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Did the bishops advocate that all church/monastic albergues/pilgrim hospitals should only work on a donation base? BC SY
Me thinks that the 5-12€ most albergues charge falls in the "very affordable price" for 99.9% of those along the Caminos. I hope noone takes this letter as meaning prices should be dropped or that people should get away with not givingmuch, or anything, when staying in donativos.That's only a recommendation, but it's encouraged, or otherwise to request a very small contribution if necessary for them.
In order to help pilgrims on along their journey, the bishops requested that specifically Christian hostels operate on donations, or at “a very affordable price.”
Thank you for posting.
As a soon to be pilgrim I found these words to be filled with both comfort and support:
The bishops closed the letter noting that, according to Pope Francis, to be a pilgrim means primarily “to be in movement, to be uninstalled, to go out from stillness, which becomes a comfort that paralyzes and waits – inactive, routine, formalistic – and to advance free of conditions, to read with realism the events of existence.”
As one who is walking I will endeavor to offer, although I may at times fail, both my gratitude and humbleness as I accept their hospitality. I will remember that our hosts are offering a gift. A gift of service, labor and faith to each of us. Even to we who are of different faiths or no faith.
My gratitude begins with this forum, with Ivar for his work and service. The moderators who give time and care. And always to those who answer questions, acting as host to we who have not yet begun the journey with our feet.
Hola SY - thanks for link. My Spanish not up to scratch, so I have down loaded the full text and will then get google crome to translate. CheersI just read the Spanish version http://www.catedraldesantiago.es/sites/default/files/pdf/Carta Pastoral Santiago Español web.pdf and it is one of the most precious texts I have ever encountered about Camino Hospitality! SY
French and Spanish versions (Accueil et hospitalité sur le chemin de Saint-Jacques -
Acogida y hospitalidad en el Camino de Santiago are here on the Cathedral's website:
http://www.catedraldesantiago.es/es/carta-pastoral-camino-santiago-2017
French and Spanish versions (Accueil et hospitalité sur le chemin de Saint-Jacques -
Acogida y hospitalidad en el Camino de Santiago are here on the Cathedral's website:
http://www.catedraldesantiago.es/es/carta-pastoral-camino-santiago-2017
Whilst the sentiments of this statement are welcome it is really a reiteration of what the Bishops and the Cathedral of Santiago have been saying for some time. I still perceive a lack of commitment to putting more financial and ministerial resources into the Camino Routes, a strategy to open churches for passing pilgrims and encouraging all churches on routes to welcome pilgrims and offer a blessing.
Unfortunately the good wishes of the bishops has eroded some years ago.
The commercialisation of all routes unfortunately marches on and on.
For example the latest requirement where one must obtain two "stamps"a day is more about commercialism than spiritualism.
Why? Here is my theory. It has never been required before. Calling in and obtaining a "stamp" could mean calling in at a bar. When in the bar what may go through your mind? Oh a nice cold/hot drink/food would be nice. More the bars sells the better it is for commerce.
Subliminal advertising? Yer I know clinical.
The bishops of Spain and France have published a new letter emphasizing the importance of hospitality for people who host pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago, offering guidelines for how they can welcome and care for the spiritual needs of those making the long trek.
For example the latest requirement where one must obtain two "stamps"a day is more about commercialism than spiritualism.
Why? Here is my theory. It has never been required before.
Really? I think I have always (circa 2007) known about the 100km rule, but remember when the posts about the new two-stamps-rules started being discussed here. Maybe 3 years ago?It's been a requirement for as long as the 100K rule has existed..
Hence why I cringe when I read "it's my Camino", or read about people so concerned about their comfort. "To be unistalled", that is, for me, the essence of how and what the Camino can teach us, and what it is all about. The difference between a walker and a pilgrim?Thanks to @jo webber for pointing out this gem, quoting Pope Francis saying "to be a pilgrim means primarily “to be in movement, to be uninstalled, to go out from stillness, which becomes a comfort that paralyzes and waits – inactive, routine, formalistic – and to advance free of conditions, to read with realism the events of existence.” "
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Really? I think I have always (circa 2007) known about the 100km rule, but remember when the posts about the new two-stamps-rules started being discussed here. Maybe 3 years ago?
It was certainly well in place in 2010 when I was planning my first Camino for 2011. I took particular note as I was walking the Camino Ingles and unsure if it would be possible to get a second sello easily some days.Really? I think I have always (circa 2007) known about the 100km rule, but remember when the posts about the new two-stamps-rules started being discussed here. Maybe 3 years ago?
The sources for these two quotes are given in the pastoral letter. One is from Pope Francis' inauguration mass on 19 March 2013, and the French lire avec réalisme les événements is rendered as look at things realistically in English - a lot less poetic than Google's attempt at translating it. Pilgrims or pilgrimages aren't mentioned at all in the address.
@Anemone del Camino
Sorry, I just couldn't let this go without comment.
