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No, the road and the bridge is much higher and safer than the path with the stepping stones but I don't think I noticed it at the time that it was so easy to switch over to the road at this location. It was only now when @Robo mentioned it and I had a look in Google Earth that I realised this. I guess when you are not familiar with the location and don't have a map you just follow the path and try to use the stepping stones ...I’m guessing if the stone steps are submerged they can’t see them, and the bridge as well is possibly submerged
You probably didn't have to use them because there was not enough water in the stream at the time. When we walked it, the stream had flooded the path a bit but not much. Below is what the location looks like (purple arrow marks the steps); you can see that the path with the steps is much lower than the road and you can go left or right.I walked twice and I do not remember those steps. Why don't I remember those steps?
As can be seen, the road bridge is much higher. This is where I had to stop my 2016 walk after my left IT band snapped.I’m guessing if the stone steps are submerged they can’t see them, and the bridge as well is possibly submerged
True!...I guess when you are not familiar with the location and don't have a map you just follow the path and try to use the stepping stones ...
True!
I guess sometimes you just have to forget that a computer will do everything for you and use some common sense
I found the second spot (just after Bizkarreta) in Google Earth. Pretty amazing what it looked like yesterday (8 April 2018) and when most of us walked it:
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I walked twice and I do not remember those steps. Why don't I remember those steps?Be safe everyone!
The stepping stones shown after Bizkarret look like they are only half done. It also looks like this is an intermittent stream. The one pic shows when it is completely dry.
The main crossing that is being discussed here, before Bizkarret, is crossing the Rio Erro. This one runs all the time, even in the hottest days of Summer. At that time, there is a slot under the concrete pad that allows all to walk across with no danger or contact with the water.
These are quite short mountain streams and they are not fed by snowfields so this kind of minor flooding is short-lived.I hope everyone will be careful and take the high road during this wet season.
It was probably dry when I went through.These are very short mountain streams and they are not fed by snowfields so this kind of minor flooding is short-lived.
Excellent adviceTrue!
I guess sometimes you just have to forget that a computer will do everything for you and use some common sense
Hi mauro, I did not need to go back to burgette. Stopped in espinal as it was closer. I dont know who owned all the hands that pulled me out but I will be forever grateful. For one moment I thought I was about to become another cross on the Camino. Took a bus next day to Pamplona where I looked for you. In ziriquigue tonight. Too cold and wet to go any further. But I am fine now and walking againHeads up: River between Roncesvalles & Zubiri is flooding and many had accidents today. I know of one lady who fell in and was bruised and shaken(had to get taxi to Pamplona) An Asian Man who was hurt when he tumbled in head first when he tried to help her. An Italian man who really hurt his knee when he slipped off one of the submerged stones steps. A Belfast writer took a fall in also and had to be brought back to Burguette. Very dangerous. Please be aware.
No, it was the river just before espinal. What was left of the ford was submerged and the river had burst its banks around itWas it the river just before Bizkarreta?
Isn't there also a road bridge just to the left? No need to cross on those big stepping posts.....
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scaryI was just there two days ago. It is very dangerous and there is a barb wire fence blocking any detour around. We looked in every direction and there were about ten of us. Nothing. We pulled branches and logs from both sides to make a more secure crossing but the kept getting washed away. Also super hard to see and function in blinding wind and rain.
We all made it across amazingly but heard later of quite a few submersions. There are about two other crossings like this before zubiri and two more before Pamplona. We made it to Pamplona today. Lots of water, mud, slippery conditions and very miserable but all is well now that we’ve eaten and had some vino!
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
Sorry to read this and glad that it was just a wet backside and not worse! I noticed the green patches in one of the photos, this must be very slippery.The algae and moss on the concrete path under the water in September is bad for bikes too. The water wasn't running as fast or as high as these photos, but I still got a wet backside!
