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If you are entitled to an Irish passport, I would advise getting one. Thousands of Brits have already done soSomeone asked about the conditions of travel from the UK to the EU from January 1st.
The detailed answer to that question is here : travelling_en_3.pdf (europa.eu)
Notably --
- for short stays in the Schengen area, UK nationals will be subject to limitations as regards the authorised duration of stay within the Schengen area (with a maximum of 90 days in a 180-day period
- for long stays, they will in principle require a residence permit or long stay visa issued by national authorities, under national or Union rule
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- the purpose (e.g. tourism or work) and the conditions of the intended stay (e.g. accommodation, internal travels
- the existence of sufficient means of subsistence (i.e. having sufficient means to pay for the intended stay and return travel
The EU has exempted, with effect of the end of the transition period, UK nationals from the requirement to be in possession of a short-stay visa when crossing the external borders, where the intended duration of the stay in the Schengen area is up to 90 days within any 180-day period.
A continued exemption from the visa requirement will require that nationals of all EU Member States are equally exempted from UK short-stay visa requirements, following the visa reciprocity principle. In any case, the exemption granted to UK nationals will not apply to non-EU family members of UK nationals, who will be subject or exempted from the visa requirement depending on their nationality in accordance with applicable visa rules (see below
Moreover, as from the end of the transition period, Member States can decide individually whether to require UK nationals planning to carry out a paid activity during their stay to apply for a short-stay visa.
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Checks on exit include verification of
- the possession of a valid travel document for crossing the external border;
- verification that the person did not exceed the maximum duration of stay in the territory of the Member States;
I remember visiting the UK before it joined the Common market and it was a nightmare once in Dover! Had to leave the car whilst it was thoroughly searched - not just ours, all cars.... There were special parking spaces for it but of course there were queues. We were questioned about how much money we had, what we intended to do, etc. I was a young teen-ager then but I have never forgotten! In other countries (Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Italy) you only had to show your passport at the border.Some of us an still remember travel before we joined the Common Market/European Economic Community/European Union and we managed pretty well then and this doesn't seem too different. Personally I think that leaving the EU is a massive error but this is not the place to discuss that. Logistics companies and Civil Servants have a long history of making things happen as long as they can keep it away from the politicians. There will be disruption but I have every confidence that my old professional coleagues will sort it out BUT there will be a cost. Fortunately I have a cupboard full of lavatory paper already.
The major difference for UK citizens with those days is that you could stay in most countries for up to 6 months without having to seek residency there -- although the laws did vary in this respect from one country to another.Some of us an still remember travel before we joined the Common Market/European Economic Community/European Union and we managed pretty well then and this doesn't seem too different.
Sounds like you were unlucky, as that seems quite unusual.I remember visiting the UK before it joined the Common market and it was a nightmare once in Dover! Had to leave the car whilst it was thoroughly searched - not just ours, all cars....
Really, I would say again that much of this discussion is pointless at this moment in time because both the future rules in January 2021 concerning the situation after the end of the post-Brexit transition period as well as concerning COVID-19 are unclear and/or changing all the time: at EU level, at the national level of each EU country and even at regional levels.Am I correct in thinking that despite residing in the UK, I can still travel as any other EU citizen using my Irish passport? Or does residency in itself imply travel restrictions?
Yes -- though you will have passport controls etc entering any EU country from the UK except Ireland.Am I correct in thinking that despite residing in the UK, I can still travel as any other EU citizen using my Irish passport? Or does residency in itself imply travel restrictions?
It depends. The EU’s travel restrictions/ban of entry into the EU are a recommendation. Each country can follow it, make it stronger, make it weaker, or ignore it. Spain for example followed it. I checked the relevant Spanish law; it is valid until 31 December 2020 - nothing decided yet for later.Am I correct in thinking that despite residing in the UK, I can still travel as any other EU citizen using my Irish passport? Or does residency in itself imply travel restrictions?
I must have misunderstood a question. I thought the poster had asked about travel restrictions and whether they would apply to his specific situation or not.Kathar1na, this is not a thread about Covid restrictions -- it's about general travel rules from the UK to the EU from 1st January onwards in relation to the UK no longer being a Member State of the EU.
