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https://www.theguardian.com/society...trictions-study-increased-cardiac-arrest-risk
Having noticed how often Ibuprofen is mentioned in posts as being a readily available panacea to Camino related pains, and how many older people with joint problems (myself included) are walking, I think this article is worth considering.
@KGLG thanks for posting this as I see on all these sites people telling others to take ibuprofen for everything. I have arthritis and my doctor gave me vioxx years ago to take. What a wonderful drug, pain was gone but then it was pulled off the market because it was causing heart attacks. Well at 50, I was one of those lucky ones who had a heart attack and now am the proud owner of 4 cardiac stents. Every time I respond about being cautious about taking NSAIDS, and especially if you have cardiac issues or family history of it, I get negative comments about it’s sold over the counter so it’s harmless. It is not harmless and neither is acetaminophen (Tylenol). People be careful. And my cardiac stents and I have done 3 Caminos.My main reason for posting was because of the assertion that there is a possible increased risk of heart attacks, even after a couple of weeks use. For elderly and vulnerable people it pays to be forewarned, I think, even if the correlations have not been established in a definite manner. Despite long term chronic pain issues from previous accidents and surgery, I am not a pill taker myself and am much more versed in natural therapies and management techniques than medications. Yet, at 62 with some minor angina issues creeping in, I was looking at the evidence for aspirin in emergencies, and came across this and felt it was appropriate to share for people to make up their own mind.
Yes, you are so right@KGLG thanks for posting this as I see on all these sites people telling others to take ibuprofen for everything. I have arthritis and my doctor gave me vioxx years ago to take. What a wonderful drug, pain was gone but then it was pulled off the market because it was causing heart attacks. Well at 50, I was one of those lucky ones who had a heart attack and now am the proud owner of 4 cardiac stents. Every time I respond about being cautious about taking NSAIDS, and especially if you have cardiac issues or family history of it, I get negative comments about it’s sold over the counter so it’s harmless. It is not harmless and neither is acetaminophen (Tylenol). People be careful. And my cardiac stents and I have done 3 Caminos.
Adding to the discussion: Ibuprofen may be readily available and generally safe to use, but NOT in the quantities some take it for numerous days. Some pilgrims are taking double doses three-4 times a day PLUS rubbing ibuprofen gel all over themselves. It is toxic at some point, especially if dehydrated, or with other medical issues. My doctor has prescribed a safer, more effective anti-inflammatory that is safe to use with the ibuprofen gel and works well with one morning and one night dose ( or less ) . As a nurse, I highly recommend a visit to one's doctor for medical clearance, to address any concerns, to seek advice to manage aches and pains. It's not one size fits all. ( my other experience is that the ibuprofen given to me at a pharmacy was stronger than we get here over the counter and it was not enteric coated or buffered...so tough on the stomach )https://www.theguardian.com/society...trictions-study-increased-cardiac-arrest-risk
Having noticed how often Ibuprofen is mentioned in posts as being a readily available panacea to Camino related pains, and how many older people with joint problems (myself included) are walking, I think this article is worth considering.
As the saying goes, correlation is not causation. I do agree that you need to be careful with all meds however.
Just remember that alcohol and paracetamol/acetaminophen/Tylenol can be a toxic combination.I agree. Nothing wrong with regular infusions of Vino Tinto! As long as you're sober enough to keep walking the next day.
Just remember that alcohol and paracetamol/acetaminophen/Tylenol can be a toxic combination.
Hi Trecile,Just remember that alcohol and paracetamol/acetaminophen/Tylenol can be a toxic combination.
It can also cause a perforation (or hole) in your stomach. I speak from experience. Not in Spain, but in the US. Needed emergency surgery. Take with food and don't over use.https://www.theguardian.com/society...trictions-study-increased-cardiac-arrest-risk
Having noticed how often Ibuprofen is mentioned in posts as being a readily available panacea to Camino related pains, and how many older people with joint problems (myself included) are walking, I think this article is worth considering.
Dear Podie,I'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
My son is a doctor. When in pain in Spain this spring (Camino Mosarabe) he said that you can take up to 3 grams of painkillers per day. But if you have an inflammation, Voltaren is much better.Dear Podie,
800mg!!!
Far too much and I don't care who gave out that information....doctor or not!
Best wishes
Annette
Hi AlexMy son is a doctor. When in pain in Spain this spring (Camino Mosarabe) he said that you can take up to 3 grams of painkillers per day. But if you have an inflammation, Voltaren is much better.
If your doctor is giving you advice, I would go with it. If you aren't sure whether to trust the advice, get a second opinion from another doctor (preferably after an examination and they get some medical history from you). Don't take advice of people on the Internet over qualified medical professionals that know your situation better. I say this as someone who thinks he had real problems from ibuprofen. Many people don't.I'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
I'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
Hi Alex
Yes I do agree that voltarol is better generall for more severe pain
I will take ibuprofen myself if needed as it doesn't affect my stomach adversely
I am also aware .......
And I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread ...that ibuprofen is extremely highly addictive ....as is any medication containing codeine (constipation too)
With best wishes alex
Annette
Here is a link to an article on the British Heart Association’s website addressing this study. It gives a good analysis of the study that can be understood by laypeople. The risk that was found applies to elderly patients who already have heart issues. The risk of NSAIDs in such patients has been known by doctors for a long time. Unfortunately, the news coverage was sensationalized.
JillGat,
I never said that ibuprofen contains codeine since it does not!!