- Cheminer est donc, pour François, être en mouvement, s’en aller, sortir de la quiétude qui devient commodité paralisante et attente passive,
- Caminar es, por tanto, según Francisco, estar en movimiento, desinstalarse, salir de la quietud, que se hace comodidad que paraliza y espera inactiva,
- according to Pope Francis, to be a pilgrim means primarily "to be in movement, to be uninstalled, to go out from stillness, which becomes a comfort that paralyzes and waits – inactive,
I'm sure it's a wonderful expression and concept. He just never said it.
And when did the 100km rule start?Obviously the 2 stamps rule has been there for some time not just the last 2 or 3 years
One can obviously translate from one language to another and then start interpreting freely but my point was that the phrase is correctly identified in the pastoral letter as a direct quote from Pope Francis' homily at his 'inauguration' in March 2013. He spoke in Italian and said "leggere con realismo gli avvenimenti". The text is on the Vatican's website, together with a version in a number of languages [ AR - DE - EN - ES - FR - HR - IT - PL - PT ] , so if one quotes him one should quote from these versions. That's all. It's actually a basic rule of the (high end section of the) translation trade.
Please - It is a little unfair to take my quote and use it out of context.Obviously the 2 stamps rule has been there for some time not just the last 2 or 3 yearsAnd when did the 100km rule start?
As for the 100km rule I believe that has been there for around 30 years or so, and from @JabbaPapa 's post (which I missed before) so has the 2 stamps per day.It was certainly well in place in 2010 when I was planning my first Camino for 2011. I took particular note as I was walking the Camino Ingles and unsure if it would be possible to get a second sello easily some days.
I walked part stages and one day asked some-one to sign my credencial when passing through their village. That was my second 'sello' that day and was accepted.
Obviously the 2 stamps rule has been there for some time not just the last 2 or 3 years
Really? I think I have always (circa 2007) known about the 100km rule, but remember when the posts about the new two-stamps-rules started being discussed here. Maybe 3 years ago?
So 2002 is when they had a new rule but only really inforced in 2010. And the 100km rule is also from 2010?Just to clarify (I enjoy answering odd questions). In a post by Johnnie Walker , July 5th 2010 he said
"In 2002 the Pilgrim Office in Santiago started asking pilgrims to get two stamps per day in their credenciales or Pilgrim Records.
I didn't see much about penitence or praying near the relics (because, I suspect, a long distance pilgrimage on foot isn't considered a necessary perequisite for either these days).
The words you quoted from Francis are wonderful, that must be the most insightful desciption of pilgrimmage i have heard. We are all fortunate to have this man serving in his prominent position.Thank you for posting.
As a soon to be pilgrim I found these words to be filled with both comfort and support:
The bishops closed the letter noting that, according to Pope Francis, to be a pilgrim means primarily “to be in movement, to be uninstalled, to go out from stillness, which becomes a comfort that paralyzes and waits – inactive, routine, formalistic – and to advance free of conditions, to read with realism the events of existence.”
As one who is walking I will endeavor to offer, although I may at times fail, both my gratitude and humbleness as I accept their hospitality. I will remember that our hosts are offering a gift. A gift of service, labor and faith to each of us. Even to we who are of different faiths or no faith.
My gratitude begins with this forum, with Ivar for his work and service. The moderators who give time and care. And always to those who answer questions, acting as host to we who have not yet begun the journey with our feet.
Slightly edgy here, and I think I'd expect the Moderators to lock this if it went a bit off the rails, but there's an interesting piece about the practices of hospitality towards pilgrims along the Camino in France and Spain :
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/cathol...ess-hospitality-for-camino-de-santiago-hosts/
I think it's relevant to all pilgrims regardless of Faith or lack thereof, even though it's principally destined for hospitaleros, so that I guess it's a hospitalero
Real on time that the biscops reacht on
Slightly edgy here, and I think I'd expect the Moderators to lock this if it went a bit off the rails, but there's an interesting piece about the practices of hospitality towards pilgrims along the Camino in France and Spain :
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/cathol...ess-hospitality-for-camino-de-santiago-hosts/
I think it's relevant to all pilgrims regardless of Faith or lack thereof, even though it's principally destined for hospitaleros, so that I guess it's a hospitalero topic.
Santiago de Compostela, Spain, Jul 14, 2017 / 04:38 pm.
The bishops of Spain and France have published a new letter emphasizing the importance of hospitality for people who host pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago, offering guidelines for how they can welcome and care for the spiritual needs of those making the long trek.
In the letter the bishops noted that hospitality is a tradition that has been practiced in all ages and civilizations, and “is not to question or to prosecute, but only to welcome, to give food and drink, a bed and money for the trip, words of esteem and direction.”
It is the same kindness that Abraham showed to the strangers who came to his door in Mambre, and is “the mercy that the Samaritan showed to the wounded man, carrying him to an inn and leaving money so that he could be healed and recovered during the necessary time,” they said.
Published July 12, the letter is titled “Welcome and Hospitality on the Camino,” and is directed at those who host pilgrims that walk the historic “Camino de Santiago,” or “the Way of St. James.”
Much more at the link for those interested, and it's anyway a good reflection on the relationship between the hospitaleros, and the pilgrims, and the Way.
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