcohol or flame from a lighter/match) which can create a slit at the base of the blister near the skin of the foot is best --- a pair of tiny scissors to snip a slit; a disposable scalpel blade or a hobby knife blade as part of a first aid kit.
- If the blister has 'deroofed', then trim off any skin tag which might flap back into the raw open wound.
1. Cleaning the wound by flushing away any debris away with clean water or a mild dilution of hydrogen peroxide. Pouring or squirting the wound is fine, but any dirt particles sticking to the wound MUST be cleared away.
2. A topical antibiotic ointment, not creme, is gently applied after the blister wound is dry. The ointment serves two purposes: it reduces any risk of infection and it prevents any dressing material from inadvertently adhering to the wound.
Blister Dressing
The primary issue is that whatever method of taping, adhering a pad, taping a covering over the pad, etc, getting it to stick and remain in place -- and not sweat or prematurely roll off or wear off -- can be a challenge. Here are a few strategies to help.
1. Use hand sanitizer or alcohol to clean the skin area, not the wound, to which the tape or dressing will be stuck to. Get as much dirt and body oils removed as is possible.
2. To the cleansed skin, apply a thin smear of Tincture of Benzoin. Do not put on the wound. This will multiply the holding power of the adhesive that is used.
3. When the adhesive is finally applied, rub the area of the tape or moleskin or compeed or etc... The idea is to create heat from the friction to allow the adhesive to warm and adhere better.
For dressing a blister, this NOLS video does a good job of describing the methods which work best. For a blister with a roof, I like to place a hydrogel dressing, like Spenco, to the top of the blister and them use Leukotape P or Omnifix or etc... to affix the dressing in place. The hydrogel provides basic cushioning and additional protection, helping the tape to reduce additional damage to the wound.
For a deroofed blister, the addition of the ointment to the open wound is applied prior to the hydrogel being put into place. The hydrogels are package and designed to be sterile. Bandaging is done as previously described.
IF the blistered area, whether roofed or deroofed, is so tender it is uncomfortable to walk on as treated above, then remove the dressing and then redress the blister the same way as before, but with the addition of using the 'doughnut' padding as the NOLS video demonstrates.
Unless additional attention is needed, it is best to leave the dressing in place until the end of the day. Then, remove the dressing, recleanse the wound, shower, cleanse, apply ointment, and redress for evening activities. At bedtime, remove the dressing, recleanse and apply antibiotic ointment and wear a clean sock.
The next morning, carefully evaluate for any sign of infection, and apply ointment and redress the area for a new day of walking. If the wound looks worse, then think about taking at least a day off to let the wound do a bit of healing. Even a half-day off your feet can be of help.
This is good to read too!Hi,
As others have answered some of these fully, I’ll just focus on two: the climbs and phone recharging.
Taken as a whole, I found the Cruz de Ferro climb and descent more difficult than climbing to Roncesvalles. On the downhill part of the first-day climb I took the road, which might be easier on the toes, if not on the knees. The Cruz entails a long climb, depending on where you started, and a long, steep in parts, sometimes harrowing descent over loose scree, bare rock, gullies and mud. (Add to this the cyclists bombing down the path, but I digress).
I had no trouble with charging my phone. Most of the places I stayed in (private albergues for the most part) were well-supplied with outlets, and even little tables or ledges for your phone to take its place among the several already there.
As a side note, I was in a bar in Santiago eating lunch when my phone died. The bartender asked me what kind it is, then took it and plugged it in. It was fully charged when I left, but she was gone. I revisited the next day to thank her in person. My kind of place.
Have fun.
Best wishes,
Paul
Awesomely impressed with this too. I’ve been walking a lot here in Iceland (at least 10km a day for several weeks) and I feel like I’ve put a lot of hardness into my feet, as I’ve not had any blisters or soft spots in ages. But I know this is of a different order of intensity.Think of the prep for blisters in three separate phases:
1) Proactive ...you'll want great fitting shoes/boots/runners and sox that don't have bulky seams. You'll want to consider using some type of anti blister/anti chaff topical . Some swear by vasoline, I personally wear Injini Toe sox so vasoline simply does not wash out well ( and certainly won't wash out in cold alburgue wash station water ) I do use Compeed. Keep in mind 'Compeed" is a brand name, not only a bandage. They make a whole line of items to treat feet. I use the Compeed foot glide religiously before putting on sox and there are other brands that work too. Be sure nails are inspected and trimmed regularly.
