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Hola @JollyStarfish , Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the responses, but if you think these are awesome! Hang around and you will see "how" the real experienced camino pilgrims respond and quickly. Cheers.Wow, you guys are awesome! If you read this, let me know how it was.
Thanks for your response. I mentioned in my original post that Brierley uses the municipal albergues or the church in small towns for his measurements. I know that. I think you misunderstood me about distances. This is my 4th Camino and I have walked over 3,500k so far, loving all of it. I know how to train my body to be ready and listen to my body. I am 64 years old and, I hope I am being clearer now is the following. I have added up the distances from the same points in both guides and there are times that the differences are as much as 3 or 4k and sometimes even a little more. Early on in the Camino Norte I am trying to keep my distances at about 20k. Later I know I can do more. I live in a very hot humid and tropical climate so I cannot walk a really long distances at home to prepare. But I can sufficiently train. I just want to know if it is possible to determine which guide Wise or Gronze may be a little more accurate in their distances.Hola @It56ny; congratulations. You have now actually read your guide book thoroughly. Now to answer your questions and here I will paraphrase St John Brierley where he mentions certain discrepancies & I think his response was it really depends upon where you are measuring from. In Brierley's case his starting point on day 2 is his stopping point (usually a named albergue) from day 1. I am not aware of which/what datum either of the above authors has used, so maybe a bit closer study is required.
As for walking 27 km on day 2 after 30 km on day 1, well may I respectfully suggest either do more training or do more route planning. Now to be a bit more polite after Pamplona unless time is critical do not worry about distances walked each day, stop whenever you feel you have walked far enough. Best wishes. Buen Camino.
No sulking just walking thats all. Part of the pleasure is the pain! Ha ha and the camino is the only experience I have had where the harder it is and the longer you walk, instead of feeling more tired and down, as we often feel in life, we get stronger and stronger! That is a great feeling.Distances change. I have walked three "official" routes out of Portomarin due to trail washouts and reconstruction. I am not even sure how I would know I had walked 17.3 km on a section that a book says is 17.1 km. Early guidebooks used a measuring wheel. Modern guidebooks use GPS or a map trace. Peter Robins old website was his tracking GPS tracing (you could see an occasional walkabout in a village on some).
As a practical matter, there will be two choices. Keep walking until you get where you want to be. Sit down and sulk because the guidebook is wrong.
Maybe it is longer because we are all 4 years older!!!!Distances certainly change.
In 2014 the first image shows 50kms to Santiago.
4 years later, at the exact same spot, it is 51,629kms to Santiago.
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Thanks for that in-depth answer that did help.In my discussions with Michael (Wise Pilgrim guide author) he explained to me that he uses a GPS receiver mounted to his mountain bicycle. He follows established Camino trails and standardizes the distance at the steps of the church or town square, whichever is most located centrally at the destination.
This follows the standard for setting distances from Santiago. You may have noticed that smack in the center of Plaza Obradoiro there is a medallion set in an engraved plaque. If I recall correctly, it is a representation of a Compass Rose (but I might be conflating it with something else in the depths of my memory). Someone who is there can maybe corroborate this recollection. But it IS in the center of the plaza, of that I am certain.
Anyway, THIS is the 'official' log point for surveying or calculating distances from "Santiago." I do recall using the maps app on my iPhone to calculate the exact distance from that point in the plaza to my home in Florida. FYI, it happens to be 6,591 km. If I ever obtain a mojone / distance marker for my garden at home, THAT is what the engraved distance plaque will say.
Hope this helps. I rely on Michael to corroborate or correct what I said regarding his measurements in the Wise Pilgrim Guides.
NOTE: Last year, the previously held 'official' distance of 775 km from Saint Jean Pied de Port to Santiago was amended to increase the distance to 799 km. No one moved anywhere. What changed is the METHOD for measurement.
Previous measuring was done with a rod and rope, or a surveyor's wheel. Both methods have significant built-in or human-induced errors. The current technique uses GPS positioning. It is infinitely more accurate.
I suggest that this might be the difference between Gronze and Wise distance accounting. The variation can be explained either by the tool used to calculate or measure distance, OR the beginning and end points for the subject measurement. I had learned that historical measurements from taken from the bottom of the church steps in each town or village. This discussion is an elaboration of that paradigm.
Hope this helps.
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