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Hi, Alan,
Based on the terrain, does Tortosa to GAndesa (40 km, I think) seem reasonable to you? I know that's a very individual thing, and I would rather break it up with a stay in La Fontcalda, but if I do that I will arrive in Gandesa on Sunday.
What did you think of Fabara?
Hotel Magallón was the one. Should have remembered Stephen gave it the thumbs down and gone on to the Visit (or the Surtidor).In Caspe, I saw Stephen in his blog gave a bad review to Hotel Magallon
Oh so helpful. BTW, did you visit the Roman tomb in/near Fabara?
The Fabara website says it's on the river less than a km from town. Might be a nice detour if it's not on the camino.
Why not? That last one was spectacular!no more pictures I promise!
I know I've seen somewhere that there's an albergue in Alagon but I don't see anything about it on the standard websites.
Hehe, and the name is Albergue "El Caracol"Maybe because you didn't read about a pilgrim's albergue but about the municipal one quoted on the web of the town council: www.alagon.es/index.php/municipiol/noticias/ultimas-noticias/item/684-equipamientos-municipales.html
Hehe, and the name is Albergue "El Caracol"
BTW, joking aside, if someone is interested in knowing why it's called El Caracol, take a look at:
http://identidadaragonesa.wordpress...-el-canal-imperial-iii-las-murallas-de-grisen
P.S.: And be aware it's far away from downtown Alagón. In fact, it's closer to downtown Grisén than to downtown Alagón.
Hi Alan! [Or Castilian maybe] Did you see my question re the strange amphitheatre?The mausoleum was lovely, and I was rather jealous of the Lupus family, as there are far worse places to spend eternity.
Hi Alan! [Or Castilian maybe] Did you see my question re the strange amphitheatre?
Keep walking!
[Or Castilian maybe] Did you see my question re the strange amphitheatre?
Hi Alan! [Or Castilian maybe] Did you see my question re the strange amphitheatre?
Keep walking!
Yes, but I don't have info about it. All I know is that it's in a rest area before the assut. The rest area is next to a mirador over the rests of the former Pont de la Solitud and has a modern sundial. I have some info about the sundial (when it was posted there, who contributed to make it...) but not about the stones that are behind the sundial (i.e.: the stones on your picture).
The rest area is next to a mirador over the rests of the former Pont de la Solitud
Hi, Stephen, if I am correct, this is perhaps the first time anyone has ever been able to stump Castilian! So, Castilian, you are mortal after all!
-- I have read somewhere that the Monastery de Rueda has (or is making) an albergue. The rooms I see listed on booking are more than the 35/49 euro options you had. I'm wondering if that's a special pilgrim price or just an off season November price, any idea? Would you stay in the monastery again, or do you think it's preferable to stay in town?
-- The gps tracks I've seen on line also went to Gelsa. So was it a choice of either following an arrow or the river walk? Where do you think those extra kms come in?
Alan, I was just doing some reading about the Ebro and came across a pretty categorical statement that the marking is terrible. Was that your experience? I don't remember comments from you either way, and though I'll probably be carrying that heavy pesky GPS, it's always much nicer to just rely on the arrows.
Thanks so much, Alan, I'm waiting for the switch over to the Castellano-Aragones.There was no sign of an albergue when I stayed there. It was a decent enough hotel, in a lovely setting and I'd certainly stay there again rather than the town as it's a bit further on and makes the day to Quinto a bit shorter.
I lost the arrows at some point, and think the GR would be a better walk, but it didn't much matter really.
On the whole the arrows were pretty good, I thought. Better than most caminos I've walked, but perhaps that was partly because they weren't really that important, as if you know roughly which way you're going, and could see the river, it was pretty difficult to get lost. I think the arrows are possibly a bit better once you get into Aragón, but wouldn't swear to it. The last 10km of Rueda to Quinto was the only place I got "lost" - as in missed the arrows - but, as I say, it hardly matters as you can tell where you're heading.
This is one of the more prominent arrows, high up on a rock face on the stretch between Fabara and Caspe:
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Alan - I think this may have been on the same climb. The arrow pointed vertically upwards!!!This is one of the more prominent arrows, high up on a rock face on the stretch between Fabara and Caspe:View attachment 22907
Thank you all for sharing experiences and tips... I am glad I found this thread .. feeling like it will be a flowing journey : )
Going to start El Camino del Ebro mid-March this year - not being the best at planning... more like going with my instinct, luck... and the wind, (which worked fine when I walked el Camino del Norte last year (August September... no map, no guide.... many angels on the way : ) Also not worrying about the exact starting point (saw few posts about that) as I use to spend my holidays as a child in the area of Amposta, Ampolla, San Carles de la Rapita and Tortosa... intention of reconnecting with my roots as well as walking, so just thinking to spend few days in that area, touristing, then have an official start from Tortosa.