2) Active ... Be aware of what's happening with your feet as you are walking. Take the time to stop at intervals and remove your shoes to dry your feet & sox or put on fresh sox. Address any hot spots immediately. I use Leukotape to protect the area in question...others use all kinds of things ( duct tape, moleskin, lambswool, gauze, bandaids...) At this point, you are trying to ward off any potential blisters. Empty your shoes...tiny pebbles can be your nightmare, don't try to tolerate them.
3) Reactive... Too lateYou've got blisters, so time to treat. Always have clean sox ready to place over treated feet. It will drive the nurses and docs among you insane, seeing you put old dirty sox on over treated/infected/damaged feet! Here's where some prefer the other Compeed products used for blisters. While they seal and provide a protective covering with a bit of padding, I've seen many blisters get worse, or skin being torn off because they were left too long. There are lots of schools of thought on blister treatment. I personally use alcohol wipes or betadine gel to sanitize the entire area, and do thread the blister with a sterile needle and thread. The thread should be doubled or thick enough to be an adequate wick and the entire area needs to be covered immediately with sterile dressings /gauze/bandaids loosely to allow both drainage and drying. Try to remove the dressing and thread early in the morning to assess the blister, let dry a bit more, redress properly to walk. Lots of opinions on threading. It can introduce bacteria if not covered immediately, as will any type of cutting or slicing, but draining anything that will only be retraumatized by walking is essential.
So...as you read and as you pack, consider these three pieces of footcare. Ultimately what works best for you is your gold. As you read suggestions, ask yourself, what phase of blisters are they offering advice for.
Walk with joy !
According to my pedometer app, I’ve walked 750km over the last four months here in Iceland, with 300km done in the last five weeks. I feel that’s a good level of preparation.You dont indicate how much pre-walking training you are, or havd, done. Use whatever has worked for you. Some have strong preferences one way or the other. I recommend to go light with comfortable foot were and plenty of water.
Excellent - I already have Booking.com so I’ll combine it with the Only Pilgrims site too.Hi,
Something I forgot to add I my previous post above. It might be worthwhile to get the Booking.com app on your phone, and go the Only Pilgrims web site to get familiar with it.
Both will help you if you need or want to book ahead.
For me, the day from SJPP to Roncesvalles wasn't too badHello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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I didn't think the day from SJPP to Roncesvalles was too tough, mainly because the path was fairly smooth. My worst days were the downhill from Roncesvalles to Zubiri and the day when I came down from the Iron Cross to Molineseca. Both involved steep and extended downhill sections and very rough, rocky terrain. I took it slow and went side to side whenever possible. Many people were injured on those days from moving too fast. I also thought the segment from Herrerias to O'Cebrero was particularly grueling, a very rocky and vertical uphill stretch.Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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A lot depends on temperature when doing the climbs. I personally think the Pyrenees is the toughest. O Cebrerio, take your time and enjoy the marvellous vista. You will reflect on this when you get back home.Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
View attachment 45225
In order of difficulty to me tough but not the toughest, the trail from Honto up to Orisson. Next was the trail up to La Faba on the way up to O Cebreiro but the ones I found the toughest were Rabanal to Foncebaden and Alto de Poio my absolute pet hate. Of course, they are all uphills. Downhills that I would rather not do if they were avoidable are Perdon down to Uterga and the trail down to Acebo after the cruz de ferro. Of course, I am a slow almost 70 year old so if I can do them anyone canHello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
View attachment 45225
In order of difficulty to me tough but not the toughest, the trail from Honto up to Orisson. Next was the trail up to La Faba on the way up to O Cebreiro but the ones I found the toughest were Rabanal to Foncebaden and Alto de Poio my absolute pet hate. Of course, they are all uphills. Downhills that I would rather not do if they were avoidable are Perdon down to Uterga and the trail down to Acebo after the cruz de ferro. Of course, I am a slow almost 70 year old so if I can do them anyone can
Hi John,1. Yes, SJPP to Roncevalles is the hardest stage for us. By the later stages, we have our trail legs and they were not so challenging for us.
2. Sleeping bag definitely too warm that time of year. Take some sort of warm jacket and in the cooler places, sleep in that (I carry a lightweight, 6oz down jacket).
3. Feet stuff is personal. For me, the only stuff the works well is paper tape (available from Amazon). Anything else does not breath enough and causes more problems once applied.
I'll pass on the next two questions--I don't carry a smart phone.
6. That pack is about the size of my wife's pack, but I'm not sure it has a good hipbelt. Trust me, you do not want your load, however light, hanging from your shoulders for 500 miles. My wife has an 11L Osprey Talon--small, but good support and hipbelt. It kills me to see all of the peregrinos who have sent their luggage ahead (thinking they are helping themselves) trudging with daypacks (with no hipbelts or support) hanging off their shoulders that look heavier than my entire pack. So good for you for getting your gear down. One key lesson for me was how little I needed materially to thrive and be happy. But the other lesson was how far 500 miles really is. You can hang a daypack from your shoulders for a day--but not for a month +.
