LDS (mormon) Branches along the way?

[Noel & Annie J]

My wife and I are future hikers and wonder if anyone has information on LDS branches that might be easily accessible for Sunday worship?

 

[Anniesantiago]

My wife and I are future hikers and wonder if anyone has information on LDS branches that might be easily accessible for Sunday worship?

I think you will have to check lds.org for this. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to attend Sacrament in Spain along the way.
I'm sure there are branches in the larger cities such as Burgos and Leon and possibly Astorga.
I do know there is a branch in Santiago, which I managed to find, but never could get anyone to answer the phone regarding meetings.
Good luck with that! I'd be curious to hear the results.
Annie

 

[Joodle]

My wife and I are future hikers and wonder if anyone has information on LDS branches that might be easily accessible for Sunday worship?

I am LDS also and I was wondering about this. Hopefully we can find somewhere to attend.

 

[Urban Trekker]

I think you will have to check lds.org for this. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to attend Sacrament in Spain along the way.
I'm sure there are branches in the larger cities such as Burgos and Leon and possibly Astorga.
I do know there is a branch in Santiago, which I managed to find, but never could get anyone to answer the phone regarding meetings.
Good luck with that! I'd be curious to hear the results.
Annie

Find out if there is a family history center too. If there is I can finally get my wife, she's LDS, to go while I walk the camino.

 

[Joodle]

I'm going to try and check with the Mission office in Spain about buildings and meeting time along the way. It might get kind of hard to be in the right place at the right time to make a Sacrament meeting. If I can find anything, I will get back to anyone interested

 

[Anniesantiago]

One thing I've been doing is photographing tombstones along the Camino in the cemeteries and uploading them so people can trace their families, maybe.

 

[Sailor]

You should be able to find the locations in lds.org:

Go to lds.org
- Bottom left "select a region"
- Select Europe
- Select Espana
- Mid page, right side, "localizador de capillas"
- Mapas, in the search box:
(1) Enter Spain (this will display all the locations with city, street, phone numbers)
-or-
(2) Enter the name of the city in Spain, this will give you the address of the church or family center (IF there is one)

For example, this is what I found (this is just a sample)

Barrio Pamplona (Pamplona Ward)
Estaca Vitoria España (Vitoria Spain Stake)
calle Ermitagaña, 16, Parcela 20
PAMPLONA, NAVARRA 31008
SPAIN
34 948-175-887

Centro de Historia Familiar Logrono España (Logrono Spain Family History Center)
calle Trinidad, 4, Bajo
LOGRONO, LA RIOJA 26005
SPAIN

Centro de Historia Familiar Burgos España (Burgos Spain Family History Center)
calle Bartolomé Ordóñez, 1, Bajo
BURGOS, BURGOS 09006
SPAIN

Leon Spain Family History Center
Máximo Cayón Valdaliso, 12
LEON, LEON 24005
España
34 987215968

León Spain District
Calle Batalla del Salado, 1
PONFERRADA, LEON 24403
España
34 987-415-298

Rama Santiago de Compostela (Santiago de Compostela Branch)
Distrito Santiago España (Santiago Spain District)
Calle Dublin cv Londres
SANTIAGO DE COMPOSTELA, LA CORUNA 15707
SPAIN
34 619-602-478

Again, this is just a sample, please check lds.org for more.

Thank you. Good luck. Que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.

 

[Urban Trekker]

I'm going to try and check with the Mission office in Spain about buildings and meeting time along the way. It might get kind of hard to be in the right place at the right time to make a Sacrament meeting. If I can find anything, I will get back to anyone interested

Like I said, If there is a Family History Center anywhere in Spain my wife will go there while I walk the Camino. Our first trip to Europe we spend 14 days out of 41 seeing dead people. Buen Camino

Happy Trails

 

[Walk with Ernie]

My wife and I are future hikers and wonder if anyone has information on LDS branches that might be easily accessible for Sunday worship?

I am wanting to start the Camino in Feb. I will looks for wards and branches. I speak spanish fluently and have multible friends who served missions to spain who are getting info for me.