Be very careful. It can take up to a year... and your existing passport languishes over in the West of Ireland meantime!!!If you are entitled to an Irish passport, I would advise getting one. Thousands of Brits have already done so
Victorian London managed pretty well with horse drawn cabs and horse drawn trams but that doesn't mean to say they'd be acceptable now, does it?Some of us an still remember travel before we joined the Common Market/European Economic Community/European Union and we managed pretty well then and this doesn't seem too different. Personally I think that leaving the EU is a massive error but this is not the place to discuss that. Logistics companies and Civil Servants have a long history of making things happen as long as they can keep it away from the politicians. There will be disruption but I have every confidence that my old professional coleagues will sort it out BUT there will be a cost. Fortunately I have a cupboard full of lavatory paper already.
I remember driving into Spain at the end of August when the whole of France seemed to be trying to complete the "retour" through the one border crossing at Le Perthus. Half a dozen cars trying to enter Spain and a gazillion trying to get out - chaos!Funny I had exactly the same experience twice, once in France in Calais before we even boarded the ferry, which I found mighty strange only time it ever happened, and then crossing over from France to Spain there was a 3 hour delay the Spanish Border police had decided to practically strip every car crossing that day.
Duty free shopping returns - can't wait to see the look on people's faces when they find out that's 5 crates of beer and 200 cigarettes per adult. Have you seen how much people try and bring back on a day trip to the Calais wine warehouses?The major difference for UK citizens with those days is that you could stay in most countries for up to 6 months without having to seek residency there -- although the laws did vary in this respect from one country to another.
The only real positives as far as travel goes is that duty free shopping returns on January 1st, and the absence of any visa requirements for UK nationals.
Yes -- though you will have passport controls etc entering any EU country from the UK except Ireland.
But since there will be an additional burden on entry after 1st January because of the pandemic "Covid rules" apply - even if only temporarily.Kathar1na, this is not a thread about Covid restrictions -- it's about general travel rules from the UK to the EU from 1st January onwards in relation to the UK no longer being a Member State of the EU.
Doesn't everybody entering the EU through an airport have to go through passport control?Yes -- though you will have passport controls etc entering any EU country from the UK except Ireland.
Some might argue preferable....and in some countries readily available.Victorian London managed pretty well with horse drawn cabs and horse drawn trams but that doesn't mean to say they'd be acceptable now, does it?
And 18 litres (24 standard bottles) of wine.Duty free shopping returns - can't wait to see the look on people's faces when they find out that's 5 crates of beer and 200 cigarettes per adult. Have you seen how much people try and bring back on a day trip to the Calais wine warehouses?
Get a bigger pack.And 18 litres (24 standard bottles) of wine.
What is odd though ... somehow I cannot visualise that I can fit 24 bottles of wine into my backpack. Which claims to have a volume of 36 litres. So ... 48 bottles max???
Theoretical question. I never buy wine in Calais. In fact, I am currently waiting for a few bottles of Rioja to be delivered to my front door ... in fond memory of a most enjoyable meal in Santo Domingo de la Calzada where we had wine from the same vineyard.Get a bigger pack.
But not everyone traveling from one EU Member State to another does, as many of us who have walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles can testify.Doesn't everybody entering the EU through an airport have to go through passport control?
So far as I recall there ain't no airport between StJ & Roncesvalles. As Jeff said "everybody entering the EU" needs to go through passport control. If you are already in the EU, France, and cross the border into Spain, you were already in the EU. No border control 'cos there ain't no geo-political border. I've crossed the Franco/Spanish border when it was a border, having been checked that I didn't have a rucksack full of fags or Bayonne Ham I was sent on my way.But not everyone traveling from one EU Member State to another does, as many of us who have walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles can testify.
Morrisons had a Rioja which I really enjoyed on Camino last year, usually £11 a bottle but on offer three for £18. I do love a bargain!!Theoretical question. I never buy wine in Calais. In fact, I am currently waiting for a few bottles of Rioja to be delivered to my front door ... in fond memory of a most enjoyable meal in Santo Domingo de la Calzada where we had wine from the same vineyard.
