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how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route.
I can’t seem to find any threads with information about pairing the Camino from Le Puy and continuing on to do the Camino Norte/Primitivo. I will be beginning my 2nd camino May 5, 2018 in Le Puy and would like to know how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route. Are these two routes compatible to walk together or would I be putting two physically difficult walks together that may be asking a lot from my body. After walking the CF this year my body was not ready to stop walking so thinking I would be able to put these two cominos together. Can anyone give me their experiences of how to get from SJPP to Iran or ??? Did you find theses two caminos are enjoyable to walk together if you have the time?
Jill, this is exactly what I was hoping for! Thank you so much!Hi, La Voie de la Nive is a route between Bayonne and St Jean Pied de Port. From Bayonne you can continue to Irun.
http://www.xacobeo.fr/ZE1.11.Aqu.Nive.htm
http://verscompostelle.be/guides%20gratuits/Bayonne-Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port%20FR2016.pdf
http://vppyr.free.fr/pages_transversales/voie_nive/vnive_pratique.php?tem=pratique
Jill
Lorna,Jill, this is exactly what I was hoping for! Thank you so much!
Time permits me from reading all of your responses at the moment but I did this with five of my six children a year ago!I can’t seem to find any threads with information about pairing the Camino from Le Puy and continuing on to do the Camino Norte/Primitivo. I will be beginning my 2nd camino May 5, 2018 in Le Puy and would like to know how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route. Are these two routes compatible to walk together or would I be putting two physically difficult walks together that may be asking a lot from my body. After walking the CF this year my body was not ready to stop walking so thinking I would be able to put these two cominos together. Can anyone give me their experiences of how to get from SJPP to Iran or ??? Did you find theses two caminos are enjoyable to walk together if you have the time?
Thanks, Jill!!! You have definitely given me motivation to walk a little further. I'll see how my body feels when I have to make that decision!Ah, but then you’d miss:
Bayonne
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Bidart
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Guethary
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St Jean de Luz
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And the ferry from Hendaye to Irun
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I loved the walk between Bayonne and Irun.
Jill
You will never regret it!Thanks, Jill!!! You have definitely given me motivation to walk a little further. I'll see how my body feels when I have to make that decision!
My wife and I intend to do exactly this starting on or about May 10 (so five days behind you). Our idea (well mine really) is to do the GR10 through the Pyrenees. Kel may join me over these few days, or may spend an extra couple of days in St Jean/Bayonne/Irun. I'm looking forward to the challenge of three or four days in the Pyrenees. I would expect that having walked for about a month already, that physically we'll be up for it. It will be the mental/spiritual effort required that will decide what we do.I can’t seem to find any threads with information about pairing the Camino from Le Puy and continuing on to do the Camino Norte/Primitivo. I will be beginning my 2nd camino May 5, 2018 in Le Puy and would like to know how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route. Are these two routes compatible to walk together or would I be putting two physically difficult walks together that may be asking a lot from my body. After walking the CF this year my body was not ready to stop walking so thinking I would be able to put these two cominos together. Can anyone give me their experiences of how to get from SJPP to Iran or ??? Did you find theses two caminos are enjoyable to walk together if you have the time?
I hope this will help convince you that your theory is correct.My wife and I intend to do exactly this starting on or about May 10 (so five days behind you). Our idea (well mine really) is to do the GR10 through the Pyrenees. Kel may join me over these few days, or may spend an extra couple of days in St Jean/Bayonne/Irun. I'm looking forward to the challenge of three or four days in the Pyrenees. I would expect that having walked for about a month already, that physically we'll be up for it. It will be the mental/spiritual effort required that will decide what we do.
Anyway, we may cross paths somewhere in France. Bon chemin and all that!
Thanks for the encouragement! Really, there's a couple of hard bits out of SJPP up to Orisson, then the downhill into Roncesvalles, but the bulk of the middle section is only hard because of what came before (and what didn't come before in terms of training...)I hope this will help convince you that your theory is correct.
My first time out over to Roncesvilles I was dying leaving SJPP.
This last time with Le Puy under my belt I kept telling my children, "wait, up ahead you'll start struggling"...we bounced on up and over never having an ounce of trouble. Once we got over to Roncesvilles we came back to SJPP to head North to the Norte.4
I can’t seem to find any threads with information about pairing the Camino from Le Puy and continuing on to do the Camino Norte/Primitivo. I will be beginning my 2nd camino May 5, 2018 in Le Puy and would like to know how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route. Are these two routes compatible to walk together or would I be putting two physically difficult walks together that may be asking a lot from my body. After walking the CF this year my body was not ready to stop walking so thinking I would be able to put these two cominos together. Can anyone give me their experiences of how to get from SJPP to Iran or ??? Did you find theses two caminos are enjoyable to walk together if you have the time?