 

[Walk with Ernie]

You should be able to find the locations in lds.org:

Go to lds.org
- Bottom left "select a region"
- Select Europe
- Select Espana
- Mid page, right side, "localizador de capillas"
- Mapas, in the search box:
(1) Enter Spain (this will display all the locations with city, street, phone numbers)
-or-
(2) Enter the name of the city in Spain, this will give you the address of the church or family center (IF there is one)

For example, this is what I found (this is just a sample)

Barrio Pamplona (Pamplona Ward)
Estaca Vitoria España (Vitoria Spain Stake)
calle Ermitagaña, 16, Parcela 20
PAMPLONA, NAVARRA 31008
SPAIN
34 948-175-887

Centro de Historia Familiar Logrono España (Logrono Spain Family History Center)
calle Trinidad, 4, Bajo
LOGRONO, LA RIOJA 26005
SPAIN

Centro de Historia Familiar Burgos España (Burgos Spain Family History Center)
calle Bartolomé Ordóñez, 1, Bajo
BURGOS, BURGOS 09006
SPAIN

Leon Spain Family History Center
Máximo Cayón Valdaliso, 12
LEON, LEON 24005
España
34 987215968

León Spain District
Calle Batalla del Salado, 1
PONFERRADA, LEON 24403
España
34 987-415-298

Rama Santiago de Compostela (Santiago de Compostela Branch)
Distrito Santiago España (Santiago Spain District)
Calle Dublin cv Londres
SANTIAGO DE COMPOSTELA, LA CORUNA 15707
SPAIN
34 619-602-478

Again, this is just a sample, please check lds.org for more.

Thank you. Good luck. Que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.

I love it. You just saved my friends a lot of looking. .... and you also saved me some time

 

[Walk with Ernie]

One thing I've been doing is photographing tombstones along the Camino in the cemeteries and uploading them so people can trace their families, maybe.

Im from Portland... well from Beaverton

 

[Anniesantiago]

Im from Portland... well from Beaverton

Me too

 

[Joodle]

I found a ward in Pamplona, branches in Logrono, Burgos, Leon, Ponferrada and Santiago de Compostela. I have the addresses. They all start at 10 AM or 10:30 Am. I will have my daughter help me put it together and make it into a link so anyone can open and save it. I'm a nurse, not a computer person. I will let my expert daughter help me.

 

[t2andreo]

Great thread, good cooperation, fine result. Thank you all. I may not share your faith orientation, but I do share your enthusiasm for helping others find their way, along The Way., regardless of which sub-path they follow. THAT is the spirit of the Camino and the modus operandi behind this Forum. Thank you.

Remember that the Camino originally began as a (Papal sanctioned) Christian pilgrimage from all over Europe to the declared (by the local king, bishop and the Pope) final resting place of the bones of St. James the Greater, one of the original 12 Apostles. This occurred in the mid-800s, about 100 years after the Islamic Moors conquered much, but not quite all of the Iberian peninsula in 711 AD. Many historians think and opine that this was a Christian attempt to increase the numbers of Christians in the Moorish conquered lands, as part of the reconquista effort that took another six hundred years, until 1492. In that historical orientation, some 700 years before the Protestant Reformation, those of us who identify as Christians of any stripe, share that common historical foundation.

Also for my, more doctrinaire Christian colleagues and friends whose faith traditions shun the notion of worshipping saints, etc., the pilgrimage, even if done for religious reasons, is not done to "worship" a saint. On arrival, the correct operative verb for the traditional arrival "ceremonies" regarding Santiago is veneration...meaning...to revere or treat with reverence...or high respect. There is no doubt that the man called James, son of Zebedee, and brother of John, was a stand-up fellow. He walked the walk, and talked the talk. In the end his faith cost him his life. And THAT set in motion the entire Santiago story as we now know it.

Saint James the Greater eventually became a Christian saint following his martyrdom in Jerusalem in 44 AD. His remains were spirited away by two of his followers and somehow (that is the entire myth and mystery here) ended up in Galicia. From there, a "miracle" caused the first chapel then church, and ultimately the humongous cathedral we all know, to be built in the 'field of stars' (compostela). the alleged remains of the great saint were placed reverently, under the altar there. Voila! Fast forward to today... The circle is complete!

Remember that, after the Christian Pentacost, the apostles evidently found themselves able to speak in tongues...foreign languages unknown to them. Presumably, and this bit is undocumented, James wound up with something like Celtic or Basque, or an early form of Spanish. In any event, for his missionary assignment, he drew Iberia. This bit should resonate well with my LDS friends. Then part of the Roman empire, Iberia was a wild and wooly place in the first century. In the northwest of Iberia, the Basque and Celtic peoples resisted assimilation by other European tribes and societies. He served his mission assignment there, converting pagans, and other non-Christians to Christianity (remember that at this early date there is only 'one flavor' of Christianity).

