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I don't think that just because the products you buy are "cruelty free" means that their ingredients have not been tested on animals at some point in time
Does this mean that the testing process goes straight to humans?non of the ingredients were tested on animals
So that is a legal definition? Does it mean that the ingredients have never been tested on animals, or just that they haven't been test recently because they are established as safe? Forgive my cynicism - to me the phrase is subject to being a piece of marketing sophistry.In the uk at least, the label cruelty free means just that - non of the ingredients were tested on animals. We have many reputable high street outlets that specialise in these products.
I believe the current trend is towards computer modelling and in vitro testing.Does this mean that the testing process goes straight to humans?
No. Its worth remembering that Thalidomide worked fine in rats and that hiding behind a wall of separation doesn't make you different. Slush and Body Ship and all the rest can smugly flaunt their ethicals while someone else takes the flak. There is virtually no novel testing these days just assurance testing every X years against established licences.Regarding cynicism - isn't it worth supporting companies that use established ingredients without further animal testing versus L'Oreal, Nivea and the likes who keep on testing for the umpteenth anti ageing cream or shampoo that makes your hair all shiny?
No. Its worth remembering that Thalidomide worked fine in rats and that hiding behind a wall of separation doesn't make you different. Slush and Body Ship and all the rest can smugly flaunt their ethicals while someone else takes the flak. There is virtually no novel testing these days just assurance testing every X years against established licences.
I would prefer that it be tested on something else first...Does this mean that the testing process goes straight to humans?
Any 'product' marketed in the EC is subject to EC regulation on testing. https://eurl-ecvam.jrc.ec.europa.eu...y-acceptance/topical-toxicity/skin-irritation
The rest is just marketing
So that is a legal definition? Does it mean that the ingredients have never been tested on animals, or just that they haven't been test recently because they are established as safe? Forgive my cynicism - to me the phrase is subject to being a piece of marketing sophistry.
Does this mean that the testing process goes straight to humans?
Luckily in Spain many years ago we stopped eating raw children with garlic
Can anybody suggest good and inexpensive toiletry brands I can easily access on the Camino?
I would go to Bodyshop, Lush or Avalon organics at H&B in London for instance. I often use Tesco or Sainsbury's own beands as I know they are cruely free. But I have no idea what kinds of products available in Spain.
I really don't want to buy a piece of P&G...
Everything is made of chemicals.I prefer to buy natural products that aren't and do not need to be tested on animals to begin with because - gasp - they do not contain chemicals.
Everything is made of chemicals.
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-chemical-604316
Well, let me rephrase that:
I prefer to buy natural products that aren't and do not need to be tested on animals to begin with because - gasp - they do not contain chemicals.
And I'd still rather support companies who don't test on animals versus companies who, for example, sell their products in countries where animal testing is still mandatory.
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Lush soap uses EDTA - a chemical.
Handmade soap can be found without EDTA - it does make soap harder.
@Miss K. you poor thing, you asked a perfectly sensible question and listen to the kids bickering about it! Stop it you all!
@Mikel Olivares you are very naughty, but we knew that already.
There is lovely olive oil soap, a Spanish speciality. But just check the ingredients, as it could be 'with olive oil' not 100%. You can easily bring with you things that won't either run out or weigh a ton, like toothpaste. The problem is likely to be sun screen, which you'll probably use a lot of. I think you'll love Spanish pharmacies, they carry quite a lot speciality products and nice natural things.
But I see you are German, there is nothing I have seen like those marvellous health products shops you have there. If it's really important to you bring it with you. Otherwise, compromise for the duration. You're not giving up your values, just doing the best you can. You'll notice tons of threads here where vegans are contemplating giving in to the inevitable.
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