I was also one of those that was part of the Camino gossip on Sunday. We tried to put some branches down and the concrete pasts were under water. My ninja husband hopped across and I went swimming. Very cold, wet walk to Zubiri! I have recovered and we stayed in a private room that night so I could dry EVERYTHING I owned. Huge negative is the ruined cellphone and having to share my husband’s! How does one figure out how to buy a phone reasonably while walking a Camino?I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
I was also one of those that was part of the Camino gossip on Sunday. We tried to put some branches down and the concrete pasts were under water. My ninja husband hopped across and I went swimming. Very cold, wet walk to Zubiri! I have recovered and we stayed in a private room that night so I could dry EVERYTHING I owned. Huge negative is the ruined cellphone and having to share my husband’s! How does one figure out how to buy a phone reasonably while walking a Camino?
Don't give up on the phone. Do you have access to a hairdryer? I have heard of that working... Glad there is no lasting human damage to you.I was also one of those that was part of the Camino gossip on Sunday. We tried to put some branches down and the concrete pasts were under water. My ninja husband hopped across and I went swimming. Very cold, wet walk to Zubiri! I have recovered and we stayed in a private room that night so I could dry EVERYTHING I owned. Huge negative is the ruined cellphone and having to share my husband’s! How does one figure out how to buy a phone reasonably while walking a Camino?
Dreadful event, but thank God you are alive and well, and walking, and able to tell the tale. You might come across your angels, but their reward is your safe recovery. Animo, and safe onward Camino.Hi mauro, I did not need to go back to burgette. Stopped in espinal as it was closer. I dont know who owned all the hands that pulled me out but I will be forever grateful. For one moment I thought I was about to become another cross on the Camino. Took a bus next day to Pamplona where I looked for you. In ziriquigue tonight. Too cold and wet to go any further. But I am fine now and walking again
You can get one in Pamplona, but buying the state of the art may be expensive. You might try a "burner" phone. I have not seen used phones there, but you could search for one.How does one figure out how to buy a phone reasonably while walking a Camino?
More danger, the trail out of puente la reina no longer exists. Washed away by river. Authorities have closed the road down to it. Bussed to EstellaHeads up: River between Roncesvalles & Zubiri is flooding and many had accidents today. I know of one lady who fell in and was bruised and shaken(had to get taxi to Pamplona) An Asian Man who was hurt when he tumbled in head first when he tried to help her. An Italian man who really hurt his knee when he slipped off one of the submerged stones steps. A Belfast writer took a fall in also and had to be brought back to Burguette. Very dangerous. Please be aware.
More danger, th
More danger, the trail out of puente la reina no longer exists. Washed away by river. Authorities have closed the road down to it. Bussed to Estella
You will ve able to buy a cheap phone in Pamplona, either from Orange or Vodaphone. I bought one in Estella.I was also one of those that was part of the Camino gossip on Sunday. We tried to put some branches down and the concrete pasts were under water. My ninja husband hopped across and I went swimming. Very cold, wet walk to Zubiri! I have recovered and we stayed in a private room that night so I could dry EVERYTHING I owned. Huge negative is the ruined cellphone and having to share my husband’s! How does one figure out how to buy a phone reasonably while walking a Camino?
Yesterday we came through from Roncesvalles. The road is the best bet. There were multiple places where creeks flooded the trail completely, and a group forded a stream knee deep with varying degrees of success. Terrible conditions, but will improve if the rain stops.I am trekking in reverse from Pamplona to SJPP starting Tuesday. I would appreciate it if this thread stays active with those reporting who are arriving in Pamplona from SJPP. Did anyone come through Zubiri today? I am eager to know what to expect.
great map, will look out for this. thanksYou probably didn't have to use them because there was not enough water in the stream at the time. When we walked it, the stream had flooded the path a bit but not much. Below is what the location looks like (purple arrow marks the steps); you can see that the path with the steps is much lower than the road and you can go left or right.
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I do not remember noticing the road bridge when I passed that way in September. Like you said, I just followed the path and used the stepping stones but they were dry and quite safe at the time.No, the road and the bridge is much higher and safer than the path with the stepping stones but I don't think I noticed it at the time that it was so easy to switch over to the road at this location. It was only now when @Robo mentioned it and I had a look in Google Earth that I realised this. I guess when you are not familiar with the location and don't have a map you just follow the path and try to use the stepping stones ...
