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I highly appreciate your guiding. As a matter of fact I was about to PM you but decided to check first if you had answered me here, and indeed you had! I feel very confident that I can make this: I want to go to Covarubbias by bus from Burgos: I want to stay there a couple of days due to the Norw. link, and then walk back to Burgos, and then continue my "ordinary" CF (When is a Camino ordinary!)This all sounds like a good plan and "outside the box" thankfully.
BTW: I will not be using GPS or other technical devices. Believe it or not, but by education I hold an engineering degree in computer science, back from 1974, and I hate the stuff: Completely outdated, and happy with it! On later years I received a skipper grade, and am happy to navigate by the Sun, Moon, Stars and decent paper maps...
Thanks again, dear: Most helpful!
Edit: Most helpful by you to point out stops and phone nos.! I feel much more confident after getting your help and assistance! A BIG thank you!
When we went to the tourist office in Covarrubias, the woman working there knew nothing about the Camino San Olav, and she told us she thought there was something online that would help. So don't expect too much help from the locals! Buen camino, LaurieThank you so much, dear; yes, I most certainly want to be off-road, so I'll follow your advice, thank you ever so much. I intend to take a bus to Covarubbias, stay there for the weeken (talk to locals, get in-depth info on the story of Kristina) and then have a relaxed walk back to Burgos. I was just fearing that walking backwards wouuld get me into troubla, but as I understand, it, it won't be a problem. Or?
BTW: I am so happy to get some help here! You will most certainly get feedback from me on this adventure!
There are a number of possibilities, combining the Lana and the St Olav--one different option is walking out from Burgos one way (mostly on the St Olav) and back another (On the GR82 and Lana) to make a 6-day loop. (See my post on your other thread about possible etapas...)Where are the most convenient stopping points?
Being only 60 kms or so to Burgos, it is only 3 days of walking: Most convenient etappas? I can walk slow and short: Plenty of time.
I organized them ahead of time online and with Laurie's amazing assistance.I suppose there are not many albergues on this Camino; How do I find beds?
I have a link to my gps tracks in my long post on the route, and I think maybe you can get those onto your phone somehow
Yes, road walking on day 2, and 'lost' on day 1.Viranani walked without one, but she wound up on the road a lot instead of on the path.
Yes, I get the point. So be it.Just throwing my two pilgrim cents in here: Unless you have been already to Santo Domingo de Silos, and know it well, I would start there. In the end, what is one day more on the Camino
Buen Camino, SY
Just throwing my two pilgrim cents in here: Unless you have been already to Santo Domingo de Silos, and know it well, I would start there. In the end, what is one day more on the Camino
Buen Camino, SY
Yes, I have all the time I need. I have started to contemplate simply walking out of Burgos(it seems to be the right direction; Covarrubias being the ending point of this short Camino, similar to SdC being the ending point of CF) and south, arriving in Covarrubias, then on to SDdS based on (all of you) your recommendations, and simply walk back to Burgos. Due to the Norw. connection, I would like to spend some time in Covarrubias. It could also be an interesting interaction with the locals, since I'm Norw.
Anyhow, since I have all the time; no stress, What does a day or two-three more matter? Nothing. It is all about living in the now and not be stressing according to a "plan".
FYI, and as a teaser: I have just enjoyed a solid caserole meal of bacalao, done with Norw. cod, but according to a Spanish recipe: Really stuffed now..Nice and hot with chili!The blank stuff is Aquavit (Water of life; Norw. herb liqueur) to melt down the food. I have the faith that it works that way, and I don't take any chances, so I drink the stuff
That sounds like a good plan!Anyhow, since I have all the time; no stress, What does a day or two-three more matter? Nothing. It is all about living in the now and not be stressing according to a "plan".
Thanks: It just proves the old saying: "The best plan is to not have a plan" meaning that you can adapt to changes and adjust accordingly.That sounds like a good plan!
Yes, I think I simply start out of Burgos and do a roundtrip. If I end up in Covarrubias twice, I don't care: On the contrary. What's another day? Do not care. My walk ends when it walks, and SdC is always there for me.This is a GREAT idea, make it a circle! You'll have to let us know if walking in the "right direction" on the San Olav is better than our "backwards" walk! You can walk back to Burgos from Santo Domingo de Silos on the Ruta de la Lana, one day to Mecerreyes (24 km), and then Burgos (33). Only thing is, the Ruta de la Lana, from Santo Domingo to Burgos, will take you back to Covarrubias and then on to Mecerreyes.
http://www.mundicamino.com/los-caminos/45/ruta-de-la-lana-ii/
Hi, Alex, Although I spend two weeks in Portugal every year, bacalao is not high on my list of favorite foods. Sorry, hope that's not an insult.Yes, I think I simply start out of Burgos and do a roundtrip. If I end up in Covarrubios twice, I don't care: On the contrary. What's another day? Do not care. My walk ends when it walks, and SdC is always there for me.
