AlexHamilton
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- May2023
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I wonder what makes you think you are entitled to even ask such a thing. If the drone is being flown legally, you might just have to accept that, and learn how to walk without letting such things be distractions from your reflection. Don't expect others, locals or other pilgrims, to modify their behaviour when they are going about their normal daily business or engaging in normal recreational pursuits.2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
Perhaps the pilgrims were an integral part of the images the operator was aiming to capture? In any case are there many moments in daylight this time of year when the Cruz de Ferro is free of pilgrims? I am not a fan of drones myself (or of the Cruz de Ferro in its current expression either for that matter) but I do not think that my personal preference for silence has any priority over the rights of others to carry on their legal if objectionable activities.Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around.
Don't you just hate it when others try to enjoy their Camino as well.2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
Sometimes. Quite often in fact. There are lots of things about the Camino Frances in peak season that I deeply dislike. Large groups noisily blocking the path while moving at 2km per hour. High-speed cyclists hunting in packs. Luggage vans everywhere. Bars and restaurants packed with shouting punters. I go much further than the OP in my dislike of drones - personally I would love to see them banned for recreational use and limited to licensed professionals for strictly utilitarian purposes. Not just on the Caminos. It does terrible things to my blood pressure to see attention-seeking narcissists filming their every Camino step and then flooding the interwebs with their manically cheerful output. But I am realistic enough to realise that I do not get to create the Camino to fit my own idealised pattern and I do not get to set the rules for everyone else to follow. If I am misguided enough to choose to walk the Camino Frances between April and October then I have to resign myself to encountering all the less attractive aspects of an 800km linear theme park as well as its undoubted joys.Don't you just hate it when others try to enjoy their Camino as well.
Sort of. I have come to accept that, particularly in the last 100 km from towns like Sarria and Tui, there will be some crowding, and many more pilgrims keen to get to Santiago than any sections of the CF or CP that I walked before that. In the past, some of their behaviour has been awful. But most isn't. If I put my mind to it, I can still walk in quiet reflection, knowing that if there is more noise, I can either listen to it and let it annoy me, or I can ignore it.Don't you just hate it when others try to enjoy their Camino as well.
2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
I wondered what had happened to Victor Meldrew.......Sometimes. Quite often in fact. There are lots of things about the Camino Frances in peak season that I deeply dislike. Large groups noisily blocking the path while moving at 2km per hour. High-speed cyclists hunting in packs. Luggage vans everywhere. Bars and restaurants packed with shouting punters. I go much further than the OP in my dislike of drones - personally I would love to see them banned for recreational use and limited to licensed professionals for strictly utilitarian purposes. Not just on the Caminos. It does terrible things to my blood pressure to see attention-seeking narcissists filming their every Camino step and then flooding the interwebs with their manically cheerful output. But I am realistic enough to realise that I do not get to create the Camino to fit my own idealised pattern and I do not get to set the rules for everyone else to follow. If I am misguided enough to choose to walk the Camino Frances between April and October then I have to resign myself to encountering all the less attractive aspects of an 800km linear theme park as well as its undoubted joys.
Alas.I'm one of those grouchy entitled people who don't like drones.
I'm on the Camino to reflect, to pray, to enjoy nature, not to hear the noise from the drone and not to have my privacy invaded (I've seen them buzzing at the window! obviously looking in!)
Placing your stone and sending up your prayers can be rudely interrupted by people who don't respect other people's Camino, much in the same way the Mass can be interrupted by noisy, chattering tourists who won't respect the prayers and privacy of the people celebrating the Mass and/or simply praying.
Some of these answers seem a little snarky.
I think it's ok to ask people to please be considerate.
Personally, I'd like to see drones banned.
Agree completely.Some of these answers seem a little snarky.
I think it's ok to ask people to please be considerate.
Of course it is. I just don't think it's okay to direct people to not do things which it seems they are perfectly entitled to do.I think it's ok to ask people to please be considerate.
It is fair to point out the implications of such behaviour, but perhaps not fair or accurate to assume stereotypical motives and personality flaws in the person doing it.Why should we not be able to call out people who create intrusive noise?
Absolutely not fair, because we have no idea.perhaps not fair
For a short time I used to change my avatar here quite frequently - working my way through a series of images of famously grumpy Scottish men. Victor was one of them...I wondered what had happened to Victor Meldrew.......
Same. But birds are welcome.startling, noisy flying thing zooms down within walking-pole range of me, I will not be responsible for damage done.
If a drone-sized bird flies at me, I may just swing at it in self-defense.Same. But birds are welcome.
