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Why are masks with valves prohibited?Galicia
Galicia was one of the first regions to implement the mandatory use of rules in all of public spaces. Masks with valves are prohibited and not wearing a mask can cost you up to €100.
To my mind walking through a small village on the Camino IS A PUBLIC AREA. Please pilgrims show respect for the people who live here and protect them by wearing a mask.
Masks with valves are prohibited in many places because they allow exhaled air and droplets to escape through the valve.Why are masks with valves prohibited?
Thanks for this and this should be given or others like this to be read by every person who does not wear a mask in public and especially those who have outrage about how "their rights of free speech or expression" are being trampled on. This is not political this is health and safetyt. Not just our personal health and safety but everyone.A little more about Vilacha. There are 30 people here. As you enter Vilacha, a walled garden on the right, has a tap, which brings drinking water from a natural spring into Vilacha. We all take our drinking water from there. It is on the Camino so we pass pilgrims, going to collect our drinking water. Our homes have wells and we use this water for everything else. Also on the left side of the Camino is a metal gate. This is the entrance to the chicken yard of my elderly neighbours (both over 80), who tend to the chickens several times a day - taking them food, collecting eggs, letting them out to forage, and locking them up at night. A little further along is the home of my nearest neighbour. For 8 months she has had chemotherapy and radiotherapy for advanced breast cancer. She is immuno suppressed. Juan, approaching 80, takes the cows out to graze along the Camino each day. I am telling you these things to try to get pilgrims to understand on a more personal level, why they should put on masks when they enter our village. It is a sign of respect to care enough to want to protect us. In a sense you are invading our private world, by walking through our village. To you though, it is public space, and the law says that masks are compulsory in all public spaces - outdoors and indoors.
I hope by reading this, some pilgrims change their attitude and behaviour, in order to protect the local people who just lead a simple life, but for whom the Corona virus has made life complicated. Thank you for reading this.
I understand your pain. I am sorry that many pilgrims do not understand. To many English speaking pilgrims think that they are above the local law. I live in Portugal, I have experienced so many Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans, etc, màny who live here, actually ignoring the law. Why do English speaking pilgrims think that they can walk any caminho this year. Stay home. Stay safe and protect SpainA little more about Vilacha. There are 30 people here. As you enter Vilacha, a walled garden on the right, has a tap, which brings drinking water from a natural spring into Vilacha. We all take our drinking water from there. It is on the Camino so we pass pilgrims, going to collect our drinking water. Our homes have wells and we use this water for everything else. Also on the left side of the Camino is a metal gate. This is the entrance to the chicken yard of my elderly neighbours (both over 80), who tend to the chickens several times a day - taking them food, collecting eggs, letting them out to forage, and locking them up at night. A little further along is the home of my nearest neighbour. For 8 months she has had chemotherapy and radiotherapy for advanced breast cancer. She is immuno suppressed. Juan, approaching 80, takes the cows out to graze along the Camino each day. I am telling you these things to try to get pilgrims to understand on a more personal level, why they should put on masks when they enter our village. It is a sign of respect to care enough to want to protect us. In a sense you are invading our private world, by walking through our village. To you though, it is public space, and the law says that masks are compulsory in all public spaces - outdoors and indoors.
I hope by reading this, some pilgrims change their attitude and behaviour, in order to protect the local people who just lead a simple life, but for whom the Corona virus has made life complicated. Thank you for reading this.
I understand your pain. I am sorry that many pilgrims do not understand. To many English speaking pilgrims think that they are above the local law. I live in Portugal, I have experienced so many Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans, etc, màny who live here, actually ignoring the law. Why do English speaking pilgrims think that they can walk any caminho this year. Stay home. Stay safe and protect Spain
To you though, it is public space, and the law says that masks are compulsory in all public spaces - outdoors and indoors.
I hope by reading this, some pilgrims change their attitude and behaviour, in order to protect the local people who just lead a simple life, but for whom the Corona virus has made life complicated. Thank you for reading this.