Wow, how amazing! I walked this path four times and always walked across the stone blocks.You probably didn't have to use them because there was not enough water in the stream at the time. When we walked it, the stream had flooded the path a bit but not much. Below is what the location looks like (purple arrow marks the steps); you can see that the path with the steps is much lower than the road and you can go left or right.
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This pilgrim blogger - https://caminojen.com/2018/04/08/day-4-slip-sliding-away/ - describes a similar situation after Biskarret yesterday 8 April 2018 (the one discussed above is before Biskarret). I don't remember this particular spot but the solution is the same, according to the blogger: look around and take the option of by-passing it by walking on the road instead of trying to cross the stream that is carrying too much water due to recent heavy and continuous rainfalls; without the risk of slipping on the wet stones and getting really wet or even hurting yourself. After Biskarret on 8 April 2018:Before Biskarret on 7 April 2018:
No, it was the river just before espinal. What was left of the ford was submerged and the river had burst its banks around it
Was it the river just before Bizkarreta?
Isn't there also a road bridge just to the left? No need to cross on those big stepping posts.....
We crossed on june and it was nice,no water thereI think this is the same place in April 2012. (I walked on the road!)View attachment 41005
I walked through the algae September 1, 2017 and slipped, twisting my knee. I limped into Zubiri and then all the way to Leon. I should have walked the stepping stones even though the river was only about 2" deep. Darn!!!The algae and moss on the concrete path under the water in September is bad for bikes too. The water wasn't running as fast or as high as these photos, but I still got a wet backside!
Practical Planning - The advanced Course!I am thinking I should either pack a kayak or one of those flyfisherman thingys that puts a pair of chest waders to a big inner tube. Skates, I need to get a pair of rollerskates so I can make better time on the downhills. Now, add a helium balloon, I can counter the weight of all that stuff.View attachment 41159
That was about what happened to me, same place, in 2016. I am back on it in 3 weeks, this time to the Sea.did limp into Zubiri too as my bad knee went,so took the bus to Pamplona and that was the end of my 2117 camino,but i will be ready for another one next year.buen camino to all.
Small note to everyone, Bizkarret has a number of accepted spellings, including, "Viscarret, Bizcarret, Bizkarret and Viskarret." The last one, I found in the Brierley Guide. There are actually several in the same village on Google Maps. Strange.
Huge negative is the ruined cellphone ...
That was about what happened to me, same place, in 2016. I am back on it in 3 weeks, this time to the Sea.
I will be walking the CF until it is complete, also out to Muxia and finally to Fisterre. It is a bucket list thing.Michelle wish you good Camino,which route are you taking.
Saturday 14th. Have just walked Roncesvalles to Zubiri. The sun has shone all day and track is drying out. The flooded stepping stones just before Biskarette still have water going over them, use the road for 50 metres.
Certain sections between Espinal and Alto de Erro muddy. The descent from Alto de Erro to Zubiri muddy, slippery and quite dangerous in parts. Take care, go with caution. Linda
I will be walking the CF until it is complete, also out to Muxia and finally to Fisterre. It is a bucket list thing.
I haven't used the direct route into Zubiri before. With bad legs I used the alternative road route in 2015. Never again though. (Dangerously close to traffic on hairpins)
So we'll use the direct route in a couple of weeks.
Is it all steep and slippery or just short sections? My partner in crime has even worse legs that me......
Personally, if it is wet, I always dread the last several kilometers down the boulder trail. The rocks are slippery as heck.
I haven't used the direct route into Zubiri before. With bad legs I used the alternative road route in 2015. Never again though. (Dangerously close to traffic on hairpins)
So we'll use the direct route in a couple of weeks.
Is it all steep and slippery or just short sections? My partner in crime has even worse legs that me......
