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I have been looking at kilts for a long time, they are becoming more popular in the hikers sector here in the States. I just found out I am Scots with some Irish and touch of Danish. I am now trying to discover what clan I might be a part of.
To find a tartan you can wear check https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/might be wise not to choose military or a clan you don't belong to - honour and all that - Scottish National is rather nice.
Polka dotted shirts not recommended either - fashion and all that.and it is the only tartan, plaid, that you wear, except for matching hose flashes - no tartan shirts or ties or hats or socks!!
Thank you for the information.JF - Do it!!
Your surname Gregory is part of the Clan MacGregor (also old clan Gregor).
Your Clan Motto is "My Race is Royal". There are four Tartans but unlikely to find one with a PV kilt - Scottish National could be the way to go, though the Freedom tartan is fairly close.
The famous Rob Roy is an ancestor of yours!!! a good thing - your clan still hated by the Campbells, a bad thing.
This is your Crest -
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Ok, so what do you call a pigeon .... in Aviemore?Incidentally,
What d´ye call a pigeon takin his winter holidays in Aviemore ?
in a rush, but be careful! Humour is dangerous...Scots: do you know your teuchters from your sassenachs?
Irrespective of the political fallout from the independence referendum, the UK’s language patchwork is stronger having retained the rich tradition of Scotswww.theguardian.com
very much like!A Sgian Dubh....!
Maybe take a screenshot and upload as thumbnail...Sorry....photo file must be too big
I've resized it to 486kb but still don't seem able to attach it...using my Samsung S7Maybe take a screenshot and upload as thumbnail...
Thanks, informative.I don’t know about Scots Gallic as I did not speak it, but listening for 50 years to some sptheakers of irish Gaelic, I discovered that - and am ready for correction here from this who know better - that there is no word for yes or no. There is ‘it is’ or it is not’, but nothing definitive . At least from my point of view, which is mine, and not definitive either!in a rush, but be careful! Humour is dangerous...
Can you wait till you get to a tablet or laptop? We have to see it now!I've resized it to 486kb but still don't seem able to attach it...using my Samsung S7
Whit a braw photie, sir! Next time, let’s hear the tune.As I was saying ....View attachment 51776
To bring things around to the camino ... is that the way Scots eat pulpo?As I was saying ....View attachment 51776
Only on the Not a Serious ThreadTo bring things around to the camino ... is that the way Scots eat pulpo?
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I would guess more Sottish than IrishDon’t possess a kilt, but have often thought about having one. To me it would seem the perfect thing for the camino. Am a McClain here. Probably some long ago Scotts-Irish mix up!
Tune! Tune! Aye, let's have the tune please.Whit a braw photie, sir! Next time, let’s hear the tune.
All of the above is great. Only Scots should wear kilts, though.Hi all - thought I would start a brand new kilt thread, in the idle time before Spring arrives - for those who do and those who don't and those who might etc ... and I have a few questions to ask other kilt wearers ...
So - the kilt - has to be the full 8 yards as the 5 yard looks and moves a little flimsily (I didn't say girlie! - though I might have meant that) .... superb comfort, cool in summer, warm in winter and the nether regions are always aired.
(Q. "Is anything worn under the kilt?" A. "No ma'am, it is all in perfect working order.") - though I do wear cotton black boxer shorts for modesty (or maybe I don't)..
Chaps - it isn't until you wear a kilt that you really realise that trousers are not made for our anatomy!!
Science fact! Men who wear kilts are significantly more fertile than men who wear tight trousers. We have external stuff down there that needs to be cool for fertility (is why it is all on the outside) and trousers, tucked up and squashed tight produces too much heat - so if you want to start a family start wearing a kilt!
PV kilts are available at approx £50 in a range of tartans - might be wise not to choose military or a clan you don't belong to - honour and all that - Scottish National is rather nice. - and it is the only tartan, plaid, that you wear, except for matching hose flashes - no tartan shirts or ties or hats or socks!!
Manliness? Of course, as long as it is worn mid knee - too high and it looks like a skirt, too low and it looks like an old dowager dress - and remember - the kilt, 'man skirt', is old - why, the Roman Legions wore skirts!
And! you get to wear a knife too, the Sgian-Dubh (pronounced Skeen Do), tucked into one of your long hose (socks). As they are part of national dress it is legal to wear them (but in your pack when travelling on transport!). They have a blade of just under 3 & 1/2 inches, the legal limit in the EU. Most shops sell them blunt as an accessory, but mine is honed sharp and is fab for cutting food.