These posts are heartbreaking to read.To many English speaking pilgrims think that they are above the local law. I live in Portugal, I have experienced so many Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans, etc, màny who live here, actually ignoring the law. Why do English speaking pilgrims think that they can walk any caminho this year. Stay home. Stay safe and protect Spain
I want to sit outside in my private space, that borders the Camino and feel safe. It is too hot to be upstairs. Please pilgrims let me be safe in my own homeI have put 2 signs as you enter Vilachá to ask pilgrims to wear masks - to protect us. It is an experiment. I can observe pilgrims from my kitchen window. Unfortunately, the majority of pilgrims have failed to display their care for others, and worn masks as they pass through OUR VILLAGE. I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT MY EXPERIMENT HAS FAILED. Unfortunately, the majority of pilgrims only care for themselves and are not interested in protecting others. It was worth a try
Sorry at 69 I have decided I have no wish to join the Instagram age@casa susana, what you've described is also a pandemic - in this case a behavioural one. It's infuriating even at a distance, and I can only imagine how it feels close up.
I hope you are also posting exactly what you just wrote in the FB camino pages so it gets a wider audience. A photo of your sign on instagram wouldn't hurt either.
Fair enough. Neither do I.Sorry at 69 I have decided I have no wish to join the Instagram age
Fair enough. Neither do I.
All blessings to you and everyone else in Vilachá.
Fair enough. Neither do I.
But I hope there are social-media savvy people here who can amplify the message in your sign.
All blessings to you and everyone else in Vilachá.
Fair enough. Neither do I.
But I hope there are social-media savvy people here who can amplify the message in your sign.
All blessings to you and everyone else in Vilachá.
Oh, and it's worth reading this:
Your Buff or bandanna are not going to do any good as face masks and may actually be worse than nothing.
What is FB Camino pages?Oh, and it's worth reading this:
Your Buff or bandanna are not going to do any good as face masks and may actually be worse than nothing.
There are many Camino groups on Facebook.What is FB Camino pages?
Ah ok. Thank you.It is Vilachá as Cortes 3 kilometres from Portomarin. There are many Vilacha's - it means a village
May I post this on the Camino Facebook groups that I belong to?A little more about Vilacha. There are 30 people here. As you enter Vilacha, a walled garden on the right, has a tap, which brings drinking water from a natural spring into Vilacha. We all take our drinking water from there. It is on the Camino so we pass pilgrims, going to collect our drinking water. Our homes have wells and we use this water for everything else. Also on the left side of the Camino is a metal gate. This is the entrance to the chicken yard of my elderly neighbours (both over 80), who tend to the chickens several times a day - taking them food, collecting eggs, letting them out to forage, and locking them up at night. A little further along is the home of my nearest neighbour. For 8 months she has had chemotherapy and radiotherapy for advanced breast cancer. She is immuno suppressed. Juan, approaching 80, takes the cows out to graze along the Camino each day. I am telling you these things to try to get pilgrims to understand on a more personal level, why they should put on masks when they enter our village. It is a sign of respect to care enough to want to protect us. In a sense you are invading our private world, by walking through our village. To you though, it is public space, and the law says that masks are compulsory in all public spaces - outdoors and indoors.
I hope by reading this, some pilgrims change their attitude and behaviour, in order to protect the local people who just lead a simple life, but for whom the Corona virus has made life complicated. Thank you for reading this.
You have my permission to circulate my message as widely as possible. ThanksHello @casa susana I am also not on Facebook but I'm sure many on the forum are and are connected to camino groups. I think your post "A little more about Vilacha" should be widely posted on on all sites. It is an important call for empathy, respect and common sense during this continuing global pandemic.
With your permission, I could certainly forward your message to the Canadian Company of Pilgrims with a request to post it on their website as a very clear and poignant picture of the impact of such disregard for the lives of people who host and care for pilgrims traveling through their communities.
Yes please. Thank you for your help in spreading the messageMay I post this on the Camino Facebook groups that I belong to?
Galicia
Galicia was one of the first regions to implement the mandatory use of rules in all of public spaces. Masks with valves are prohibited and not wearing a mask can cost you up to €100.
To my mind walking through a small village on the Camino IS A PUBLIC AREA. Please pilgrims show respect for the people who live here and protect them by wearing a mask.
