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falcon269 said:The rays if the scallop shell point to the direction of the route
mikevasey said:Unless you are on the Camino del Norte In Asturias then the hinge points(official marking) in the direction that you are to go. This does cause some confusion when people cross into Galicia via Ribadeo and the rays start pointing the direction again.
Long-distance walkers occasionally talk about "red-and-white" waymarking referring to GR's. When I started describing weekend walks in 1970 I learned the reason that white is above and red is below: when the white paint drips into the red, the stains are smaller than vice versa.Theo said:waymarked as GR in white and red
falcon269 said:The rays of the scallop shell point to the direction of the route!
The shell at Zero in Muxia points down.
I have read dozens of guidebooks, and I don't think any of them have said this - Raju, CSJ, or Brierley. You do not need yellow arrows at the official way posts with shell symbols. The rays point the way.
This "secret" should be the topic sentence in every guidebook when describing way marking.
Unofficial way marks may not adhere to this standard, so be flexible.
Theo said:In France the main ways of St James are waymarked as GR in white and red like the GR65 "Via Podiensis" with some yellow and blue shell signposts.
For the other ways (not GR) we are trying to standardize the waymarking and there is a project to use the same waymarking as on the GR but in yellow and blue also with some shell signposts.
falcon269 said:I assert that the shell rays on the official wayposts flawlessly indicate the correct direction in Galicia. All but three were left or right, but there were three pointing upward that indicated straight ahead!
falcon269 said:I assert that the shell rays on the official wayposts flawlessly indicate the correct direction in Galicia. All but three were left or right, but there were three pointing upward that indicated straight ahead!
falcon269 said:The shell rays on the brass shells in the pavement from Leon to La Virgen del Camino all correctly point the turns. Yellow arrows are more frequent, so are much more informative.
All the mojones have been old ones with the rays pointing to the right, so they do little more than tell you that you are on the Camino unless they have a yellow arrow.
JohnnieWalker said:falcon269 said:But funnily enough the brass shells on the pavements on the last stretches of the Camino Frances right into the Plaza Obradoira have the hinge and not the rays pointing the way!
Thanks Johnnie.JohnnieWalker said:............. There are also brass signs on the ground ........
falcon269 said:I have just finished walking the last 100 km of the five routes into Santiago, and the shell rays on the wayposts with a tile insert always point in the direction of the turn or route in Galicia.
I never said they did. The mojones with the shell tile insert DO point the way. Always.The first is that the granite waymarks or mojones do not always point the way within Galicia.
From the 152 km distance marker before O Cebreiro the most common waypost is the distance marker. A lot of them have an arrow engraved in them, usually painted yellow and often with a spray paint arrow added to emphasize it. The ones without the embedded arrow provide direction guidance only if an arrow has been painted on them. There are other wayposts without distance on them, some with the engraved arrow, most without, that have a shell as part of the post rather than a tile insert. The shell orientation is the same on all of them, so it does not indicate a direction unless an arrow has been added.
jpflavin1 said:Gentlemen:
Some debates/discussions are best resolved face to face. May I recommend you settle this one over a bottle or two of Vino. I will pay for the first one (reasonable cost) if after meeting you agree to publish your findings.
Ultreya,
Joe
P.S.: Please forward mailing address for my check.
Completely true! Only Galicia has a system, and cities may have alternative markings such as brass shells in the pavement. The mojones with the shell tile insert are almost nonexistent on the Camino Frances, the most popular route, which is why I failed to notice the information for five caminos. It was only after getting lost twice on the Camino Ingles that it occurred to me that the shell rays might mean something. These two mojones marked turns, and had no additional markings. We guessed wrong both times, once leading to two hours in a eucalyptus forest. Knowing the Secret of the Wayposts would have saved us (as would a couple of yellow arrows at those intersections). Some routing on the Camino Portugues is so complex that only the yellow arrows keep you on the route; there just are not enough mojones to mark all the turns. The Camino Sanabres from Ourense is a more obvious route than the Portugues, and the "old" route has very stylish old mojones with no direction information, so the yellow arrows provide the best information.The argument can only appeal to caminoheads
falcon269 said:I have just finished walking the last 100 km of the five routes into Santiago, and the shell rays on the wayposts with a tile insert always point in the direction of the turn or route in Galicia.
The rays of the scallop shell point to the direction of the route!
The shell at Zero in Muxia points down.
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