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I don't.I've got a good sense of how a 30 km day on the Frances feels
Exactly how I thought when I walked the Norte last year!It's just so subjective. I walked the Primitivo three weeks ago. I've done several other Caminos including the Frances and the Via de is Plata. For me, the Primitivo was definitely the most physically demanding because of the pretty much constant ascents and descents.
My internal thoughts while walking often went along the lines of " not another climb...this is killing me...I'm never ever doing this again...look at that view...that's amazing...god, not another climb....I thought I was at the top...
Now that I'm home the pain has receded but the gorgeous views and memories are still with me, and I find myself thinking that maybe I would walk it again.
And I think that if you can walk 30k on the Frances then you can walk the Primitivo on shorter daily stages. Demanding but definitely worth it.
you could simply use Naismiths rule. Used by many people on expeditions.Here's an impossible question to answer so feel free to guess without any scientific basis. Averaging the Frances and the Primitivo (not every day is Meseta nor is every day O'Cebreiro) how many kilometers on the Primitivo would you say feels like 30 kilometers on the Frances? I'm asking for a weird comparison, but I've got a good sense of how a 30 km day on the Frances feels and my body doesn't like me pushing it much beyond that. If you think this is a rediculous question hopefully it at least amuses you.
Naismith's rule has an article in Wikipedia. The article also briefly describes some corrections to it. One involves increasing time to walk down very steep hills. I've seen other webpages on this stuff but Wikipedia has a good simple one. It doesn't describe the method that Brierley uses but since we are talking approximations we don't know who is right anyway. Brierley describes his method in the introductory material of his guide.you could simply use Naismiths rule. Used by many people on expeditions.
An interesting question and one that I have been asking myself as I plan on walking the Camino Primitivo in 2020. As mentioned there is a formula called the Naismith's rule that attempts to factor in elevation gains/losses and adjusts your pace accordingly.Here's an impossible question to answer so feel free to guess without any scientific basis. Averaging the Frances and the Primitivo (not every day is Meseta nor is every day O'Cebreiro) how many kilometers on the Primitivo would you say feels like 30 kilometers on the Frances? I'm asking for a weird comparison, but I've got a good sense of how a 30 km day on the Frances feels and my body doesn't like me pushing it much beyond that. If you think this is a rediculous question hopefully it at least amuses you.
It's just so subjective.
Camino Frances
Using a pace of 4.5 km per hour on flat ground the adjustment for the entire route results in a 3.7 km per hour pace. Over the 27 days that I walked this route the average daily km would be 28.8 km and a daily ascent of 515 meters and descent of 502 meters.
Camino Primitivo
Using a pace of 4.5 km per hour on flat ground the adjustment for the entire route results in a 3.4 km per hour pace or a decrease of about 8%. Adjusting the 28.8 kms walked for the Camino Frances results in a lower daily walk of 26.5 kms.
Over 13 days one would walk 23.8 kms a day and a daily ascent of 715 meters and a descent of 707 meters...so let me see 6 years older...hmm should be possible...but...well here's hoping
Too many variables to be accurate.....
There's a tale worth retelling.a scary cow on the The Puy route with bloody scary horns and taking a short cut and falling in a manure patch and then accidentally touching an electrified fence
But at 62 years young you are a mere person in your youth. One of the pilgrims that I will never forget is an American woman who I met on my first Camino on the Camino Norte. During the Camino she had celebrated her 82nd birthday. And as a postscript, she was carrying all of her own gear for the full camino!!Agreed it's very subjective using a rule like Naismith's and there are so many many variables however for high level planning only...why not? It's fun to plan and then see how far off on is!
So many variables...heat, fatigue, trail conditions (cobblestones, hot asphalt, tree roots after a rainstorm on a steep descent, beautiful forest path, bushwalking or something like it), lack of sleep due to snoring, great news from home, sad news from home, rain and more rain, brilliant sunshine and the company of a fellow pilgrim who becomes a new friend and time just flies, wind, injuries, meeting a massive cow blocking the trail in Switzerland, a scary cow on the The Puy route with bloody scary horns and taking a short cut and falling in a manure patch and then accidentally touching an electrified fence etc. etc. etc. Oh and did I mention age...I could easily do this at 30 when I ran a few marathons...now at 62 could I even walk a half marathon? And the big one getting lost again and again on less traveled Camino routes...wandering around aimlessly and chewing up the km's?
Anyway that's the fun and challenge of walking Camino's...so many variables...nothing is predictable and the enjoyment of simply walking can't be beat. Looking forward to a new adventure on the Camino Primitive!
Guy
Agreed it's very subjective using a rule like Naismith's and there are so many many variables however for high level planning only...why not? It's fun to plan and then see how far off on is!
So many variables...heat, fatigue, trail conditions (cobblestones, hot asphalt, tree roots after a rainstorm on a steep descent, beautiful forest path, bushwalking or something like it), lack of sleep due to snoring, great news from home, sad news from home, rain and more rain, brilliant sunshine and the company of a fellow pilgrim who becomes a new friend and time just flies, wind, injuries, meeting a massive cow blocking the trail in Switzerland, a scary cow on the The Puy route with bloody scary horns and taking a short cut and falling in a manure patch and then accidentally touching an electrified fence etc. etc. etc. Oh and did I mention age...I could easily do this at 30 when I ran a few marathons...now at 62 could I even walk a half marathon? And the big one getting lost again and again on less traveled Camino routes...wandering around aimlessly and chewing up the km's?
Anyway that's the fun and challenge of walking Camino's...so many variables...nothing is predictable and the enjoyment of simply walking can't be beat. Looking forward to a new adventure on the Camino Primitive!
Guy
I've never walked the Primitivo, but I've just walked from Geneva to Le Puy and then the Stevenson to La Bastide Puylaurent, and then shifting over and down to Villefort. Lots and lots and lots of uphills followed by downhills immediately followed by uphill and so on, some pretty steep and even one or two a wee tetch dangerous, particularly from La Bastide to Villefort near Prevencheres in the rain. Am taking a two day rest break here but the 530 km or so I've walked so far has taken 24 days. Contrast that to my previous walks like the Via de la Plata, Le Puy to Spain, and Arles/Aragones which were much longer (800 to 1000 km) that I did in 30-33 days, and that tells me something. I did take a few shorter days (arriving at 3 pm or so), unlike my other walks (5pm or later often) but one has to take into account the 'smell the roses' factor as well.
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