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Most threads I have read here and on Facebook are only covering cycling the camino and not bikepacking/camping wild. Is it allowed and possible to do this on any route? Is it allowed to bike camp at dusk/night in the wild without having to pay for an alburgue/hostel.
Contrary to what Debra says, I think camping the Camino is WELL worth it.
Each to their own.
I find this forum a wonderful place. But far too many on here are against camping the Camino.
For various reasons including being totally ignorant of tenting, stealth camping, ...
I walked three caminos.
And biked one
Every time had my tent or bivysac
when tent camping I slept outside at many of the alburgues. You also can do that bike camping.
rick and Peg on here also tented. We stayed at the city campground at SJDP. Nice campground there.close to all
the alburgues not only permit that they actually like it.
More fees paid and one more bed space open for someone else.
now do beware that when tenting at the alburgues you will most likely be locked outside after hours
Pay fee. Shower, do clothes , eat sleep in my bed bug -free of snoring- tent.
Even put it up - it’s free standing REI quarter dome one - on patio and also balconies.
when few times stealth camping followed the basic rules of:
No fires
No smoking
No lights
Asked permission if possible
Never go through a gate without permissions
Set up at sunset
Pack up at sunrise
Leave site cleaner than found it
No music
the one time I rode bike with trailer on the Frances was the best time of my life.
Bike Friday with trailer suitcase
made it easy riding bus / train before and after the Camino with bike packed in the suitcase
See Bike Friday’s web page
I work on the premise that it (sic) only illegal when you get caught. I have never been caught.
When it comes to wild camping I mean. Not criminal activitiesWOW.
(From a camper/hiker/campervaner/biker)
I love the concept of camping in my own bed, no bed bugs and no snoring! Oh joy of joys! I’m thinking of camping it have some reservations as a solo female... helpful, informative comments are welcome. Thank you.
Thanks for you comments Steve and Jenny. Much appreciated.This is a very contentious subject and the first thing the anti camping people will say is that is illegal. They can even post screenshots to show you it is illegal.
It is not strictly true. The camping laws in Spain are very complex and vary from area to area.
I can only assumed Debra has never wild camped because some of her assumptions are total nonesense. After 50 years of wild camping, I can assure you of that. Everywhere you wildcamp has been a toilet, according to Debra. So it follows that everywhere you sit down for a rest or picnic, has also been a toilet. How ridiculous is that?
I bikepack. I carry a bivvy bag and not a tent. I do not carry cooking equipment. I work on the premise that it only illegal when you get caught when it comes to wild camping. I do not wild camp on private property. I have never been discovered wild camping.
I set up in remote area at dusk and leave before dawn. The area is spotless when I leave. I do it like this because I enjoy the solitude.
I have no objection to people staying in hotels, I can afford to, if I wish. Each to his own.
Thanks Debra. You are free to your own opinion. I am a bikepacker and had done lots of bikepacking trips wild camping. Never been diturbed and never been shoo’d at by landowners or property owners. The key there is stealth camping. The reason I am asking this sort of question is because the camino trails are already an established trail and with lots of hikers and bikers so I don’t know its entirety of the trail if it is okay to wild camp (not literally on the side of the road) but away from the public eye and somewhere you can pitch your tent in safety and stealthily.First to the greatest of my understanding wild camping is not legal.
Second the alburgues are cheap. I'll take the shower, bed and roof.
Third any where that you would think to camp has been used as a toilet if you are on the main route, that are not part of climbing a fence. I don't climb fences to find a plan to will camp, people have a right to their private land.
Fourth, what is the point of a pilgrim to you? Physical challenge? (not a great one if you are taking your and stopping to look at things) Spiritual experience? (can be great if you put in the time and work to have that experience) Social experience? (how will you get that moving at a faster pace than most around you) How will camp out away from people get you the experience you are looking for.
Fifth, people do ask about camping, but the majority respond with not worth it.
Understand.I love the concept of camping in my own bed, no bed bugs and no snoring! Oh joy of joys! I’m thinking of camping it have some reservations as a solo female... helpful, informative comments are welcome. Thank you.
Good comment.I've never understood how doing something you can do all day long suddenly becomes illegal after dark.
You can rest beside the path wherever and as long as you want during the day. You're allowed to sleep on a beach, erect shelters, build sandcastles, have barbecues all day long; you can picnic in the woods or park, erect a shelter from the sun, lounge all day, take up as much space as you want, play music or football and no-one thinks twice about it, lie down quietly in those places at night and it suddenly becomes either illegal or frowned upon.
As Paladina says use common sense, and respect the place. I think if it's O.K to spend all day there then a few hours after dark isn't doing any harm.
First to the greatest of my understanding wild camping is not legal.
Second the alburgues are cheap. I'll take the shower, bed and roof.
Third any where that you would think to camp has been used as a toilet if you are on the main route, that are not part of climbing a fence. I don't climb fences to find a plan to will camp, people have a right to their private land.
Fourth, what is the point of a pilgrim to you? Physical challenge? (not a great one if you are taking your and stopping to look at things) Spiritual experience? (can be great if you put in the time and work to have that experience) Social experience? (how will you get that moving at a faster pace than most around you) How will camp out away from people get you the experience you are looking for.
Fifth, people do ask about camping, but the majority respond with not worth it.
Who cares where people sleep. As long as they respect nature and the rights of the owners if they try to stay on private property then let them.
The only thing I would say is that there are lots of nice bikers who take care of unaware walking pilgrims. There are a huge number of reasons a walking pilgrim may be unaware of what is happening. In my opinion it is always the biker who must take responsibility for everyone's safety as they cycle by. There are way too many bikers who do not.
thank youThanks Debra. You are free to your own opinion. I am a bikepacker and had done lots of bikepacking trips wild camping. Never been diturbed and never been shoo’d at by landowners or property owners. The key there is stealth camping. The reason I am asking this sort of question is because the camino trails are already an established trail and with lots of hikers and bikers so I don’t know its entirety of the trail if it is okay to wild camp (not literally on the side of the road) but away from the public eye and somewhere you can pitch your tent in safety and stealthily.
As I after walked a bit of the main route I was shock at the level of toilet use outside without , any place I saw as a good stealth place for camping was used as a toilet.
I cannot tell from your other posts whether you have actually walked or cycled the Camino Frances already. If not you may find it very different from other routes you have travelled. I would be interested to learn if you still think that Debra's comments are such 'nonesense' after your Camino journey is completed.I can only assumed Debra has never wild camped because some of her assumptions are total nonesense. After 50 years of wild camping, I can assure you of that. Everywhere you wildcamp has been a toilet, according to Debra. So it follows that everywhere you sit down for a rest or picnic, has also been a toilet. How ridiculous is that?
I walk all of the VdlP.I cannot tell from your other posts whether you have actually walked or cycled the Camino Frances already. If not you may find it very different from other routes you have travelled. I would be interested to learn if you still think that Debra's comments are such 'nonesense' after your Camino journey is completed.
Over the years I have bike packed parts of Camino Frances. Finding quiet clean places to put a bivvy bag is really not at all difficult. In my experience, if you walk a couple of hundred meters off almost any track in the world, you can find a spot to lay down.I cannot tell from your other posts whether you have actually walked or cycled the Camino Frances already. If not you may find it very different from other routes you have travelled. I would be interested to learn if you still think that Debra's comments are such 'nonesense' after your Camino journey is completed.
Most threads I have read here and on Facebook are only covering cycling the camino and not bikepacking/camping wild. Is it allowed and possible to do this on any route? Is it allowed to bike camp at dusk/night in the wild without having to pay for an alburgue/hostel.
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