Buen Camino,
Jo Jo
Thanks Alwyn - I’m honoured to have received so much sage advice!@JohnLloyd , what an amazing number, range and quality of responses.
My tuppence worth to you queries, slightly rephased
1) What are the toughest sections?
As many have said above, decsents can be difficult as well as ascents.
These those that I know:
a) Saint-Jean to Roncesvalles - both up and down
b) Alto del Perdon to Uterga - steep descent on loose rubble
c) Cruz de Ferro to Molinaseca - steep decent on rubble - consider the road
d) Herrias to La Laguna - just steep ascent - surface mostly OK,
e) Fonfria to Tricastella - steep decent on dodgy surfaces
f) the approach to Portomarin
I do tough sections better early in the day and not later, when tired
2) sleeping bag? quite personal - bed bugs not an issue for me
3) Compeed? YES
4) Scan all the guides you can get and put them on you phone (I prefer a tablet), for personal use only.
5) Albergues: enough plug sockets? Generally yes. But help yourself and your room mates by taking both a charger with universal mains sockets opposite the pins, and a long 3 metre cable.
@JohnLloyd , kia kaha (take care, be strong, get going)
Great advice! Thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail.Here are some my opinions.
1. Yes, SJPdp to Roncesvalles is hard stage but I’m sure it is not harder than what you expect. The first part, from SJPdp to Refuge Orisson, is little bit stiff. After that, yes, it is uphill but not that stiff. I agree others who said it is hard because it is a first day. And it is only little over than 25km. You can enjoy that with nice view.
2. I only walked from May. Pass!
3. There is no absolute solution about the blister. The best way I think is to listen carefully what your foot says. Most of blister caused from friction. So do not disregard when your foot says 'it is hot', and stop, check the place out, and dry your feet. I recommend to put moleskin on that place where you feel hot. After few days walking, you may know where easily goes to hot. Then you can prepare it before you leave in the morning. Doing like this, I never got any single blister through my 3 times Camino.
4. Except the map you get from SJPdP pilgrim office, I recommend to bring OSMAND app for mobile. It is offline map and you can use it free(even you drive after Camino, you can use it as a navigation). Just download the Spain map. It doesn’t say this way is the Camino Frances but it can lead you on the correct way. Just set the destination of the day and make it navigate by foot. It will show you the shortest way to be there and you can realize it is almost as same way as Camino Frances. I’m sure you never lost even you leave early morning in the darkness. Also, it can help you to find where the grocery store is, where the albergue is, etc.
5. I couldn’t say it is enough but I never have any serious problem in the most albergue. If you need to charge more than one, I recommend to bring back up battery. When you goes out, just plugged-in that battery. It will give you not only the power but also peace in your mind than leave the phone in the albergue.
6. What kind of and what size of backpack is up to your needs. I strongly agree that backpack should have nice hip(waist) belt. If me, I will absolutely choose 20 pound bag with hip belt than 5 pound bag without hip belt.
Buen Camino!
Something to watch out for, then!>> Alto de Poio my absolute pet hate.
I’ll second that emotion.
I was pretty tired of uphill walking by the time I got to Alto de Poio, but I was so glad to get there that I stopped to order the (what seemed like) buckets of fresh orange juice all these pilgrims were drinking. I left my walking pole on a chair there. I certainly could have used it
later on. The juice was good, but that’s about all that I can say good about that place.
Cheers,
Paul
Thanks Bill! I hope our paths might cross at some point, although you’ll be two days ahead of me!Hi John,
Jo Jo is right on point. The first stage is challenging from the standpoint of the climb AND the descent. I'm starting in SJPdP on August 21 and decided to break the first day with an overnight in Orrison. I used a sleeping bag on my first Camino Frances and I was very hot. A silk bag liner (treated for bedbugs) was much more accommodating for me. If you are staying in albergues, electric sockets can be scarce. I was able to find time to recharge. If you are using an Apple product, they make a nifty adapter. The lighter the backpack the better the Camino experience. Keeping it simple will pay great dividends. Buen Camino! Bill
Thanks Marylynn - good luck with your walk later in the year.I agree 100%...I am slow and careful, and over 70, but I don't want to break my ankle and never walk the Camino again! In November, I plan to walk on the road from the Antenas refreshment stand down to Acebo and to Molinaseca, as there were almost no cars passing by when I walked there in the spring and it seemed safe.
