Lindsay Johnston
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- Leon to Santiago (July 2016)
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The website refers to EU law. The two pdf files are dated January 2010 and January 2014. The website text with its long list is not dated but I daresay that it is not the newest of the new. So just one minor remark, actually a quote from the European Commission's website on aviation security: In 2016 the whole set of previous implementing legislation [on aviation security] was updated.Aena manages all airports in Spain. Trekking poles are not allowed as hand luggage in Spain.
http://www.aena.es/csee/Satellite/aeropuertos/en/Page/1048753077970//Hand-luggage.html
The website refers to EU law. The two pdf files are dated January 2010 and January 2014. The website text with its long list is not dated but I daresay that it is not the newest of the new. So just one minor remark, actually a quote from the European Commission's website on aviation security: In 2016 the whole set of previous implementing legislation [on aviation security] was updated.
There have been more updates prior to 2016. I am pretty certain that this is the reason why there is this constant conflict between what people quote from websites and what people report about their own experience at airports.
While looking through EurLex (database of EU law), I was amused to see that the English version of previous legal provisions on aviation security uses the word "alpenstock".
@Lindsay Johnston I second the advice already given: be prepared to check them if necessary.
I had no problem with my trekking pole in my pack as carry on luggage from Madrid to Pamplona or from Madrid to Porto.
They do NOT allow them as carry on for flights OUT of Santiago. But you can check the pole(s) separately for no charge if you want to carry on your pack.
I'm merely offering a potential explanation to puzzled readers of this forum.Aena manages all of Spains Airports ... the list on their website is quite likely to be the one they are using in the security sections in the airports Aena is managing.
I would suggest that anecdotal stories about how-you-got-away-with-it are not helpful.
I wasn't trying to "get away with" anything. Backpacks are always screened carefully. Of the many airports that screened my pack, only Santiago seemed to have a rule about trekking poles, perhaps because of the large volume of them from coming from the Camino(s). Of course there may be others. The OP asked about experiences in Spain and I shared mine.
You will find this: There is no a specify [sic] or definitive list of dangerous objects due of its ambiguity (rods, tripods, sports accessories ...). The final decision rests with the security staff. If you have doubts about some object, please access the security control with enough time in advance.
If you fly from Madrid (Madrid Barajas International Airport), you may also want to consult the airport's website directly: http://www.aeropuertomadrid-barajas.com/eng/home.html
Under The Airport/Restrictions hand luggage/Objects prohibited in hand luggage you will NOT find a list that contains trekking poles. You will find this: There is no a specify [sic] or definitive list of dangerous objects due of its ambiguity (rods, tripods, sports accessories ...). The final decision rests with the security staff. If you have doubts about some object, please access the security control with enough time in advance.
If I were the czar of the forum, which I am not, I would decree that there could be no more discussion of hiking poles as carry ons. I know there are a lot of passionate opinions and beliefs on this topic but I don't think it's fair to characterize one side as the "how you got away with it" side of the debate. There are many pilgrims who have carried on their hiking poles, not trying to get away with anything, and there are some who have been told that they cannot carry them on.
How about a truce for the US debate?
Can we agree that:
1. Many US pilgrims have successfully and with the full knowledge of TSA carried hiking poles on the plane.
2. Some forum members have strong feelings that hiking poles should be banned in the cabin.
3. One US pilgrim forum member has friends whose poles were not allowed through TSA.
I've kept out of the discussions about TSA regulations and US airports, so no comments from my side about this.Its not about strong feelings. The information being provided by TSA and EU regulations regarding hand luggage are clearly indicating trekking poles are not allowed. I don't get it how people are being allowed through with trekking poles in their luggage.
Current EU law - in particular implementing acts which are the subject of discussion - is published in the Official Journal of the European Union. The OJ is online. You will find in the OJ: current law, repealed law, amended law, consolidated versions. Enjoypublished regulations
trekking poles
Definitions, please!published regulations
Definitions, please!
I recommend the following reading material:I've been reading a lot for my entire life ... it bugs me when the words I am reading don't match the facts behind the authorities actions ... perhaps my understanding of the language is deficient ... maybe I should start with 'Dick and Jane' again.
the most important part in that is ... la decisión final queda en manos del personal de seguridad). ... the final decision is in the hands for security ... many on here have said to be prepared to check them and have them in a tube ... I think that is the best advice I have heard here ... best of luck and have a great camino ... un abrazo ...In Spanish it reads as follows: No hay una lista concreta o definitiva de objetos peligrosos debido a su ambiguedad (bastones, trípodes, accesorios deportivos, etc.); la decisión final queda en manos del personal de seguridad).
My Spanish is quite poor but I understand this to mean that bastones in particular have this ambiguity about them. As if we didn't know ....
The website of Barcelona-El Prat to which the OP's question refers has exactly the same text for hand luggage.
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