You've never taken the Channel Tunnel then? There's French staff in Kent and British staff in France. Your details are checked by both countries on both sides of the Channel before boarding the train.But not everyone traveling from one EU Member State to another does, as many of us who have walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles can testify.
A clarification though -- The UK has never been and now never will be a part of the Schengen area ; but as the fact was, passport controls on the French side of the Channel ferry links have always been anything between basically absent and systematic depending on a wide range of unpredictable transient factors.
Some people appear to think that this sort of detail contradicts what I wrote.You've never taken the Channel Tunnel then? There's French staff in Kent and British staff in France. Your details are checked by both countries on both sides of the Channel before boarding the train.
On returning home to the unwelcoming faces of Border Control at Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted I have often wondered why I am bothering to come home and whether it was worth stayingTo put it simply: all my life, there have been passport controls when I travelled from France to the UK or from the UK to France.
First, because everyone controlled passports.
Then because the UK was not part of Schengen, unlike France.
In future because the UK is not part of Schengen and not part of the EU, unlike France.
Throughout the whole time, I was occasionally quizzed as to why I wanted to enter the UK and how long I was planning to stay.
The attitude of immigration and customs officials is universal, it comes with the territory. I still have night sweats of my experience on entering the U.S.On returning home to the unwelcoming faces of Border Control at Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted I have often wondered why I am bothering to come home and whether it was worth staying
Best not try that one at US border control ...Grumpy looking Border Control, "Where have you been?".
Tinker, "Abroad".
"Where are you going?"
"Home."
"I can make you cooperate."
"Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary."
Well, you've got to try & get a smile out of 'em haven't you
From personal experience I can confirm that they have zero sense of humour.Best not try that one at US border control ...
From personal experience I can confirm that they have zero sense of humour.
Stansted Airport, after having queued for over an hour only to have my ePassport rejected by the machine I then queued for another 45 minutes to be processed by a Border Control Official:Grumpy looking Border Control, "Where have you been?".
Tinker, "Abroad".
"Where are you going?"
"Home."
"I can make you cooperate."
"Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary."
Well, you've got to try & get a smile out of 'em haven't you
I wouldn't conclude that he understood. I have watched a family member go through border control, answering the officer's question with a completely irrelevant and nonsensical answer (due to misunderstanding). The officer cheerfully stamped the passport anyway. I think it was a case of him thinking "this idiot makes no sense, but I've met my quota for the day so I'll let him through."He just laughed and waived us through.
Oh dear, I think I have heard this somewhere before - show us the marks!I'd love to leave the UK for the EU sadly things get in the way . . . https://tinyurl.com/ycxcxrs9
However it does give me a chance to brag, in 1999 I was the engineer responsible for the construction of the national cycle routes out of Dover:
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I think they are the only things I ever built that are visible on Google Earth!
However it does give me a chance to brag, in 1999 I was the engineer responsible for the construction of the national cycle routes out of Dover:
My wife who worked in Heathrow said you know when you've annoyed people at Immigration when you hear the slap of rubber gloves on wrists coming from two officers walking towards you.I wouldn't conclude that he understood. I have watched a family member go through border control, answering the officer's question with a completely irrelevant and nonsensical answer (due to misunderstanding). The officer cheerfully stamped the passport anyway. I think it was a case of him thinking "this idiot makes no sense, but I've met my quota for the day so I'll let him through."
Did you actually read this to the official, Tinker? I wonder how many holders of the blue passport bothered to read it. Have not got my red one at hand right now to see whether it is there.Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary."
Did you actually read this to the official, Tinker? I wonder how many holders of the blue passport bothered to read it. Have not got my red one at hand right now to see whether it is there.
But I have been fascinated by this sentence ever since I got my first British passport after swearing eternal allegiance to the Sovereign over a cup of tea in the Sovereign’s justice’s of the peace kitchen when at last she had finished washing the kitchen floor. That was in Manchester in the early sixties. What a phantastic country to marry into!
Miles off thread, I am sorry!
Read to the unsmiling official leaning out of the window of his little hut at Coquelles in the interminable queue for Eurotunnel. And yes the same request still features on the first page of a red passport as it did in the blue.Did you actually read this to the official, Tinker? I wonder how many holders of the blue passport bothered to read it. Have not got my red one at hand right now to see whether it is there.
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