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- First one in 2005 from Moissac, France.
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@Bradypus, are you suggesting that we should carry sample containers and carry them on the outside of our packs in the sun for a few days just to see if we have this condition? That would be interesting.There is such a thing as purple urine. Fortunately not common!
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@Bradypus, are you suggesting that we should carry sample containers and carry them on the outside of our packs in the sun for a few days just to see if we have this condition? That would be interesting.
Hi - remember the summer? Constant up in the forties? I have been looking for a hydration chart for a while now - so much easier than trying to explain to the dehydrated pilgrims I meet
The only thing missing is when you find you are not passing water and then that you are not sweating - let the alarm bells ring!
Also, funnily enough, water is not sufficient to rehydrate as too much will leach out the electrolytes in the body, leading to weakness, dizziness, and sometimes nausea .. the 'sports' drinks are useless, mainly because they are full of sugar, which will spike your sugar levels for twenty minutes and then leave you lower than you were before you started drinking it (same spike effect with chocolate) .. better to add salt to your food and to use rehydrating sachets such as Dioralyite.
Anyway - here the urine colour chart (anyone getting purple please do let us know!!)
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Hi - remember the summer?
better to add salt to your food and to use rehydrating sachets such as Dioralyite.
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I found that most food on the Camino was unsalted, even McDonalds' french fries! I would have to ask for salt for my eggs - and it often came straight from the kitchen.
... on the Frances (save for a couple of sections) you would have to work really hard to get dangerously dehydrated even during the hot months. There are so many places to fill/refill your water containers/bladders.
Were those cases of dehydration due to shortages of places to hydrate, or due to the pilgrim's poor judgment in not hydrating enough? Also, it is easy enough to have a healthy mineral intake on the CF as well. No problem getting fruit such as bananas which provide potassium, or various brands of power bars which also provide that and some measure of sodium. That can also be found in a bottle of one of the energy/fitness drinks, but those should not be a sole source of hydration. A simple bag of salted nuts can replenish sodium as well as provide some measure of protein. The CF is far from being a walk through squalor devoid of retail establishments to get stuff you need.As a hospitalera that has given countless times first aid to dehydrated pilgrims on the CF I completely disagree.
Buen Camino, SY
PS Remember people, it is not only about the water intake, it is about the water AND salt/minerals balance ...
The hydration recommendation for Kilimanjaro is based on trekking at altitude where urine output also increases as the body acclimatises:Hola @David, as usual a great post on an important topic. If my Kilimanjaro memory is working we were told we had to drink at least 4 litres per day and pee at least 2 litres (the rest goes out in sweat). I think the other comment is - drink before, you feel thirsty, not when your mouth is dry.
I am aware of the differences - my point was to remind walkers to drink, before they were thirsty/dry. I usually add hydration tablets to my water bottle 2 or 3 times per week to ensure the sodium levels are kept in check. I do agree with you comments in bold about checking the colour (and amount) of your urine discharge. Discussions like this are important - regardless of sensitivities - to ensure our pilgrims are as healthy as possible. CheersToo much water is harmful and can dilute your body's sodium level (hyponatremia) causing weakness, confusion, seizures, and coma. A good rule of thumb to assess for hydration is to check your urine. Clear urine indicates adequate hydration, dark urine suggest dehydration and the need to drink more water.
Institue for Altitude Medicine
Unfortunately, I think for many people who are not regular walkers, this just looks like so much gobbledygook. Its like giving directions to a friend's house, and suggesting that it is halfway down a street. This is a location that is impossible to know until one has driven down the whole street and then returned to the halfway point. Unlike street directions, it is not possible to return to an un-thirsty state once it has been passed.my point was to remind walkers to drink, before they were thirsty/dry.
@Saint Mike II while we have both trekked at altitude and are well aware of the differences in hydration requirements, first time walkers on the Forum may not be and that was my main point. Reminding people to drink before they are thirsty is good advice as is the occasional use of hydration tablets. People also don't often think to drink a glass of water before they set off.I am aware of the differences - my point was to remind walkers to drink, before they were thirsty/dry. I usually add hydration tablets to my water bottle 2 or 3 times per week to ensure the sodium levels are kept in check. I do agree with you comments in bold about checking the colour (and amount) of your urine discharge. Discussions like this are important - regardless of sensitivities - to ensure our pilgrims are as healthy as possible. Cheers
Alcohol and strong coffee also contribute to de-hydration
I have been using a 2li bladder and carrying a ~500ml bottle in reserve. Should the bladder run out, then I still have the bottle to decant into the bladder, and I then know that I need to refill at the next opportunity. This pattern avoids the uncertainty around how much water I have left. Up to the point where I use the bottle, I always know that I have at least 500ml available.On the CF last year, I had a 2 lt. Camelbak and ended up sucking it dry a couple of times. Next year on the VDLP I'm bringing a 3 lt.
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