I was one of those submersion. Up to my neck, left leg hooked on something and right leg could not feel bottom. Took three big guys a few attempts to get me out. Very scary
More than scary, Tom. So glad you are OK!I dont know who owned all the hands that pulled me out but I will be forever grateful. For one moment I thought I was about to become another cross on the Camino.
Huge negative is the ruined cellphone
It's definitely a bummer, but @kirkie's right. I dropped a camera in a stream and it was magically restored after putting it in a bag of (raw!) rice - it acts as a natural desiccant. Maybe this would work for your phone?Don't give up on the phone.
The slippery part is the last bit. You could take the road from that place where you cross the road at Alto de Erro, (there’s a food cart there) but walk the first part of the trail. It’s a pretty walk.
Camino debrita you were very like that those 3 big guys rescue you I am sure you were soaked, hope you have recover and enjoy the rest of the camino,keep safe.So glad you survived it!
You intend to start 10 days from now. Already today, 15 April 2018, according to official information, the rivers in the whole area through which the Camino Frances runs are back to normal again. See below, blue=normal. Buen camino!Reading about the flooding, would it not be better for me to just start walking in Pamplona? Starting around 25 April.
That's exactly what I did first time. It was so dangerous with oncoming traffic on hairpin bends I honestly thought the Police were going to stop me. They passed a couple of times. Not fair on the drivers......
Sorry didn't want to hijack this thread........
Who needs Venice?????According to the news, Navarra has activated for today its "emergency level 1" because of inundations. Quite dramatic photos of masses of water in the rivers such as the Arga in Pamplona and flooding of surrounding areas ...
I don't recall this location but it's in Villava just before you enter Pamplona. Note the sign on the right ...
I haven't used the direct route into Zubiri before. With bad legs I used the alternative road route in 2015. Never again though. (Dangerously close to traffic on hairpins)
So we'll use the direct route in a couple of weeks.
Is it all steep and slippery or just short sections? My partner in crime has even worse legs that me......
This is a great link! Thank you!You intend to start 10 days from now. Already today, 15 April 2018, according to official information, the rivers in the whole area through which the Camino Frances runs are back to normal again. See below, blue=normal. Buen camino!
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http://www.navarra.es/appsext/AguaEnNavarra/ctaMapa.aspx?IDOrigenDatos=1&IDMapa=1
We dropped a camera in the water here too. Cooling our feet off in August! We used the little packets from pill bottles that keep moisture out of medicine. Worked great. Next morning camera worked fine after leaving it in a bag with the little packets.More than scary, Tom. So glad you are OK!
It's definitely a bummer, but @kirkie's right. I dropped a camera in a stream and it was magically restored after putting it in a bag of (raw!) rice - it acts as a natural desiccant. Maybe this would work for your phone?
Oh, my, such experiences. Stay safe out there, everyone!
That water felt sooooo good in August but as we got up to walk to the edge and put our shoes on we had a mishap. Just as I said "watch out for the moss" down went my husband, camera and pack.Yes we did the same in june so nice brake after all the walking ,cooling our feet in the water and meet all the peregrinos .
Wow- the river was just to the edge of this park when I was there the 9th. Had a hard time getting to Trinidad de Arre - a local man walked with us for an hour to show us the way, navigating numerous detours since many of the lower bridges were submerged.According to the news, Navarra has activated for today its "emergency level 1" because of inundations. Quite dramatic photos of masses of water in the rivers such as the Arga in Pamplona and flooding of surrounding areas ...
I don't recall this location but it's in Villava just before you enter Pamplona. Note the sign on the right ...
I'm glad you are okay, Terry. That must've been quite a scare. It will make an interesting tale in the next book, though. The silver lining... Stay safe and buen camino!Hi mauro, I did not need to go back to burgette. Stopped in espinal as it was closer. I dont know who owned all the hands that pulled me out but I will be forever grateful. For one moment I thought I was about to become another cross on the Camino. Took a bus next day to Pamplona where I looked for you. In ziriquigue tonight. Too cold and wet to go any further. But I am fine now and walking again
No the river before Espinal
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