Since I have never had a drone fly above me, when this happened on the Camino a few weeks ago, my husband and I were curious and just waved at the drone.2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
If it is that close, it is being flown within the minimum distance rules. Just the same as being at a window in an albergue. I think such incidents should be reported, even better if you can identify the drone pilot, albeit that is going to be more difficult. They should be within line of sight of the drone, but that might be quite a large area to find them in.Whilst walking alone on a stretch of the Rio Valcarce, I was swooped-upon twice by what I thought was a falcon or some small bird of prey. It gave me a real scare! Then I realized it was a particularly obnoxious drone... and I wished he'd tried for a third. (Years of collegiate field hockey skills have stayed with me!)
Well, I am with you, they may be legal, but that doesn't mean they're polite or reasonable.2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
Could care less about drones or photographers shooting anything that stands still. My biggest bugbear is cyclists who have no social awareness. Standing on the mound at the Cruz waving their bikes in the air and then knocking me over on the path down when they should have been on the road a meter or do from the path. They buy expensive bikes then won't spend a couple of euro more for a bell or horn. They become obsessed with speed on downhills with no consideration for walking pilgrims. Give me drone operators any day. Btw, I don't have it in for all cyclists. The majority are decent people. Sat on the trail shortly after Portomarin one time treating a cyclists blisters. Only charged him his bike. He took the joke and stopped later on as he passed to thank me.et a a few but too many stories to repeat. So once again, no problem with drones. We don't see them that often and if they were pilgrims documenting their Camino, sure I get to drift away back to Spain when I sit at home watching their videos on YouTube. Life is too short to be getting annoyed at what is basically a trivial thing in this great big world2 men flying their drone around the Cruz de Farro this morning. I was hoping for a quiet moment of reflection but instead I got noise. Please be mindful of other’s experiences here on the Camino. Fly your drones when pilgrims aren’t around. Thanks!
Could care less about drones or photographers shooting anything that stands still. My biggest bugbear is cyclists who have no social awareness. Standing on the mound at the Cruz waving their bikes in the air and then knocking me over on the path down when they should have been on the road a meter or do from the path. They buy expensive bikes then won't spend a couple of euro more for a bell or horn. They become obsessed with speed on downhills with no consideration for walking pilgrims. Give me drone operators any day. Btw, I don't have it in for all cyclists. The majority are decent people.
Stephan, I won't go into details but I have been buzzed by a lot worse than drones so they don't bother me. Read my post again. I am referring to a particular group of cyclists. The vast majority are just pilgrims like meI would venture to guess that you've never been buzzed by an aggressive drone. And I found most bicyclists on the Camino to be extremely polite, including myself.
I would take a bicyclist waving his bicycle over his head over being buzzed by a drone any day.
I got what you meant, but what I think we're really talking about here is impoliteness.Stephan, I won't go into details but I have been buzzed by a lot worse than drones so they don't bother me. Read my post again. I am referring to a particular group of cyclists. The vast majority are just pilgrims like me
So by flying drones around the cruz de ferro, these drone pilots were doing something illegal. Because as I recall, there are two buildings, a picnic shelter and a church, within 50 or 75 metersThere are many rules for drones, for instance:
https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-spain/
Drone pilots must maintain a distance of 150 meters (492 feet) from buildings, and a distance of 50 meters (164 feet) or more from people not involved in the flight.
So by flying drones around the cruz de ferro, these drone pilots were doing something illegal. Because as I recall, there are two buildings, a picnic shelter and a church, within 50 or 75 meters
of the cross.
Although the regulations listed on that page seem a little contradictory because at the bottom, they say they can be flown around urban areas if they are less then 20 meters in the air. Obviously, you're going to be much closer to buildings.
OK my anti-drone ranting is done for the day. Peace.
As I said, I despise drones. And I certainly don’t want them flying around me for any reason.l distance and his camera may not zoom in on Alex Hamilton. Because Alex is not there in an official role.
He is simply getting on with his life. He has not given permission to have his picture taken. Should the council of Foncebadón use images of Alex Hamilton in which he is recognizable, they are in the wrong. Alex can demand that these images are deleted from their website(s) and other publications.
Of course, this is a long way to go for someone who only wanted a quiet moment. The best solution imo would be to expand the official drone-free areas. Until that happens: report and keep on reporting.
Yes, there are regulations around that. However, we have no legal advisory team on the forum, and all of the forum opinions on this issue must be considered as internet chatter.But, if you’re talking about privacy regulations like that, you would also be saying people couldn’t take photographs with people on the street? Or anywhere, without getting a waiver.
Really?
Yes, there are regulations around that. However, we have no legal advisory team on the forum, and all of the forum opinions on this issue must be considered as internet chatter.
My apologies if I seemed rude. I am dismayed that my efforts to put things in context have been so badly received. It was not intended to be personal or ungrateful.I am really lost for words. Many of us give our time and energy to explain how things in Europe are different from other continents. And then a MODERATOR of all people calls our efforts OPINIONS and INTERNET CHATTER??
Whatever happened to being kind? to begin with? a bit of gratitude? manners?
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