Of which, in France and Spain most farming/hunting/working men carry a folded knife which they bring out at table so it isn't seen as unusual to bring out your Sgian Dubh.
This is the one that I have, a copy of a Victorian military design. Wood handle inlaid with brass studs, leather scabbard and brass fittings.
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If one buys the PV working kilt (Polyester Viscose) it can be washed .. though ironing is then a problem to get the pleats sharp again, but also there are 1 hour dry cleaners in most shopping malls - so no problem, and they press really well!
Upside is comfort, coolness, manliness, style (!)
Downside is no pockets, so you need to add a belt pouch, and, too many photos taken of you with strangers?
Not sure if this is an upside or a downside - but women sit up like Meerkats when you appear - even at a distance.
So Q's for other Camino kilt wearers - maybe we can get a Q & A and feedback and so on going??
Do you wear your wide black leather kilt belt or a different type of belt on Camino?
Do you wear your sporran?
How do you feel about footwear? Boots, even lightweight fabric ones, give balance and weight, whereas sandals without socks - to me - always looks wrong - how do you feel about this?
and - there is an internal ancient male thing going on when we choose the kilt - this might sum it up
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Though the stomach is gone - 30 lbs lighter now!!
All of the above is great. Only Scots should wear kilts, though.
Well,I'm not Scots but having lived here for 30 years I'm going to continue wearing my kilt.Colquhoun tartan.All of the above is great. Only Scots should wear kilts, though.
Ah! The old Hamburger vs Soup feud still raging then?JF - Do it!!
Your surname Gregory is part of the Clan MacGregor (also old clan Gregor).
Your Clan Motto is "My Race is Royal". There are four Tartans but unlikely to find one with a PV kilt - Scottish National could be the way to go, though the Freedom tartan is fairly close.
The famous Rob Roy is an ancestor of yours!!! a good thing - your clan still hated by the Campbells, a bad thing.
This is your Crest -
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Well "kilt" is, after all, a Danish word!I have been looking at kilts for a long time, they are becoming more popular in the hikers sector here in the States. I just found out I am Scots with some Irish and touch of Danish. I am now trying to discover what clan I might be a part of.
I am now trying to discover what clan I might be a part of.
Sorry....photo file must be too big
Short answer ...those are Galician pipes, and yes they are almost always there, in my experience and knowledge.I have long yearned for a kilt to go with the bagpipes that I have had for many years but the cost has always put me off, Scots heritage you see. Macmillan clan. The price of the full 8 metre woollen one iin Australia is around AUD 650 (around 370GBP) so I was suddenly heartened at David's mention of them for 50GBP. Really?? A kilt would be great to wear on the camino, let it all hang out as they say. I was entranced at outside the cathedral at Santiago with a local guy playing what were probably Basque pipes with wonderful wild tunes which were hauntingly beautiful and quite different to the Scottish repertoire. I wonder if he is a regular there?
I have long yearned for a kilt to go with the bagpipes that I have had for many years but the cost has always put me off, Scots heritage you see. Macmillan clan. The price of the full 8 metre woollen one iin Australia is around AUD 650 (around 370GBP) so I was suddenly heartened at David's mention of them for 50GBP. Really?? A kilt would be great to wear on the camino, let it all hang out as they say.
Wearing your own national dress is fine, whether your Galician, Irish etc. They are remaining true to their nations. They’re not trying to pass themselves off as Scottish. Why not wear your own countries traditional attire.WWhhooohhh - tell that to the Irish!! and the Galician celts!! - and what about the Canadian Tartan?? Thin ice here!!
and what about being Scot but growing up in another country (me)? Or parents being Scots??
and the Royal Family? they wear kilts - and they are German Greeks !! oh dear .....
What does this mean, exactly? You’re now Scottish. My aunt has lived in Norway for over 50 years. At official engagements, she wears Scottish traditional dress. Not Norwegian. BECAUSE.....she’s Scottish!!!Well,I'm not Scots but having lived here for 30 years I'm going to continue wearing my kilt.Colquhoun tartan.
Why not wear your own countries traditional attire.
That’s not my opinion, that’s fact
Thanks for the response. Somehow I missed seeing it until just now. That is really interesting information. If you have any other sources you could pass along, please do! And thanks, again.There was once a polity called Dalriada which covered south west Scotland and north east Ireland.
