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A pretty broad statement but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Undertaking any long hike/pilgrimage without advise is just plain foolish and expecting "the camino to provide" can be both irresponsible and disappointing.This is a great forum for information sharing, however, take whatever you read here with a grain of salt.
and come out for the better.
It will challenge you and alter you, and that's a good thing.
A pretty broad statement but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Undertaking any long hike/pilgrimage without advise is just plain foolish and expecting "the camino to provide" can be both irresponsible and disappointing.
Remember the old adage "trust in Allah but tether your camel.
IMHO people do not always come out " better " from a pilgrimage. That implies that one was " worse " before starting a Camino.
Neither is an altered state always a good thing.
Sometimes walking a Camino is just what it is : mere walking and that is good on it's own.
It is all good!
take whatever you read here with a grain of salt.
This is a great forum for information sharing, however, take whatever you read here with a grain of salt. I can say from experience that there were many things I read here that swayed my path, and not always for the best.
One of the things about El Camino de Santiago is its organic nature. Pilgrims will go through trials and tribulations they never imagined, get through them, and come out for the better.
Preparation is good, planning is smart, but don't let advice here calcify in your mind or heart because when you walk you want your heart and mind to be wide open to receive all the blessings the Camino has to offer.
It will challenge you and alter you, and that's a good thing.
I'm just concerned that taking too much advice here will override your basic instincts, which are vital on the camino.
Buen Camino!
You misquote me, this is what I actually said "Undertaking any long hike/pilgrimage without advise is just plain foolish" and no, there is absolutely nothing foolish about undertaking a very long walk provided you are prepared both mentally, physically and have adequate equipment for said walk otherwise you are just putting both your own well being and others at risk.There is nothing foolish about undertaking a very long walk.
@Healthful what is your point? Why did you open this thread?
@Healthful what is your point? Why did you open this thread?
The focus of this forum is "Where past pilgrims share and future pilgrims learn". I'm not sure what you mean by "too much advice". Advice is just that...advice. Each of us alone is responsible for using what we learn from what is shared.
It was moved, not relegated, from camino frances to misc topics because it is one and could apply to any camino or none, that is why we have many categories not just one.
Just one advice: maybe you could choose a less provocative title next time you would just like to philosophise a bit about nothing in particular...To spark inquiry. Both from within and without...
Why? What's wrong with inquiry and then debate? I posted what I posted to possibly help some of those on the fence about things. Why would you jump on that?Just one advice: maybe you could choose a less provocative title next time you would just like to philosophise a bit about nothing in particular...
Because you are going nowhere. In the title you suggest something. Take something with a grain of salt: to accept something while maintaining a degree of scepticism about its truth. But it is completely unclear (at least to me) what you have read on this forum that made you think that way.Why? What's wrong with inquiry and then debate? I posted what I posted to possibly help some of those on the fence about things. Why would you jump on that?
Also, why is it provocative to lead with, "take what you read here with a grain of salt?"Just one advice: maybe you could choose a less provocative title next time you would just like to philosophise a bit about nothing in particular...
Oh, just spit it out and don't beat around the bush, @Healthful ☺. Is it about the mobile phones?
It's the heavy handed advice here that worries me.
Would you mind being specific and give examples? If you want honest discussion, then we need something to grasp besides air.
Wouldn't that just spark controversy and endless debate?
Of that's really what you want, seek and you shall find.
Which is exactly what the title of your post did.Wouldn't that just spark controversy and endless debate?
As far as I'm concerned, your postings and answers are nothing more than trolling. I do not see where a genuine desire for discussion exists, as anything specific to discuss is missing in action. What I read is continuous provocation and deflection anytime a Forum member asks for clarification.
When you tell me "[If] that's really what you want, seek and you shall find" it is obvious that it is YOU who are trying to stir trouble where none needs to exist.
I hope the Moderators will close this thread.
Have to agree with you on this one. This thread’s energy is going far away from Santiago.As far as I'm concerned, your postings and answers are nothing more than trolling. I do not see where a genuine desire for discussion exists, as anything specific to discuss is missing in action. What I read is continuous provocation and deflection anytime a Forum member asks for clarification.
When you tell me "[If] that's really what you want, seek and you shall find" it is obvious that it is YOU who are trying to stir trouble where none needs to exist.
I hope the Moderators will close this thread.
Which is exactly what the title of your post did.
Have to agree with you on this one. This thread’s energy is going far away from Santiago.
Yikes.
Yikes is right. I've reported the thread to the moderators, so they can decide if Forum rules against trolling have been violated.
The shame of it is, the title of the thread held promise for a meaningful discussion. I hope you take the time to re-read the posts on the thread.
Don't quite understand why the post is perceived as controversial or trolling. I think I agree with the general message of the OP (taking too much advice may contradict the general instincts), but then again this message also needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
I don't understand. Would you like to pick apart a well-intended fellow pilgrim, or join the discussion? I'm confused by where you're putting your energy here. Take a deep breath. I will too. Ok, good. Now, you're a pilgrim. I'm a pilgrim. We're sharing here. We're sharing thoughts and hopes and feelings and stories of the Camino. That's all this is. Ok?It is the entirety of the author's responses on the thread, not a singular post, that is trollish.
Maybe its a language thing but from where I come being told to to take something that a person tells you with a grain of salt is to say that that person is lying or trying to deceive you and if that is what you believe from all the advice you have asked and got from this forum then I wonder if at this stage if you are not just trolling and, if you have bothered to read the rules, will know that is not allowed.
I would opine that taking too much advice might give false expectations rather than override anything..I'm just concerned that taking too much advice here will override your basic instincts, which are vital on the camino.
Sure. Shall I open a thread stating that it is better to get out of bed and pee instead of the other way around?Also, why is it provocative to lead with, "take what you read here with a grain of salt?"
That's just saying, take whatever you ever read or hear with a grain of salt. That's provocative? Were your programmed early on not to question anything?
There's nothing provocative about encouraging others to think on their own. I stand by what I said, "take everything you read here with a grain of salt." That should be enough.
Sure. Shall I open a thread stating that it is better to get out of bed and pee instead of the other way around?
This is my final word on this never ending story, why even ask for advice if you are going to take the advice with a grain of salt, and repeating the phrase hasn't answered any of the questions posed. As I have posted in this thread I will leave the decision of its future to the other moderators.
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