I can’t seem to find any threads with information about pairing the Camino from Le Puy and continuing on to do the Camino Norte/Primitivo. I will be beginning my 2nd camino May 5, 2018 in Le Puy and would like to know how I would transition at SJPP to get onto the Norte route. Are these two routes compatible to walk together or would I be putting two physically difficult walks together that may be asking a lot from my body. After walking the CF this year my body was not ready to stop walking so thinking I would be able to put these two cominos together. Can anyone give me their experiences of how to get from SJPP to Iran or ??? Did you find theses two caminos are enjoyable to walk together if you have the time?
those routes are definitely compatible and quite spectacular. I walked this combination last year and loved it.
for the podiensis - norte link, there are several options, most of them outlined in the posts above.
I walked it lake this, following gr-10 most of the way:
https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trai...ed-de-port-saint-etienne-de-baigorry-17988679
a short day in preparation for the big day tommorrow. this is gr-10 with a combination of other routes and roads because I wanted to cut out the climb and descent of the mountain (I can't remember the name at the moment).
https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/camino2016-045-saint-etienne-de-baigorry-bidarray-17989159
a spectacular day, worth every sweat. a steep but good climb of almost 1000m of altitude difference, then following a ridge, and a steep and stony descent for about the same altitude difference. the ridge is by no means flat, there is one very short section where a scramble is necessary, leading down the the lowest saddle where there is the only water on the route - a small source that is usually at least trickling. the view all along spectacular. did you know that pic d'iparla is the highest summit in both basque countries? I didn't. I heard there is an alternative to the steep stony descent, but the first part is unmarked and you probably need to meet someone who knows it. gite d'etape for solo travellers is the one at the far end of the village, but it has a fine view of the half of the day's route. I got a single room. there's a kitchen. don't miss the interesting church.
definitely not recommended in bad weather, rain or snow. in this case, chemin de la nive follows a small road along the valley to the east of the ridge all the way to bidarray. this also saves a day of walking.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-046-bidarray-ainhoa-17989675
the tricky part of the day is the climb to col d'artzatey which should be avoided if wet. part of the route is very eroded (it was being reparied in 2016), there are iron rails, and part is very exposed. I didn't feel uneasy at any time, but some might. if that is that case, there is an alternative chemin de contrebandiers (or sth like that) that follows a forest road to col de méhatché. the rest is beautiful and if you have enough energy, you can even extend the day to sare (but gite d'etape there is quite a way out of the town). gite d'etape ok, with kitchen.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-047-ainhoa-olhette-17990191
the first part to sare no problems at all. then a climb to la rhune, which is mostly ok, just a short section is very stony and probably unpleasant if wet. when crossing the wide saddle, pay attentions to waymarks, as may routes and paths intersect here. the descent is a bit long. manttu baita is no longer a gite d'etape. the new chambres d'hotes - gite d'etape is just before the main road in olhette, trapero baita. there are two small rooms with very wide bunks and a swimming pool. half-pension only.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-048-olhette-irun-17990592
this was a rainy day, so I completely avoided gr-10 and cobbled together sth from local roads, lanes and paths. I am not sure if the lane at 5.8km is public or private, I encountered a fox hunt there, but I had no problems passing by.
gite d'etape in hendaye closed in 2016. youth hostel in irun was also closed for renovation. but albergue de peregrinos in irun is very nice. there is also albergue juvenil at the other end of hondaretta, with a route signposted directly up to ermita de guadalupe.
I don't know if I will ever get to walk this way (and I am sure I would not want to encounter a fox hunt!), but I think @caminka deserves a huge shout out of appreciation for all the times she has helped forum members with the details of a lot of pretty obscure routes. I think the first time you helped me, @caminka, was with the Olvidado. So very much appreciated! Buen camino, Lauriethose routes are definitely compatible and quite spectacular. I walked this combination last year and loved it.
for the podiensis - norte link, there are several options, most of them outlined in the posts above.
I walked it lake this, following gr-10 most of the way:
https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trai...ed-de-port-saint-etienne-de-baigorry-17988679
a short day in preparation for the big day tommorrow. this is gr-10 with a combination of other routes and roads because I wanted to cut out the climb and descent of the mountain (I can't remember the name at the moment).
https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/camino2016-045-saint-etienne-de-baigorry-bidarray-17989159
a spectacular day, worth every sweat. a steep but good climb of almost 1000m of altitude difference, then following a ridge, and a steep and stony descent for about the same altitude difference. the ridge is by no means flat, there is one very short section where a scramble is necessary, leading down the the lowest saddle where there is the only water on the route - a small source that is usually at least trickling. the view all along spectacular. did you know that pic d'iparla is the highest summit in both basque countries? I didn't. I heard there is an alternative to the steep stony descent, but the first part is unmarked and you probably need to meet someone who knows it. gite d'etape for solo travellers is the one at the far end of the village, but it has a fine view of the half of the day's route. I got a single room. there's a kitchen. don't miss the interesting church.