Thanks CindyJo - good advice!Just a quick possible suggestion on blister prevention. I’ve walked a number of caminos and have always used 2Toms. It’s a roll on (like a deodorant) that you put on before walking in the morning. On long or difficult days, I would also treat my feet mid-day. It can be purchased on Amazon. Never had a blister except the first day on the del Norte when I forgot to put some on and walked an excited 26 miles. Buen Camino
Wise pilgrim app was excellent for us. If you use this app you won't really need Brierly. Could read him beforehand and take some notes.Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Spa girl, you are awesome! I am still in wonderment with your reply to Tilly, who was worried about her ability to travel on after losing her jobYou are both spot on about this forum.
Its become my happy place.
Im extremely thankful to those pilgrims who share their knowledge, experience and love of the camino so freely.
Thanks to everyone.
Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Hi - few thoughts. I start late Aug on 4th camino, and although I’ve loved my 20 ounce sleeping bag in past Sept caminos, got a $25 polyester sleep sack with full zip for this year. Bag will likely be far too warm, yes - if you get cold late Sept/Oct, just buy a bag, they can be found cheaply in cities. Give your sack a good spraydown of permethrin, bedbugs accumulate over the season and you will likely encounter them.Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Awww ....shucks- thanks!Spa girl, you are awesome! I am still in wonderment with your reply to Tilly, who was worried about her ability to travel on after losing her job
Thanks Baba JohnWell John Lloyd I think I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said.
I just use the Brierly guide book but, I'm 'old school' and not intrigued by electronics. I like books, but that's me.
The suggestion to set yourself up to tackle more strenuous ascents/descents in the morning is a good idea if it fits your schedule.
You didn't mention a time frame that you will be walking in. Hopefully you have booked in some downtime. Some like to take a day in a city and become tourista. Some would suggest after a difficult day rest on the next. Last year after coming down from the Cruz de Fero into Molinaseca I got up early the next morning and by noon was pretty tired on a section that really is not that difficult. For me that would have been a good layabout day.
Also, on that theme, between St. Jean and Pamplona take it slow. Rest, take your socks off and dry your feetand socks. It is in the early days of the walk when pilgrims have a lot of energy and want to keep up that they can strain. In 2015 I had blister problems and had to bus from Pamplona to Puente La Reina. The nurse said no camino for three days.
If you have the luxury of time spend it. Short days (10km) might present themselves as you talk with other pilgrims, spend time in an historic setting, or just take extra long rests/naps by a river.
I am a big proponent of taking your time and not rushing. If you have the time...
Peace be with you.
Buen Camino
Hi Paul, is the Only Pilgrims a web site or an app?Hi,
Something I forgot to add I my previous post above. It might be worthwhile to get the Booking.com app on your phone, and go the Only Pilgrims web site to get familiar with it.
Both will help you if you need or want to book ahead.
I walked with a very funny Hungarian women for a few days, who referred to every bad patch of road as a “”@&$ Molineseca Road “!As far as toughness, down (in my opinion) is way harder than up, so the descent into Zubiri, Acebo, Molinaseca & Portomarin were tough. We just missed the rain at Zubiri, and that would have been tougher.
My wife swears by Hiker's Wool she found online. I think it comes out of New Zealand. Check it out online. We met some Canadians who purchased someplace in Canada as well.
Wise Pilgrim was a great app to use.
Take it easy - don't be in a rush - let others pass you by. Your feet and tendons will like the slower pace.
My comments are inserted above.Hello all
Firstly, thank you all for being part of a rare thing - an online community that seems to be made up almost entirely of positive and life-affirming people. I’m an admin for a 7k Facebook group and we could learn a few lessons from here.
It’s my first Camino and so I’m grateful for all the fantastic resources available here - the stage profiles, the albergue guides, the packing lists and so on. Amazing - they’re all downloaded and made available offline too.
My Facebook group is often plastered with repetitive messages on the same topics and questions, so I’ve done my best to try and research my own queries, but there are a few that could do with additional wisdom and suggestions from you lovely people.
So, with your forbearance, here I go.
Is St Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles actually the toughest of all the stages?
Or is it much later on, when Alto de Poio appears? Or somewhere else?
It all depends on what your body is up to on any given day. Personally, I thought the descent into Molinaseca was harder.
I’m starting on August 23rd and I am thinking a sleeping bag may be too warm for me - a sheet sack/bag to provide a defence against bedbugs should be enough. Do you agree?
You are the best judge of this.
Is Compeed more or less effective than toe tape or blister pads? Or are all three recommended?
I’d bring tape and Compeed. The tape is useful with hot spots. Compeed is useful if a blister has formed and the roof is intact.
Is there a particular mobile app that might augment my Brierley?