A surname there was Mac Gille Eathain, meaning 'son of the servant of St John'.
Over the years that would have changed to McClain.
Don’t possess a kilt, but have often thought about having one. To me it would seem the perfect thing for the camino. Am a McClain here. Probably some long ago Scotts-Irish mix up!
Thanks,I'm looking forward to the day I get my Scottish passport.What does this mean, exactly? You’re now Scottish.
HaHa! ski-in dooIncidentally,
What d´ye call a pigeon takin his winter holidays in Aviemore ?
Americans may need to take lessons before wearing a kilt.
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Hi all - thought I would start a brand new kilt thread, in the idle time before Spring arrives - for those who do and those who don't and those who might etc ... and I have a few questions to ask other kilt wearers ...
So - the kilt - has to be the full 8 yards as the 5 yard looks and moves a little flimsily (I didn't say girlie! - though I might have meant that) .... superb comfort, cool in summer, warm in winter and the nether regions are always aired.
(Q. "Is anything worn under the kilt?" A. "No ma'am, it is all in perfect working order.") - though I do wear cotton black boxer shorts for modesty (or maybe I don't)..
Chaps - it isn't until you wear a kilt that you really realise that trousers are not made for our anatomy!!
Science fact! Men who wear kilts are significantly more fertile than men who wear tight trousers. We have external stuff down there that needs to be cool for fertility (is why it is all on the outside) and trousers, tucked up and squashed tight produces too much heat - so if you want to start a family start wearing a kilt!
PV kilts are available at approx £50 in a range of tartans - might be wise not to choose military or a clan you don't belong to - honour and all that - Scottish National is rather nice. - and it is the only tartan, plaid, that you wear, except for matching hose flashes - no tartan shirts or ties or hats or socks!!
Manliness? Of course, as long as it is worn mid knee - too high and it looks like a skirt, too low and it looks like an old dowager dress - and remember - the kilt, 'man skirt', is old - why, the Roman Legions wore skirts!
And! you get to wear a knife too, the Sgian-Dubh (pronounced Skeen Do), tucked into one of your long hose (socks). As they are part of national dress it is legal to wear them (but in your pack when travelling on transport!). They have a blade of just under 3 & 1/2 inches, the legal limit in the EU. Most shops sell them blunt as an accessory, but mine is honed sharp and is fab for cutting food.
Of which, in France and Spain most farming/hunting/working men carry a folded knife which they bring out at table so it isn't seen as unusual to bring out your Sgian Dubh.
This is the one that I have, a copy of a Victorian military design. Wood handle inlaid with brass studs, leather scabbard and brass fittings.
View attachment 51745
If one buys the PV working kilt (Polyester Viscose) it can be washed .. though ironing is then a problem to get the pleats sharp again, but also there are 1 hour dry cleaners in most shopping malls - so no problem, and they press really well!
Upside is comfort, coolness, manliness, style (!)
Downside is no pockets, so you need to add a belt pouch, and, too many photos taken of you with strangers?
Not sure if this is an upside or a downside - but women sit up like Meerkats when you appear - even at a distance.
So Q's for other Camino kilt wearers - maybe we can get a Q & A and feedback and so on going??
Do you wear your wide black leather kilt belt or a different type of belt on Camino?
Do you wear your sporran?
How do you feel about footwear? Boots, even lightweight fabric ones, give balance and weight, whereas sandals without socks - to me - always looks wrong - how do you feel about this?
and - there is an internal ancient male thing going on when we choose the kilt - this might sum it up
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Though the stomach is gone - 30 lbs lighter now!!
I have many kilts that are made out of lighter weight faster drying material.
Like you, @Fergus , I have worn a lightweight etc kilt for many years. It has minimal pleats (about 9). The outcome is that it hangs badly after washing.
So I am looking for other makers, but freight to the outer most ends of the earth can be a multiple of price of the kilt.
Kiwi's swear by them for 100 years!
so NZ should only be a fiver more
Like you, @Fergus , I have worn a lightweight etc kilt for many years. It has minimal pleats (about 9). The outcome is that it hangs badly after washing.
So I am looking for other makers, but freight to the outer most ends of the earth can be a multiple of price of the kilt.
I will PM you the name of a local kilt maker - she's originally from the UK but now works out of New Plymouth.Like you, @Fergus , I have worn a lightweight etc kilt for many years. It has minimal pleats (about 9). The outcome is that it hangs badly after washing.