A little more about Vilacha. There are 30 people here. As you enter Vilacha, a walled garden on the right, has a tap, which brings drinking water from a natural spring into Vilacha. We all take our drinking water from there. It is on the Camino so we pass pilgrims, going to collect our drinking water. Our homes have wells and we use this water for everything else. Also on the left side of the Camino is a metal gate. This is the entrance to the chicken yard of my elderly neighbours (both over 80), who tend to the chickens several times a day - taking them food, collecting eggs, letting them out to forage, and locking them up at night. A little further along is the home of my nearest neighbour. For 8 months she has had chemotherapy and radiotherapy for advanced breast cancer. She is immuno suppressed. Juan, approaching 80, takes the cows out to graze along the Camino each day. I am telling you these things to try to get pilgrims to understand on a more personal level, why they should put on masks when they enter our village. It is a sign of respect to care enough to want to protect us. In a sense you are invading our private world, by walking through our village. To you though, it is public space, and the law says that masks are compulsory in all public spaces - outdoors and indoors.
I hope by reading this, some pilgrims change their attitude and behaviour, in order to protect the local people who just lead a simple life, but for whom the Corona virus has made life complicated. Thank you for reading this.
I've spread the message with the Camigas group, the Camino del Norte Group for Women, and my post is pending on the Camino de Santiago All Routes groupYes please. Thank you for your help in spreading the message
Any pilgrim who makes any local person uncomfortable is one too many, but the emphasis you make on this subject to English speaking pilgrims does not seem fair to me. In july, about 80% of the pilgrims were Spanish, much more then usual.I understand your pain. I am sorry that many pilgrims do not understand. To many English speaking pilgrims think that they are above the local law. I live in Portugal, I have experienced so many Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans, etc, màny who live here, actually ignoring the law. Why do English speaking pilgrims think that they can walk any caminho this year. Stay home. Stay safe and protect Spain
Yes, 80% of the total number of pilgrims in July 2020 who got registered by the Pilgrims Office in Santiago were Spanish; a further 12% were German, Italian, Portuguese, French and Polish nationals - so a grand total of at least 92% were not "Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans" from the expat community in Portugal that another poster had singled out as flouting local laws.In july, about 80% of the pilgrims were Spanish, much more then usual.
Right, as @LTfit said in this postAny pilgrim who makes any local person uncomfortable is one too many, but the emphasis you make on this subject to English speaking pilgrims does not seem fair to me. In july, about 80% of the pilgrims were Spanish, much more then usual.
the hospitalera of the municipal in Hontanas had an awful experience with a Spanish pilgrim in the albergue who was very rude, refusing to wear a mask when entering the albergue.
Yes, 80% of the total number of pilgrims in July 2020 who got registered by the Pilgrims Office in Santiago were Spanish; a further 12% were German, Italian, Portuguese, French and Polish nationals - so a grand total of at least 92% were not "Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans" from the expat community in Portugal that another poster had singled out as flouting local laws.
We can be as indignant as we want about the behaviour of current camino walkers as it is reported and forwarded in English-speaking online forums but I doubt that it reaches any of the intended target groups.
IMPORTANT NEWS: There are 6 cases of the Corona virus on the Camino in a very small village, Fonfria, in the Pedrafita area. If you have passed through there in the last few days you may either be a contact, or a symptom free spreader.Yes I am sorry to say on my observations that it is not only English speaking pilgrims ignoring the law about the compulsory use of masks, it is Spaniards as well
IMPORTANT NEWS: There are 6 cases of the Corona virus on the Camino in a very small village, Fonfria, in the Pedrafita area. If you have passed through there in the last few days you may either be a contact, or a symptom free spreader.
Here in Vilachå, 2-3 days walking away, I am having problems with pilgrims entering my private downstairs area, despite signs saying it is a private house, and no entry. When I asked pilgrims to leave, I pilgrim, not even wearing a mask, argued with me, but it is raining. My response was: I DON'T GIVE A F*"*" In these Corona times pilgrims must give up their sense of entitlement, or sense of privilege, because they are doing a pilgrimage, and start thinking of others. I AM VULNERABLE, I AM SHIELDING DO NOT ENTER MY SPACE. As you can see by the shouty capitals, I am upset, and angry. Pilgrims will now not feel welcomed, as Virus cases on the Camino develop.
Yes there is news today in La Voz de Galicia. There are 6 people infected in Fonfria so far and 35 more waiting at home for analysis.IMPORTANT NEWS: There are 6 cases of the Corona virus on the Camino in a very small village, Fonfria, in the Pedrafita area. If you have passed through there in the last few days you may either be a contact, or a symptom free spreader.
