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Close enough.If you see something, call 112 on your mobile phone and say something. The police can provide help in English.
Simply ask: "Puede ayudar en ingles, por favor?" (I think I got that right).
Hope this helps.
Tom
Or download the Alert Cops app on your phone.If you see something, call 112 on your mobile phone and say something.
Why didn't you post his name and photo as well, if you got them from your friend?There is a new active thief on the Camino Frances. He is very easy to recognize, because he is a young black man who has been cycling for a few days. It may be that he leaves the bike. He is 30 years old, tall, he has robbed in Rioja -among others- four pilgrims who yesterday were in our albergue Luz de Frómista, and they gave me his name and photos of his identity card. Two days ago he was in Frómista, in front of our albergue, he did not enter. In the afternoon and evening the Civil Guard was looking for him throughout the area, including the albergues. He can be between Carrion de los Condes and Leon, anywhere. The problem is that the police always catch thieves, they have a lot of interest in avoiding crimes on the Camino de Santiago, but foreign pilgrims never report, they prefer to follow their path, only some Spaniards do. And thieves know this and generally steal from non-Spaniards.
Without complaints, the police cannot catch them, they can only do so if the thieves are caught by the pilgrims at the time they are stealing.
but foreign pilgrims never report, they prefer to follow their path
Be wary of libel laws if you do this.Why didn't you post his name and photo as well, if you got them from your friend?
This will not be allowed on this forum.Why didn't you post his name and photo as well, if you got them from your friend?
In the forum it is not allowed to put the photo or other personal information. He is not a condemned person. The thief, or rather the still alleged thief, can report the forum and whoever posts the post. As simple as that.Why didn't you post his name and photo as well, if you got them from your friend?
In this case, he steals when no one is in the rooms, or when they are asleep. Opening backpacks, easy and fast.What type of thefts are occurring? Stealing property out of backpacks left outside, in albergues etc?
or is he using violence/force/threats to take money/property from his victims?
Here is a photo of a thief [me] and a liar [me]. You'll find that photo on many a website; I stole my avatar from a fishing magazine. None of this is true.Why didn't you post his name and photo as well?
This is terrible, easily traumatic and far exceeds what can happen on the Camino.Today, a bunkmate of mine told me she and her friend were approached by two young teenagers outside if Estella, brandishing knives, trying to steal their money. They reported it to the police (it did take three hours if their time to report) and they've already caught and arrested the guys. The guardian civil were here at our albergue in Los Arcos informing her. I'm so impressed. Would not have had that same response from law enforcement in my home town of Las Vegas.
Or just 'Inglés'.Close enough.
?Puede ayudarme en ingles?
Define "almost no"? Not sure what that means?There are almost no robberies on the Camino. The fact that a robbery, without violence, becomes news, proves it. But for things to continue like this, it is necessary that when you know of some type of criminal act you report it to the police as soon as possible.
It seems to me you are convicting a "young black man" who is "very easy to recognize" (based on his blackness and youth alone, I gather?) of thievery, without benefit of trial, based only on his appearance. Do you have confirmed evidence of his guilt? As you give no identifying information beyond his color and youth, this comment puts all young black men at risk of being assumed to be thieves on the camino. It is problematic, to say the least.There is a new active thief on the Camino Frances. He is very easy to recognize, because he is a young black man who has been cycling for a few days. It may be that he leaves the bike. He is 30 years old, tall, he has robbed in Rioja -among others- four pilgrims who yesterday were in our albergue Luz de Frómista, and they gave me his name and photos of his identity card. Two days ago he was in Frómista, in front of our albergue, he did not enter. In the afternoon and evening the Civil Guard was looking for him throughout the area, including the albergues. He can be between Carrion de los Condes and Leon, anywhere. The problem is that the police always catch thieves, they have a lot of interest in avoiding crimes on the Camino de Santiago, but foreign pilgrims never report, they prefer to follow their path, only some Spaniards do. And thieves know this and generally steal from non-Spaniards.
Without complaints, the police cannot catch them, they can only do so if the thieves are caught by the pilgrims at the time they are stealing.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time something like this has happened. Over the years I have heard this story often. This is why we are often told to never leave your valuables unattended and to be sure to report these types of incidences. "Let's be careful out there."In this case, he steals when no one is in the rooms, or when they are asleep. Opening backpacks, easy and fast.
It is the common method on the Camino.
In post #11 the OP is clear that the person described is an ‘alleged’ thief and is sharing a basic description which is roughly what the Guarda Civil are looking for. They will have the further benefit of ID details.It seems to me you are convicting a "young black man" who is "very easy to recognize" (based on his blackness and youth alone, I gather?) of thievery, without benefit of trial, based only on his appearance. Do you have confirmed evidence of his guilt? As you give no identifying information beyond his color and youth, this comment puts all young black men at risk of being assumed to be thieves on the camino. It is problematic, to say the least.
Let us try to be intellectually free, which is increasingly difficult in a politically correct world, to call it in some conventional way.It seems to me you are convicting a "young black man" who is "very easy to recognize" (based on his blackness and youth alone, I gather?) of thievery, without benefit of trial, based only on his appearance. Do you have confirmed evidence of his guilt? As you give no identifying information beyond his color and youth, this comment puts all young black men at risk of being assumed to be thieves on the camino. It is problematic, to say the least.