Not sure yet if I will continue after, and which Camino... but why not continue on Camino Frances once at Logrono if not too busy by beginning of April ?
or... does anyone have any suggestion for some less crowded Camino at this time of the year from there ?
Curious also if anyone reading this post walked el Camino del Ebro with intention of also connecting with past history, like I met several Spanish pilgrims last year who were honouring the memory of their family and ancestors, the ones fallen during the civil war... and if they had some specific way of doing it... just to share. Would really appreciate this.
Thank you
One way to avoid some of the crowds on the Francés (although I don't think there are crowds in April) would be to leave the Ebro after Zaragoza at Gallur and take the more southerly Camino Castellano-Aragonés. Then, a few days outside of Burgos you will connect with the Ruta de Lana. That means "avoiding" the Francés for the 125 kms between Logroño and Burgos. It also means that you get to visit the monastery at Santo Domingo de Silos without taking a detour.
The two easiest ways to leave the Francés and still make it to Santiago are to take the Salvador/Primitivo from León or the Primitivo from Ponferrada. They are both knockout caminos, really lovely.
Wishing you a great trip, would love to hear how it goes for you, because @Anniesantiago and I are planning to start from Ríumar in late May. Can't wait! Buen camino, Laurie
thank you Laurie : )
which route would join the Primitivo from Ponferrada?
is there another way than joining the Primitivo to Melide junction from Ponferreda?
Salvador sounds interesting : ) is it mountainous like Primitivo? do you think there will be snow in April?
Wondering, in your opinion, what are the strectches on Camino Frances not to be missed- for beauty, landscape, or importance?
Bon Cami for late May from Riumar : ) )
I really enjoyed the start of the Ruta del Ebro, as we used to live near there, and many memories were brought back. That area is full of history of the Civil War - and the Battle of the Ebro was fought where you will be walking. If you have time, visit Corbera del Ebro. The town was completely destroyed during the Battle of the Ebro (25 July–16 November 1938) and although the lower part of the town was rebuilt, the upper part, known as Poble Vell (Old Town), including the old church on the hill, has been left completely in ruins as a memorial.Curious also if anyone reading this post walked el Camino del Ebro with intention of also connecting with past history, like I met several Spanish pilgrims last year who were honouring the memory of their family and ancestors, the ones fallen during the civil war... and if they had some specific way of doing it... just to share. Would really appreciate this. Thank you
Hi, Gipsy Moon,
Good point about the snow, I think if you do a search on the forum you will find that there is typically a lot of snow in the mountains on the Salvador in April. Jpflavin had some pretty extreme experiences but he made it. I do not think he would recommend it, though. So I guess I would not leave the Frances at Leon.
And I mis-typed when I wrote "the Primitivo from Ponferrada." Actually it's the Camino de Invierno from Ponferrada. There is a lot of info on the forum about that Camino, it is beautiful, so you could check out that alternative.
I think that the Camino Frances is all pretty beautiful, even that much maligned meseta. I would only leave the Frances because of the crowds, not because of the landscape, so in April you may find you just want to stay on the Frances!
Buen camino, Laurie
I really enjoyed the start of the Ruta del Ebro, as we used to live near there, and many memories were brought back. That area is full of history of the Civil War - and the Battle of the Ebro was fought where you will be walking. If you have time, visit Corbera del Ebro. The town was completely destroyed during the Battle of the Ebro (25 July–16 November 1938) and although the lower part of the town was rebuilt, the upper part, known as Poble Vell (Old Town), including the old church on the hill, has been left completely in ruins as a memorial.
When you get to Tortosa, there is a lovely monument for the fallen right in the middle of the Ebro ....
I liked the Ebro battle museum in Gandesa, a couple of days walk up the Ebro from Tortosa. I was touched, when I mentioned to the curator that one of my relations had died in the battle, immediately to be shown into the room dedicated to the International Brigade.
For heaven's sake. Why are folk so picky on this forum?Hmmmm, not everybody would agree with the word "lovely" attached to the nationalist war memorial in the Ebro.
For heaven's sake. Why are folk so picky on this forum?
OK.... it's not 'lovely' ..... maybe it's 'striking'.
I shall make no further comments on this topic for fear of upsetting someone.
I liked the Ebro battle museum in Gandesa, a couple of days walk up the Ebro from Tortosa. I was touched, when I mentioned to the curator that one of my relations had died in the battle, immediately to be shown into the room dedicated to the International Brigade.
Hmmmm, not everybody would agree with the word "lovely" attached to the nationalist war memorial in the Ebro.
When Franco inaugurated it in 1966, it included his personal "Victory" motif, and it stated that it was a memorial to "los combatientes que hallaron gloria en la batalla del Ebro" and "Al Caudillo del Cruzada". Most of the more blatantly franquiste symbols have been removed from the sculpture, although the imperial eagle remains, as do various attempts to have it demolished under the lei de la Memoria Histórica of 2007.
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