Here in Vilachå, 2-3 days walking away, I am having problems with pilgrims entering my private downstairs area, despite signs saying it is a private house, and no entry. When I asked pilgrims to leave, I pilgrim, not even wearing a mask, argued with me, but it is raining. My response was: I DON'T GIVE A F*"*" In these Corona times pilgrims must give up their sense of entitlement, or sense of privilege, because they are doing a pilgrimage, and start thinking of others. I AM VULNERABLE, I AM SHIELDING DO NOT ENTER MY SPACE. As you can see by the shouty capitals, I am upset, and angry. Pilgrims will now not feel welcomed, as Virus cases on the Camino develop.
Yes there is news today in La Voz de Galicia. There are 6 people infected in Fonfria so far and 35 more waiting at home for analysis.
The mayor of Pedrafita do Cebreiro, which is the Fonfria municipality, complains that there are a lot of pilgrims these days many of them without mask.
This is so very disrespectful. How can things improve if even the simplest of precautions are not taken. I think laziness and inconvenience could be a big factor. Their insolence is deplorable.there are a lot of pilgrims these days many of them without mask.
The problem is that the pilgrim who brought the virus to the little village of Fonfria has long gone. It took 2 weeks for the locals to start becoming ill. How many others has that person infected along the way. I hope who ever it is is asymptomatic, and so is unknowingly passing the virus on, and not ignoring symptoms, so they don't have the inconvenience of having to quarantine. That would be terrible, if it is true.This is so very disrespectful. How can things improve if even the simplest of precautions are not taken. I think laziness and inconvenience could be a big factor. Their insolence is deplorable.
Yes there is news today in La Voz de Galicia. There are 6 people infected in Fonfria so far and 35 more waiting at home for analysis.
The mayor of Pedrafita do Cebreiro, which is the Fonfria municipality, complains that there are a lot of pilgrims these days many of them without mask.
It seems that some people only respond to external controls
Spaniards hold anti-mask protest in Madrid
Good thing is those people usually don't walk the Camino...
The article also mentions what the inhabitants of Fonfria say about pilgrims: that most of the pilgrims wear face masks all the time. And that bicycle pilgrims take their masks off only when they are pedalling.The article also says it could be a Catalan family who brought the virus. Could. On returning home to Barcelona they tested positive and informed everyone of their whereabouts.
The article is here and it includes a news video by Galician TV that jogged my memory of what Fonfria looks like. I remember mainly the church. The news video has a number of interviews with inhabitants of Fonfria and it also shows a young man apparently leaving his home to go and get the cows and he isn't wearing a face mask and he is clearly inside the small village. I think one of the most (mentally) unhealthy things one can do at the moment is looking at photos and videos from thousands of miles away and scan faces for whether they are wearing face masks or not ...another news article about Fonfria
Yes the article says that according to Fonfria neighbours the pilgrims wear masks but on a previous article of La Voz the mayor of Pedrafita said the contrary.The article also mentions what the inhabitants of Fonfria say about pilgrims: that most of the pilgrims wear face masks all the time. And that bicycle pilgrims take their masks off only when they are pedalling.
Beware Google Translate, btw. I put another news article about Fonfria through it and the first sentence came up as: Jorge is one of the 27 residents of Fonfría who said no to the bullshit they did to them yesterday. The other six tested positive.
When I look at the original sentence, and without knowing Galician, I guess it actually means that Jorge did no such thing and that he tested negative. It says: Jorge é un dos 27 veciños de Fonfría que deu negativo ás porbas que lles fixeron onte. Os outros seis deron positivo.
The video tells the current situation of Fonfria with people with infection in 4 houses (total 10).The article is here and it includes a news video by Galician TV that jogged my memory of what Fonfria looks like. I remember mainly the church. The news video has a number of interviews with inhabitants of Fonfria and it also shows a young man apparently leaving his home to go and get the cows and he isn't wearing a face mask and he is clearly inside the small village. I think one of the most unhealthy things one can do at the moment is looking at photos and videos from thousands of miles away and scan faces for whether they are wearing face masks or not ...
When I look at the original sentence, and without knowing Galician, I guess it actually means that Jorge did no such thing and that he tested negative. It says: Jorge é un dos 27 veciños de Fonfría que deu negativo ás porbas que lles fixeron onte. Os outros seis deron positivo.