What type of thefts are occurring? Stealing property out of backpacks left outside, in albergues etc?
or is he using violence/force/threats to take money/property from his victims?
Why bring up the "race" card? If it was a caucasian old man, this is what the description would be. Facts are facts, let's leave the "political" angle out of it.It seems to me you are convicting a "young black man" who is "very easy to recognize" (based on his blackness and youth alone, I gather?) of thievery, without benefit of trial, based only on his appearance. Do you have confirmed evidence of his guilt? As you give no identifying information beyond his color and youth, this comment puts all young black men at risk of being assumed to be thieves on the camino. It is problematic, to say the least.
Excellent response!Let us try to be intellectually free, which is increasingly difficult in a politically correct world, to call it in some conventional way.
My post aims to warn those who are doing the French Way, as everyone who is doing it understands.
If he is a blond, chubby and short Spaniard, and I say so, you can be completely sure that no one in Spain would tell me that I am putting Spaniards at risk, or the short or the chubby. Nobody!!!!! OR THAT I AM RACIST.
I cannot give the name, it is not necessary, I have it, I have the photo that they sent me of your French identity card (Sorry! I have put all French pilgrims at risk of being accused !!!!!), the photo It was given to me by one of the victims, who could not get his money back because the money does not have a signature and it is not possible to prove who the owner is, the photo was taken because he was taken, and the police were there, AND HAD TO LEAVE HIM GO FREE OF CHARGE.
The reason for my post is to help pilgrims, assuming that everyone who reads me is smart enough to know what I mean.
It is not much use to say that he measures 1.82m, how he measures, that he is thin, many are thin, that he has black hair, many have black hair ...
Let's be serious, and above all, BE INTELLECTUALLY FREE. NOTHING MAKES IT SUPPOSED THAT SOMEONE WILL THINK THAT ALL THE BLACKS ARE THIEVES OF THE CAMINO DE SANTIAGO.
The only reference that I can AND SHOULD give, that can prevent a robbery, is that he is black, tall and that he rides a bicycle and that he was in the Carrión area that day.
Like many other members of this forum, I have been a lawyer in my young years. I know what freedom is and respect for the rights of others, and I am not intimidated in any way by any kind of intellectual repression.
It seems to me you are convicting a "young black man" who is "very easy to recognize" (based on his blackness and youth alone, I gather?) of thievery, without benefit of trial, based only on his appearance. Do you have confirmed evidence of his guilt? As you give no identifying information beyond his color and youth, this comment puts all young black men at risk of being assumed to be thieves on the camino. It is problematic, to say the least.
The point is it probably would not have been "a caucasian old man", it would probably have just been "an old man" and we would be left to assume he was caucasian. Unfortunately, this is how the world works.Why bring up the "race" card? If it was a caucasian old man, this is what the description would be. Facts are facts, let's leave the "political" angle out of it.
No, I disagree completely. It always include any defining features including race, age and gender when giving descriptions of criminals.The point is it probably would not have been "a caucasian old man", it would probably have just been "an old man" and we would be left to assume he was caucasian. Unfortunately, this is how the world works.
That does vary considerably by country. In the UK one is hard-pressed to deduce the species of an alleged transgressor from the police description.No, I disagree completely. It always include any defining features including race, age and gender when giving descriptions of criminals.
I can only speak for Canada but usually the description is not given if a picture is shown (in the media) but my brother is a cop and any descriptions they get will be down to minutia and if they are asking the public for help, the information is very exacting. Lots of times, mug shots are shown in the media. Very common.That does vary considerably by country. In the UK one is hard-pressed to deduce the species of an alleged transgressor from the police description.
It would seem, from your description of events, that there is no reasonable evidence against the individual that you are identifying and so it is entirely unreasonable to publicly identify that person.Let us try to be intellectually free, which is increasingly difficult in a politically correct world, to call it in some conventional way.
My post aims to warn those who are doing the French Way, .....
....... the police were there, AND HAD TO LEAVE HIM GO FREE OF CHARGE.
It would seem, from your description of events, that there is no reasonable evidence against the individual that you are identifying and so it is entirely unreasonable to publicly identify that person.
Doing so would leave you open to the charges that you seem to be so keen to avoid.
This is starting to get crazy.It would seem, from your description of events, that there is no reasonable evidence against the individual that you are identifying and so it is entirely unreasonable to publicly identify that person.
Doing so would leave you open to the charges that you seem to be so keen to avoid.
Like you, I generally avoid reading threads like this, I am not sure why, this morning, I changed my mind. But, having (only) read the latest posts I was struck by the seeming absurdity that seemed to be playing out. Perhaps if I read the whole thread this might become less absurd but I won't do that because it pointless. I should have moved on without comment.
Anyway, thank you for your patience and polite reply.
The absurdity that I was so unclear about is that many posters, including yourself are saying "the cops are looking for an identified individual" while the post that I quoted clearly states that the police were present with the individual, questioned that person and then let them go about their business (presumably) because there was no reasonable evidence against them.
Perhaps I can say that again.
While it may be reasonable (or civic) to publicly identify a person where there is reasonable evidence that person is guilty of some crime AND they are likely to repeat that crime. To me, it is totally unreasonable to publicly identify someone who has been questioned and released by the police.
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