definitely not recommended in bad weather, rain or snow. in this case, chemin de la nive follows a small road along the valley to the east of the ridge all the way to bidarray. this also saves a day of walking.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-046-bidarray-ainhoa-17989675
the tricky part of the day is the climb to col d'artzatey which should be avoided if wet. part of the route is very eroded (it was being reparied in 2016), there are iron rails, and part is very exposed. I didn't feel uneasy at any time, but some might. if that is that case, there is an alternative chemin de contrebandiers (or sth like that) that follows a forest road to col de méhatché. the rest is beautiful and if you have enough energy, you can even extend the day to sare (but gite d'etape there is quite a way out of the town). gite d'etape ok, with kitchen.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-047-ainhoa-olhette-17990191
the first part to sare no problems at all. then a climb to la rhune, which is mostly ok, just a short section is very stony and probably unpleasant if wet. when crossing the wide saddle, pay attentions to waymarks, as may routes and paths intersect here. the descent is a bit long. manttu baita is no longer a gite d'etape. the new chambres d'hotes - gite d'etape is just before the main road in olhette, trapero baita. there are two small rooms with very wide bunks and a swimming pool. half-pension only.
https://fr.wikiloc.com/itineraires-randonnee/camino2016-048-olhette-irun-17990592
this was a rainy day, so I completely avoided gr-10 and cobbled together sth from local roads, lanes and paths. I am not sure if the lane at 5.8km is public or private, I encountered a fox hunt there, but I had no problems passing by.
gite d'etape in hendaye closed in 2016. youth hostel in irun was also closed for renovation. but albergue de peregrinos in irun is very nice. there is also albergue juvenil at the other end of hondaretta, with a route signposted directly up to ermita de guadalupe.
I don't know if I will ever get to walk this way (and I am sure I would not want to encounter a fox hunt!), but I think @caminka deserves a huge shout out of appreciation for all the times she has helped forum members with the details of a lot of pretty obscure routes. I think the first time you helped me, @caminka, was with the Olvidado. So very much appreciated! Buen camino, Laurie
From the profile of the G10 stages, it doesn't look like there's anything WORSE than that stage in terms of climbing, but there are 3 or 4 days back-to-back and I imagine that there will be far fewer people and resources.
Thanks for the words of caution, they are appreciated. From reading Caminka's post it looks as though I need to consider:FWIW: I would caution that this is markedly underestimates the GR10. Caminka provides a very accurate discription of the route.
Great description kaixo - I think this sums up what I'm looking for with this part of the trip - not withstanding the caution with which it should be undertaken. Could you advise, what time of year did you do this? Were there any other issues that you faced?I enjoyed reading your descriptions @caminka...brought back wonderful memories of my most favorite hiking route. I love the mountains and the solitude and being in the land of my people. I was very much at peace during this 5 day jaunt. Here's my story:
I walked from Geneva to SJPP and then on to Bilbao in 2015. In SJPP I purchased the TopoGuides Pyrenees Occidentales Gr10 book from the shop in SJPP. This would get me from SJPP to Irun in 5 days. It's only 110 kms but plan for shorter km days. The guide is in French but get it anyway. The maps are good, elevation charts always helpful, and includes accommodation lists with phone numbers. You will be walking backwards as described in the book but that's no problem. The cover below is for the 2016 edition (my copy is older so the cover is different). Remember to tear out all those pages you don't need.
Boutique du pèlerin
32 rue de la citadelle
St Jean Pied de Port
The shopkeeper/owner was experienced with this route (he hikes it even in winter)! He strongly discouraged me from taking this route. He stated it was too steep, and too physically demanding...clearly judging me by my cover (too old, too skinny, I presume). But I had already walked some 1100 kms and was feeling very strong and confident. He was quite insistent but I was not to be deterred. I bought the guide and set-off...and loved every part of this challenging section.
Honestly, how many times in your life will you be able to sit on a mountain top, in the Pyrenees, and see no other human being for hours and hours! The Pottok ponies (the Basque word for "little horse"), and the sheep, and the Griffon vultures will be nearby. Maybe you'll spot some eagles. The views are spectacular! The peace profound! I wish I was a writer and could describe the indescribable feelings of wonder and freedom and love that I experienced in those mountains. I long to return. And I am so grateful that I listened to my heart and followed my desire to hike the mountains of my ancestral home.
Note: This is a very challenging route. I truly felt like part of the herd (the weakest part mind you) as I climbed alongside the mountain goats. Hiking poles are highly recommended.
Buen camino.
From reading Caminka's post it looks as though I need to consider:
I enjoyed reading your descriptions @caminka...brought back wonderful memories of my most favorite hiking route. I love the mountains and the solitude and being in the land of my people. I was very much at peace during this 5 day jaunt.
Note: This is a very challenging route. I truly felt like part of the herd (the weakest part mind you) as I climbed alongside the mountain goats. Hiking poles are highly recommended.
Buen camino.
Great tip thanks. I'll have a three liter steamer - I'm always very cautious about hydration.for the part along crete d'iparla (that is the day on the ridge) you also need to consider water. you will probably meet other day hikers and thru-hikers (of the gr-10, with the huge backpacks), pottocks, sheep and birds - but no facilities. the only source in the middle is signposted about 200m off route, left before you reach the bottom of the saddle.
I took three liters of waters and paced myself. and overpaced myself, not drinking enough on the climb and suffering (very mild) consequences on the way down. a very friendly basque couple from donostia accompanied me on the descent. (I didn't think I looked that bad, but better safe then sorry.) I didn't run out of water, though.
FWIW: I would caution that this is markedly underestimates the GR10. Caminka provides a very accurate discription of the route.
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