Yes, it makes sense with "probas"! I was quite puzzled by this. I was ready to believe that there were outspoken anti-whatever people even in a tiny village far away ... I mean with all the stuff one reads onlineI don't know if the translation would be ok with "probas".
And so say all of us.I wish I had some answers to unanswered “why” questions
pilgrims entering my private downstairs area, despite signs saying it is a private house, and no entry
Or perhaps this one:Did you try to scare them, Susana? In the time of pandemic, a couple of skull and bones signs around the village would do much better job than the "private area" sign...
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A tip: warn your neighbors before you put those signs up, so they don't get a heart attack when they see them...
I'm not holding my breath, but that would be wonderful.But indeed, the selfish Camino of the past (this is MY Camino!) may gradually become a matter of the past.
It is a part of my frustration, the local police, Guardia Civil, are sitting safe in their offices, and ignoring the problem of non mask wearers in Portomarin, let alone venturing out to Vilacha. In other years, they can be seen on the streets, and come up the Camino several times a day. Now I never see them.This must be a nightmare. It seems that some people only respond to external controls. @casa susana what would be the reaction of the local police if you reported the non-mask wearers? And are they patrolling and looking for violations?
Unfortunately, my list of grievances continues. My downstairs area is roped off, as I am shielding. The other afternoon I was laying on my bed reading, when I heard voices downstairs. I looked down to see about 10 pilgrims in my private area under my house, many without masks. I challenged them that it is a private home and they must go. This was in Spanish. A young man in his twenties, replied but it is raining, also in Spanish. My reply was in very angry, loud English: - I don't know how to swear in Spanish - I DON'T GIVE A F*** GO NOW. THERE IS A BAR IN 50 METRES, GO THERE. They got the message. The sense of entitlement of pilgrims is not diminishing, I'm afraid. But more sadly, I beat myself up afterwards, for my lack of care and compassion for pilgrims, (when I am just trying to care for my own health), as it goes against my true nature of helping others. I have kept a donativo table and provided a place for pilgrims to rest for 6 years, but for now Casa Susana is definitely closed.I'm not holding my breath, but that would be wonderful.
In other years, they can be seen on the streets, and come up the Camino several times a day. Now I never see them.
Please give yourself a break, @casa susana. These are called boundaries, and sometimes you have to establish them firmly. People who ignore signs, or who invade private property and feel entitled to do so 'just because' obviously need to have a reality check. And you gave them one that was unequivocal. Well done.The sense of entitlement of pilgrims is not diminishing, I'm afraid. But more sadly, I beat myself up afterwards, for my lack of care and compassion for pilgrims,
I agree with the message of this thread. To personalize it, as I have said previously small villages have a lot of old people, including me, we have not been vaccinated yet. Pilgrims see me outside my home tending to my pot plants, and when I ask them to put on a mask, they challenge me, why not you? When I say it is my home (private), but public for you, they do not understand. It is a grey area. Where does our private space end and the Camino (which virtually passes my door), become public?Galicia
Galicia was one of the first regions to implement the mandatory use of rules in all of public spaces. Masks with valves are prohibited and not wearing a mask can cost you up to €100.
To my mind walking through a small village on the Camino IS A PUBLIC AREA. Please pilgrims show respect for the people who live here and protect them by wearing a mask.
I feel your painI agree with the message of this thread. To personalize it, as I have said previously small villages have a lot of old people, including me, we have not been vaccinated yet. Pilgrims see me outside my home tending to my pot plants, and when I ask them to put on a mask, they challenge me, why not you? When I say it is my home (private), but public for you, they do not understand. It is a grey area. Where does our private space end and the Camino (which virtually passes my door), become public?
While there have been no pilgrims, we in Vilachá practiced social distancing, stopped entering each others homes, and only wore masks with visiting vendors and tradesmen. Although Paradela, our council area, had 14 Covid cases, and we were in perimeter lockdown for 3 weeks, we have had no cases here in Vilachá. So with the incredible influx of pilgrims this week for Easter, please keep us safe. I ask you as a sign of respect, as you enter our space, our village, wear a mask.
Perhaps the new legislation will clarify this ?When I say it is my home (private), but public for you, they do not understand. It is a grey area. Where does our private space end and the Camino (which virtually passes my door), become public?
I wonder what it would feel like wearing a mask all night while sleeping...it may take some getting used to as it sounds rather uncomfortable.in the pueblos (and in the albergues ?), required.
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