But: I need a credential for the San Olav: the website http://www.caminodesanolav.es/no/contenido/?idsec=561 has a picture of the credential: Do anyone know where it can be obtained?
I will take a good deal pictures to document the Way. Maybe we can cooperate in setting up a guide if there is none existing...
BTW: Did you "like" my bacalao?
I suspect I will get one in Burgos. But anyhow, this year, I will carry a Bible (it is a special edition; not for my religousness; I am more of a spiritual nature; it is for leisure reading, because so much in it is essential thruths of life), and I will use its blank start & end pages for overflow stamps. So will use it to collect San Olav stamps on a single pageHi, Alex, Although I spend two weeks in Portugal every year, bacalao is not high on my list of favorite foods. Sorry, hope that's not an insult.It does raise the eyebrows of some of my Portuguese friends, though.
I don't know about the credential. I just used the credential I had been using since I started at the mouth of the Ebro, and Rebekah didn't even have one. Since you are continuing on the camino, I would just use the one you plan to use then, unless you fancy getting a special credential for those days. I can tell you it's unlikely you'll get it in the tourist office in Covarrubias, but maybe there is somewhere in Burgos where you can get it, but I'm stumped. Buen camino, Laurie
But of course not. But, how uncivilized of you, they must think.Hi, Alex, Although I spend two weeks in Portugal every year, bacalao is not high on my list of favorite foods. Sorry, hope that's not an insult.It does raise the eyebrows of some of my Portuguese friends, though.
@C clearly, you must know this: I'm a total scardey-cat. This little romp as my compromise--wanting to go off the beaten track, but not having the courage to do that for several weeks!Do you guys realize how impressive but intimidating your descriptions are?!You claim to be techno-phobes, but I don't believe it for a minute. I am not sure whether I am longing to get out on the untrammeled routes (albeit with my beloved smartphone), or whether I prefer the security of the toilet paper trail!
Yes!Anyhow, since I have all the time; no stress, What does a day or two-three more matter? Nothing. It is all about living in the now and not be stressing according to a "plan".
Here's what I posted yesterday on Alex's other thread:This is a GREAT idea, make it a circle! You'll have to let us know if walking in the "right direction" on the San Olav is better than our "backwards" walk! You can walk back to Burgos from Santo Domingo de Silos on the Ruta de la Lana, one day to Mecerreyes (24 km), and then Burgos (33). Only thing is, the Ruta de la Lana, from Santo Domingo to Burgos, will take you back to Covarrubias and then on to Mecerreyes.
For best effect, the GR82 leg should be done in the morning the northerly direction (from SDdS to Covarrubias)-the vistas are gorgeous at that time of day--and the direction makes for an easier climb, gradual and steady.And to plant further seeds of inspiration, since you have the luxury of no fixed date of return, here's what I'm thinking for next time I'm able to walk in this area (an out-and-back figure-eight starting in Burgos and more or less centred on Covarrubias):
Day 1 Burgos to Modubar San Cibrian
Day 2 Modubar San Cibrian to Mambrillas
Day 3 Mambrillas to Covarrubias (Days 1, 2, & 3 0n the St. Olav)
Day 4 Covarrubias to Santo Domingo de Silos (on the Ruta de Lana),
Day 5 Santo Domingo de Silos to Mecerreyes (on the GR82 to Covarrubias then the Ruta de Lana)
Day 6 Mecerreyes to Burgos (on the Ruta de Lana)
It has the benefit of walking the St Olav in the intended direction, which may make the navigation marginally easier.
Haha! As you posted, I was starting to compose a PM to say that I didn't mean a criticism in my comment.@C clearly, you must know this: I'm a total scardey-cat. This little romp as my compromise--wanting to go off the beaten track, but not having the courage to do that for several weeks!
(And I'm pretty tech-competant, but vastly prefer an old-fashioned paper map because I have to think, rather than giving that function over to a device.)