Wise Pilgrim Camino app. It is great.
Do the albergues generally have enough plug sockets to help keep the phone charged up?
If you bring a charger unit with multiple USB outlets you should be okay.
Finally, I think I can get everything I read is required into this backpack, rather than a rucksack.
Most people find a 30-38 liter pack is the right size. Mine is 36l.
Am I being too reductionist?
I await the wisdom of this crowd...
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Absolutely agree I always use Hypafix as a preventative tape and have never had a blister over 3 Camino’sCompeed plasters are designed to be used to treat blisters, not as a preventative. And indeed, they are rather expensive for that purpose. The best tapes that I've found are called dressing retention tapes. Two brands that you can buy in Spain are Omnifix and Hypafix. They are breathable, soft, and stretch to fit the contours of your feet. Use them to prevent blisters - don't leave the tape in your first aid kit until you already have them!
Injinjis and a second wool sock have measurably reduced my blisters, however, I still get them. I'm shy of 5 weeks still I leave and am still trying different methods to prevent huge blisters (36 miles in 3 days and mostly ascents and I got a HUGE half dollar size one on my heel), changing shoes, trying Altra trail shoes instead of my boots, and awaiting leukotape from A,azpm. Medical cloth tape (J & J) has been helping but I have not gotten to the holy grail yetI found Injinji liner toe socks to be perfect for blister control...I had no blisters whatsoever.
Ive used leukotape P for 3 camino's and have been blister free. Trick is to take every morning 10 minutes to put it on carefully without wrinkles ( i put 2 strips on heels and tape the outer 2 or 3 toes and tape the ball of my feet) and add during the day if you feel a hot spot coming up right away. Don't wait 10 minutes.......that might be too late . Good luckInjinjis and a second wool sock have measurably reduced my blisters, however, I still get them. I'm shy of 5 weeks still I leave and am still trying different methods to prevent huge blisters (36 miles in 3 days and mostly ascents and I got a HUGE half dollar size one on my heel), changing shoes, trying Altra trail shoes instead of my boots, and awaiting leukotape from A,azpm. Medical cloth tape (J & J) has been helping but I have not gotten to the holy grail yet- I've been using moleskin, tape and compeed on blisters (open)...I am sure that the Camino will teach me a lot about my feet.
Thank you! Do you use it directly on the skin or use the "cover all with the bandage" they send with it? I agree about waiting....when your feet cry out for help - DO NOT make them wait.Ive used leukotape P for 3 camino's and have been blister free. Trick is to take every morning 10 minutes to put it on carefully without wrinkles ( i put 2 strips on heels and tape the outer 2 or 3 toes and tape the ball of my feet) and add during the day if you feel a hot spot coming up right away. Don't wait 10 minutes.......that might be too late . Good luck
Directly on feet. Just be careful taking it off. You don't want to tear skin. it's just tape. NOT bandageThank you! Do you use it directly on the skin or use the "cover all with the bandage" they send with it? I agree about waiting....when your feet cry out for help - DO NOT make them wait.
Does this app work off line?Re. phone app, I like WisePilgrim.
For the Wise Pilgrim app, the information about the locations, albergues, etc. works off line, but the maps do not. For maps that work off live you will want the companion Wisely app.Does this app work off line?
That's why I prefer the Buen Camino app. It's much better integrated.For the Wise Pilgrim app, the information about the locations, albergues, etc. works off line, but the maps do not. For maps that work off live you will want the companion Wisely app.
I like that! “Get a practice blister”, makes perfect sense.What is the best way to treat a blister?
Go get a "practice" blister at home and try out your remedy! If you are not getting a blister from practice walks, your walks are probably not long enough.
Don't wait until your are in Roncesvalles to learn how to treat your feet.
Your Camino will be much more enjoyable if you are in good physical condition for hiking.
-Paul
I didn't get blisters on my long practice walks - or on the Camino, because I learned to recognize hot spots and prevent blisters before they happened during those training walks!If you are not getting a blister from practice walks, your walks are probably not long enough.
It is really nice to have a pack that is a bit roomier than you need. That makes it much faster to find things and to pack up again in the morning. The pilgrims I met that had a tightly packed pack were very slow as everyone had to be carefully arranged to get it back in the pack.That’s really good advice, Jo Jo.
I reduced my apartment to two bags of stuff in order to come and live in Reykjavik for the spring and summer, so I’ve got pretty good at simplifying and deleting stuff this year and I liked the idea of taking it down a notch to the backpack.
But the absence of a hip belt had concerned me and you’ve confirmed it now.
I’ve got a 30 litre rucksack- I’ll just transfer it all into that and avoid the temptation to fill it...
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