I used the words "as is" ...meaning other medications such as codeine
And even though ibuprofen is a non narcotic drug, it can become addictive psychologically ......and as a nurse, I have seen this many times.
I will leave this subject alone now as arguments on this forum are not beneficial to anyone!!
Also the capital letters JillGat are not necessary as I am....so far....able to read small case!!!
With best wishes to you
Annette
That makes a general good practice! I try not to take a "second bite of the apple" on most threads, particularly if it is argument. A second post to inform or clarify is worthwhile, but generally I try to state my case, then be quiet. I confess that I am not always successful.arguments on this forum are not beneficial to anyone!!
I recently researched Voltaren on Amazon, etc here in the US, but was unable to find it. I thought it was an over the counter drug as someone on the Camino had given me a small tube last year. Anyone know if it's only available in Europe?My son is a doctor. When in pain in Spain this spring (Camino Mosarabe) he said that you can take up to 3 grams of painkillers per day. But if you have an inflammation, Voltaren is much better.
It’s over the counter in Australia, perhaps it goes under a different name in the US.I recently researched Voltaren on Amazon, etc here in the US, but was unable to find it. I thought it was an over the counter drug as someone on the Camino had given me a small tube last year. Anyone know if it's only available in Europe?
800mg of Ibuprofen is the standard prescription level strength. I've taken that much for severe pain over a few days. To answer your question: Believe your doctors over "doctor wannabes" on the Internet. The average person giving free medical advice probably never even took a college class in Chemistry, Pharmacology, or Biology. Yet everyone is an "expert". Do your own research and discuss your questions with your medical doctor (not the nurses). That's MY adviceI'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
JillGat,
I never said that ibuprofen contains codeine since it does not!!
I used the words "as is" ...meaning other medications such as codeine
And even though ibuprofen is a non narcotic drug, it can become addictive psychologically ......and as a nurse, I have seen this many times.
I will leave this subject alone now as arguments on this forum are not beneficial to anyone!!
Also the capital letters JillGat are not necessary as I am....so far....able to read small case!!!
With best wishes to you
Annette
It is diclofenac gel in the US. I have a tube of it here at home that was prescribed to me. It's a higher dose than what was available in Spain and yes-prescription only.I recently researched Voltaren on Amazon, etc here in the US, but was unable to find it. I thought it was an over the counter drug as someone on the Camino had given me a small tube last year. Anyone know if it's only available in Europe?
In the USA it is a prescription drug. In Spain some strengths are over-the-counter.It is diclofenac gel in the US. I have a tube of it here at home that was prescribed to me. It's a higher dose than what was available in Spain and yes-prescription only.
Good advice!Believe your doctors over "doctor wannabes" on the Internet
I'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
An alternate anti inflammatory that actually helps and even promotes healing is curcumin. Here is an interesting study that suggest the helpful effects of the substance...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20594343Be careful with all NSAID, they can make arthritis worse by slowing down the healing process. In recent years, there have been numerous scientific papers showing this... https://www.regenexx.com/can-nsaids-make-arthritis-worse/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26564576
Hi Patrick,An alternate anti inflammatory that actually helps and even promotes healing is curcumin. Here is an interesting study that suggest the helpful effects of the substance...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20594343
I'm 62 and hike a lot. I sometimes have knee pain and/or back pain, and I've been to my primary doctor as well as an orthopedic specialist. BOTH of them recommend I take 800 mg of ibuprofen one hour before exercise. So how do you know who to believe?
I recently researched Voltaren on Amazon, etc here in the US, but was unable to find it. I thought it was an over the counter drug as someone on the Camino had given me a small tube last year. Anyone know if it's only available in Europe?
It means Curcumin can help your body regrow cartildge in layman terms.Interesting. Curcumin is a compound of tumeric (the spice), which has been used for many centuries in India medicinally for a variety of conditions. Of course, like all natural, herbal medicines, one is never sure what the dosage is when taking the whole herb. The curcumin content of turmeric is not that high (around 3% by weight, I'm reading here). And, by itself, curcumin is poorly absorbed by the body.
But this looks like promising stuff, so I've been reading up on it.
The article cited by Patrick2by4 above talks about "chondrogenic differentiation of mesenchymal stem cells", which - for most of us - is pretty obtuse. Here are a couple of other articles about it that were more readable, at least to me:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12676044
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-turmeric#section3
https://www.supplementhq.com/best-curcumin-supplement/
Rather than just huffing tumeric from my spice cabinet, I'm going to look for
a product that also contains piperine (BioPerine is the trademarked name), which is the substance that enhances curcumin absorption by 2,000%. I think piperine is related to black pepper
Without piperine, most of the curcumin just passes through your digestive tract.
Thanks for this, Patrick2by4
Hi Trecile,Does anyone know where I could get turmeric capsules in Santiago?
Thanks for the suggestions. I'llook tomorrow.Hi Trecile,
I did a Google search and saw one that Johnny Walker had recommended in
Calle de Santiago de Guayaquil
15702
Next to the bar Isla
That was back in 2012 though
Maybe a para farmacia might do them
Sorry can't find anything else
Best wishes
Annette
I am a believer in Advil! I took up to 800 mg on an average day.... and I was told to get the creme, Voltrane(?). I did and rubbed that on the hurting spots and never had a problem.... might be in my genes. My Mom ( who is 88) takes 2 Advil every day and has never had a problem. I guess it depends on the individual. I don’t take Advil unless something is hurting really bad and then I depend on it and it works! Just do what is best for you.
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