I took it that as you meant, Claire--it made me chuckle, in fact. But...normal...I am?Haha! As you posted, I was starting to compose a PM to say that I didn't mean a criticism in my comment.Rather, I was thinking that I would have been more intimidated by the thread if I hadn't met you and realized that you were a normal person! (Other readers might wonder .)
At least on the scaredy-cat scale.Alex, yes. Grand idea.
But...normal...I am?
They're few and far between--this is near the Frances but a different universe! So that's the reason to book pensions etc ahead of time.I can find hostals & cafes & bars along this way?
At least on the scaredy-cat scale.
@peregrina2000 , @Viranani , @alexwalker - For some reason, I cannot resist reading these threads describing your Camino adventures. Do you guys realize how impressive but intimidating your descriptions are?!You claim to be techno-phobes, but I don't believe it for a minute. I am not sure whether I am longing to get out on the untrammeled routes (albeit with my beloved smartphone), or whether I prefer the security of the toilet paper trail!
That is something I can reasonably aspire to!I... have become kind of a nut case
Now you're both making me chuckle...
Frankly I think we've all gone a bit off the deep end, in the best possible way.
And Laurie, I want to publicly thank you once again for your incredible help in before my St Olav journey--as in your case it was a 'baby step'. I had wanted to do the Invierno but was too scared to do that first, all by myself--and so I was very glad this came up as an option. It was just right as a way to test the water of walking solo on a remote Camino. I'm not afraid of being alone...but alone without language skills is what spooked me, and still does a little. But now I'm sure it's possible.
(BTW...thinking of spring also--March or May, depending on my schedule. Bookmarking threads all over the place.)
Truthfully, probably not. I am a bit shy as well as being a chicken.Would you feel comfortable doing that, Viranani?
! The rewards are great and the freedom and self-confidence you get will propel you!
Yes, my one month of Spanish intensive school at www.enforex.com in Alicante in April (plus numerous Caminos) has paid off very nicely! Highly recommended! I am able to ask for directions, understanding way and turn instructions, y mucho mas (and much more)! I am now only worrying about finding the right way out of Burgos: After that, I shall be well off. However, the help you all have already posted should get me right on. And as a skipper I know I should head straight south where the sun is at noon.Alex, you'll have it a bit easier since you have more Spanish!
We asked for a credential in the Burgos cathedral, but it seemed to me that the people there didn't recognize this little Camino. We got the credential in the tourist office.Yes, I think I simply start out of Burgos and do a roundtrip. If I end up in Covarrubios twice, I don't care: On the contrary. What's another day? Do not care. My walk ends when it walks, and SdC is always there for me.
But: I need a credential for the San Olav: the website http://www.caminodesanolav.es/no/contenido/?idsec=561 has a picture of the credential: Do anyone know where it can be obtained?
I will take a good deal pictures to document the Way. Maybe we can cooperate in setting up a guide if there is none existing...
BTW: Did you "like" my bacalao?
MOST HELPFUL!!!! I owe you a beer, or whatever makes you happy, sing and dance!We asked for a credential in the Burgos cathedral, but it seemed to me that the people there didn't recognize this little Camino. We got the credential in the tourist office.
See you in Santiago in September then! Norwegians tend to stick together..MOST HELPFUL!!!! I owe you a beer, or whatever makes you happy, sing and dance!
How well put! And when alone, new avenues open: As in life; when you close one door, two new doors open for you.This is how we go from being chickens to being eagles, I guess! Little by little learning to disbelieve those fearful voices. At the moment I'm contemplating my next adventure with a bit more confidence...going it solo is still a daunting idea, but I can just imagine a longer time alone. The bar is (slightly) higher.
Would love to! Where in Norway are you from? I am a Tromsø native. https://www.visittromso.no/en I will be in Burgos at Sept.01, then doing Olav, then back to Burgos and hammering towards SdC Would love to offer a cold drink for your tip!See you in Santiago in September then! Norwegians tend to stick together..