So I am looking for other makers, but freight to the outer most ends of the earth can be a multiple of price of the kilt.
The old man spreading. Makes my wife nuts on flights.Americans may need to take lessons before wearing a kilt.
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She probably wouldn't like it much kilted and on the other side of the subway car either.The old man spreading. Makes my wife nuts on flights.
Yep. I'm a Yankee with an English surname (but with a tiny amount of Scot in the blood.) There have been a number of tartans designed for use by us. I did check the below site for tartans related to St. James or Camino but I didn't see any. A tartan can be designed and registered and "permission" given for pilgrims to wear it. But then you have to find someone that will weave it.Hmmm.... seems like there could be a good market for a special "Camino" tartan... ¿Es posible?
I think she’d prefer that option, especially if he’s a handsome lad.She probably wouldn't like it much kilted and on the other side of the subway car either.
And of course, hence the fine bagpipe tune Lord Lovatt's Lament....I have worn a kilt many times in pipe bands in New Zealand and am used to them. I do not think I would like to wear one on the Camino. A proper kilt is too heavy and hot, especially in the heat of Spain when I will be walking in June and July. A lighter kilt would be much better but I feel that a kilt must be worn with long socks, boots, sporran and wide black belt, which I think defeats the purpose of trying to stay cool in hot weather. Being a Kiwi I am used to walking and tramping in shorts in all weathers. Should I want to wear a kilt on the Camino I have one (it belongs to the family) with a bit of history. My family are Frasers from around Loch Ness. The last man beheaded in the Tower of London was Lord Lovatt (Simon Fraser). Had he not been beheaded and the title taken from the family, my brother would be Lord Lovatt and Chief of the Fraser Clan today. The kilt we have is the one worn by Lord Lovatt at the time of his beheding (as the family story goes) and has been passed down to the direct line since the 1600s. Family history says that this kilt is about 400 years old. But as I say, I will stick to shorts.
WOW! What a ‘great’ story. I put that in quotes because of the tragedy for the family but Ol’ NZ ain’t a bad place to beI have worn a kilt many times in pipe bands in New Zealand and am used to them. I do not think I would like to wear one on the Camino. A proper kilt is too heavy and hot, especially in the heat of Spain when I will be walking in June and July. A lighter kilt would be much better but I feel that a kilt must be worn with long socks, boots, sporran and wide black belt, which I think defeats the purpose of trying to stay cool in hot weather. Being a Kiwi I am used to walking and tramping in shorts in all weathers. Should I want to wear a kilt on the Camino I have one (it belongs to the family) with a bit of history. My family are Frasers from around Loch Ness. The last man beheaded in the Tower of London was Lord Lovatt (Simon Fraser). Had he not been beheaded and the title taken from the family, my brother would be Lord Lovatt and Chief of the Fraser Clan today. The kilt we have is the one worn by Lord Lovatt at the time of his beheding (as the family story goes) and has been passed down to the direct line since the 1600s. Family history says that this kilt is about 400 years old. But as I say, I will stick to shorts.
Don’t hold your breath, Jimmy...Thanks,I'm looking forward to the day I get my Scottish passport.
Let’s see a photo, please. That is definitely a piece of history.I have worn a kilt many times in pipe bands in New Zealand and am used to them. I do not think I would like to wear one on the Camino. A proper kilt is too heavy and hot, especially in the heat of Spain when I will be walking in June and July. A lighter kilt would be much better but I feel that a kilt must be worn with long socks, boots, sporran and wide black belt, which I think defeats the purpose of trying to stay cool in hot weather. Being a Kiwi I am used to walking and tramping in shorts in all weathers. Should I want to wear a kilt on the Camino I have one (it belongs to the family) with a bit of history. My family are Frasers from around Loch Ness. The last man beheaded in the Tower of London was Lord Lovatt (Simon Fraser). Had he not been beheaded and the title taken from the family, my brother would be Lord Lovatt and Chief of the Fraser Clan today. The kilt we have is the one worn by Lord Lovatt at the time of his beheding (as the family story goes) and has been passed down to the direct line since the 1600s. Family history says that this kilt is about 400 years old. But as I say, I will stick to shorts.
@David, thanks. Yes we have a kilt maker based in Dunedin. And a few mail order shops operated from a family home, selling a range of imported product. And there are two not terribly far from me.
The Scotland Kilt company wanted GBP 150 for freight for a kilt priced at GPB 50. I need to start a conversation with them!