Actually, Laurie, that gives me my stages, in revere (correct) order, and vice versa on my walk back to Burgos. I am very thankful for you setting up phone numbers & all: From your (and the others) help, I am confident it is straight doable. I even know how to obtain a credential, thanks to Tulle!Hi, Alex,
The forum members I know who have walked this route (Alansykes, Viranani, Reb and I) have all walked "backwards." You will essentially be walking the same way we did, minus the stage from Santo Domingo de Silos to Covarrubias. When Reb and I walked, I had a GPS, and it was crucial in a few spots, at least for us. Viranani walked without one, but she wound up on the road a lot instead of on the path. The route is not heavily marked in either direction, but you will occasionally see some posts with the Cross of San Olav carved on top and painted red. I have a link to my gps tracks in my long post on the route, and I think maybe you can get those onto your phone somehow, if you are more technologically gifted than I am. Most of the way is off-road, but without the gps tracks you may just wind up on the road, as Vira did, at least from Quintanillas to Mondubar.
Here are the obvious three stages:
1. Covarrubias to Mambrillas de Lara. Here you have three options. Maybe Rincón de Alfoz will have a room for you. It's right in Mambrillas. Ana García Alonso, Tel. 645 90 00 30. If not, there are two places that will come pick you up and drop you off the next morning -- Taberna Moruga (in Hortigüela) Tel: 947 11 50 03 AND Pensión Julita (in Villaespasa). C/. San Jose, 10 Tel. 674 69 19 04 and 673 35 75 30.
2. Mambrillas de Lara to Mondúbar de San Cibrián. La Cerca de Doña Jimena is the only option, and it's a very nice casa rural. Tel. 637 85 35 66
3. Mondúbar to Burgos.
Vira and I have some detailed comments about the various alternatives, all around Mambrillas and Quintanillas, and I hope they will help clear up some questions you might have about the route. But if there is anything that is not clear from that thread, please let us know. It´s a very nice walk, I think you will like it, buen camino, Laurie
Can I put in a word for going to matins at Santo Domingo de Silos as well as vespers? The morning congregation (four of us, I think) was heavily outnumbered by the monks. When I was there it was dark as the service started and the light gathered as it went on, quite unforgettable. The monastery albergue is small but excellent - ask for Fray José-Alfredo, the friendly and helpful brother hospitaler.Actually, Laurie, that gives me my stages, in revere (correct) order, and vice versa on my walk back to Burgos. I am very thankful for you setting up phone numbers & all: From your (and the others) help, I am confident it is straight doable. I even know how to obtain a credential, thanks to Tulle!
I will take the walk south from Burgos: If I thread wrong I can talk to locals; No need to worry! I will however print out this whole thread and put it in my pack; then my walk should be safe.
If you have more info you feel that I need, please post it here: I have some work to do next week (skippering a boat with sports fishermen up here in the Arctic) and then only 36 hours at home before I take off for Spain...
Off topic, sort of, but am I the only one who finds her story incredibly touching?Even if my main target is seeing the Princess in Covarrubias!
I come from SunnmøreWould love to! Where in Norway are you from? I am a Tromsø native. https://www.visittromso.no/en I will be in Burgos at Sept.01, then doing Olav, then back to Burgos and hammering towards SdC Would love to offer a cold drink for your tip!
Thank you very much! Most helpful! Here is the deal: On Tuesday I fly further north in The Arctic Norway (close to North Cape Europe) for a 6-day assignment as skipper for a pack of sports fishing fanatics; http://havcruise.no/. BTW: It is not me you see in the pictures: It is my friend and his wife, who own and run the business. I am only a hired hand in emergencies. In the evenings I have my own cottage with wifihola amigo! I was in Covarrubias two months ago, guess what... for a Viking wedding! Marina, the girl in the tourist office in Covarrubias is a fan of all things Viking, she will be more than helpful, she speaks very good French, I believe, not sure about here English, though. The Shrine for Saint Olav is at walking distance from Covarrubias. If you have time, go to the "Piélago" bar/restaurant by the river, you can swimming in the river, and the pizzas are cooked in a proper stone oven with wood, it may look like a cheap burger gaff, but it is actually amazing.
I stayed in casa rural Castro
www.loscastroscovarrubias.es
the landlord, Ramiro, is really helpful and nice too. In fact, Covarrubias is a most welcoming stunningly beautiful town.
I am sorry I cannot help much about actual walking, but I do have great memories of Covarrubias.
The story of Princess Kristina is very special, sad, but special at the same time
Your info about the tourist office in Covarubbias is most helpful: I will give Marina a try. If it's going to be French, I need finger/sign language... Maybe she will appreciate the arrival of a Viking? My limited Spanish may do the trick...Marina, the girl in the tourist office in Covarrubias is a fan of all things Viking, she will be more than helpful, she speaks very good French, I believe, not sure about here English, though.
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