Rick, don't you really mean to bring things around to the "Not a serious thread"?To bring things around to the camino ... is that the way Scots eat pulpo?
Have worn heavy wool kilts quite a bit, but how do these cheap ones fit? Do they dry quickly? Doing the Camino in October this year and hadn't previously thought of this option!And you play the pipes?? Cool!
Indeed - £50 for an 8yd pv kilt, 16oz heavyweight - see here - Scotland Kilt Company. You would need a belt, sporran, kilt pin, long hose, flashes (elastic garters with tartan flashes showing), and possibly a Sgian Dubh - all available in this store (and others) but also available on Ebay.
Note re pv kilts and sporrans. Sporrans are sold with two types of fastenings, narrow leather belt and chain belt - the chain causes pilling wear on a pv kilt so go for the leather belt type.
Enjoy!!!
Hi all - thought I would start a brand new kilt thread, in the idle time before Spring arrives - for those who do and those who don't and those who might etc ... and I have a few questions to ask other kilt wearers ...
So - the kilt - has to be the full 8 yards as the 5 yard looks and moves a little flimsily (I didn't say girlie! - though I might have meant that) .... superb comfort, cool in summer, warm in winter and the nether regions are always aired.
(Q. "Is anything worn under the kilt?" A. "No ma'am, it is all in perfect working order.") - though I do wear cotton black boxer shorts for modesty (or maybe I don't)..
Chaps - it isn't until you wear a kilt that you really realise that trousers are not made for our anatomy!!
Science fact! Men who wear kilts are significantly more fertile than men who wear tight trousers. We have external stuff down there that needs to be cool for fertility (is why it is all on the outside) and trousers, tucked up and squashed tight produces too much heat - so if you want to start a family start wearing a kilt!
PV kilts are available at approx £50 in a range of tartans - might be wise not to choose military or a clan you don't belong to - honour and all that - Scottish National is rather nice. - and it is the only tartan, plaid, that you wear, except for matching hose flashes - no tartan shirts or ties or hats or socks!!
Manliness? Of course, as long as it is worn mid knee - too high and it looks like a skirt, too low and it looks like an old dowager dress - and remember - the kilt, 'man skirt', is old - why, the Roman Legions wore skirts!
And! you get to wear a knife too, the Sgian-Dubh (pronounced Skeen Do), tucked into one of your long hose (socks). As they are part of national dress it is legal to wear them (but in your pack when travelling on transport!). They have a blade of just under 3 & 1/2 inches, the legal limit in the EU. Most shops sell them blunt as an accessory, but mine is honed sharp and is fab for cutting food.
Of which, in France and Spain most farming/hunting/working men carry a folded knife which they bring out at table so it isn't seen as unusual to bring out your Sgian Dubh.
This is the one that I have, a copy of a Victorian military design. Wood handle inlaid with brass studs, leather scabbard and brass fittings.
View attachment 51745
If one buys the PV working kilt (Polyester Viscose) it can be washed .. though ironing is then a problem to get the pleats sharp again, but also there are 1 hour dry cleaners in most shopping malls - so no problem, and they press really well!
Upside is comfort, coolness, manliness, style (!)
Downside is no pockets, so you need to add a belt pouch, and, too many photos taken of you with strangers?
Not sure if this is an upside or a downside - but women sit up like Meerkats when you appear - even at a distance.
So Q's for other Camino kilt wearers - maybe we can get a Q & A and feedback and so on going??
Do you wear your wide black leather kilt belt or a different type of belt on Camino?
Do you wear your sporran?
How do you feel about footwear? Boots, even lightweight fabric ones, give balance and weight, whereas sandals without socks - to me - always looks wrong - how do you feel about this?
and - there is an internal ancient male thing going on when we choose the kilt - this might sum it up
View attachment 51747
Though the stomach is gone - 30 lbs lighter now!!
Hi NYC, I think it either hides or holds the family jewels.I’ve always wondered why men wearing kilts often have a bag/purse-like thing that hangs in front of their you know what’s.
I can hazard a guess, but I’d truly like to know.
Hi NYC, I think it either hides or holds the family jewels.
That’s what I thought.
But, are the jewels precious?
I’ve always wondered why men wearing kilts often have a bag/purse-like thing that hangs in front of their you know what’s.
I can hazard a guess, but I’d truly like to know.
Sword on one side, dagger on the other side .. no pockets .... pretty good bag ... coincidentally it covers a 'sensitive' area too ......
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