Saint James is widely believed, among Christians in Spain, to have interceded to assist the Christians to defeat and ultimately expel the Moors from the Iberian peninsula, but not until 1492. Somewhere along the way, Saint James became the "patron saint" of Spain. Hence Santiago de Compostela (St. James in the field of stars), Sanitago everything, every way, all the time. This of course is the very short and slightly irreverent version.

The entire Camino paradigm is wrapped in layer upon layer of history, faith, culture, politics, architecture, agricultural practice, and a whole panoply of faith based systems, and non-believers as well. There is something for everyone, and a sound reason for undertaking this worthy journey for many purposes. For example, there are people, including prominent Forum members living in Spain, who reside in Mozarabic buildings, dating back more than 600 years, to the Moorish occupation. The Camino just oozes information and history.

See you there...I am planning now, and thinking of fling into Madrid and walking to Santiago from there...dates TBD, but as soon as I can sort it all out.

I hope this helps the dialog.

 

[oursonpolaire]

The Iberian peninsula was full of languages two millennia ago-- likely James had to work with Latin, and either some sort of Celtic lingua franca or a bunch of dialects, and/or the Greek and Hebrew spoken in the Mediterranean ports. Travellers in those days needed to be polyglots even more than 21st century pilgrims, who only need broken Castilian (to order the menu de dia) and enough English to speak to the Germans.

My only question about Mormons is how they manage the Camino without cafe con leche.

 

[JohnCP43]

An excellent and well thought out unbiased summary t2andreo that helps clarify what the camino means to walkers of various motivations (and includes the use of panoply - a wonerful word one does not often get to use).
It touches on the concept of saints. Saints are not "worshipped" but prayers may be directed to them to request their intercession with God on our behalf.
Buen camino,
John

 

[Anniesantiago]

The Iberian peninsula was full of languages two millennia ago-- likely James had to work with Latin, and either some sort of Celtic lingua franca or a bunch of dialects, and/or the Greek and Hebrew spoken in the Mediterranean ports. Travellers in those days needed to be polyglots even more than 21st century pilgrims, who only need broken Castilian (to order the menu de dia) and enough English to speak to the Germans.

My only question about Mormons is how they manage the Camino without cafe con leche.

Hahaha!
Cola Cao!

 

[oursonpolaire]

Hahaha!
Cola Cao!

Serious Spanish chocolate (Casino Cafe, Rua de Vilar, Santiago, anyone??) I can understand, but Cola Cao??? O well, the mystery continues. I ran into a group of four missionaries near Gradefes, on the Vadiniense, some years ago but they weren't very chatty. I speculated to a friend a few days later that they may have been influenced into silence by the Cistercian nuns there.

 

[t2andreo]

I rather suspect that Cola Cao falls into some grey area within the "no caffeine" rule. It may technically have caffeine in it but it is primarily a chocolate drink, not intended as a caffeine source, per se. But, for someone who only drinks a little caffeinated beverage, a little goes a longer way that it does for us "addicts."

Still, I confess to never have tried it, as I was hypnotized some years ago to stop consuming chocolate in any format or delivery system. Long story, but once I start, I cannot stop. I can eat / drink chocolate until I get faint from the sugar. It was my childhood comfort food and the source of my weight issues. So, I no longer desire it...

Cafe con leche, or solo, on the other hand IS very much intended as a source of a caffeine jolt.

At least that is my experienced outsider's view...

 

[jmcarp]

Great thread, good cooperation, fine result. Thank you all. I may not share your faith orientation, but I do share your enthusiasm for helping others find their way, along The Way., regardless of which sub-path they follow. THAT is the spirit of the Camino and the modus operandi behind this Forum. Thank you...[snip]

Good job, Tom.

 

[Tincatinker]

MODERATORS: Cut me a break. This post is not pro-any group, or anti-any group or faith system. It is not judgmental. I was VERY careful to choose my words to avoid your critical eye(s). I am trying to keep to documented, historic fact.

Tom, Rule 2 is there for a very good reason. Meanwhile, I see no bend of Rule 2 that would cause me concern. Members are cautioned to refer to forum rules before posting

 

[Walk with Ernie]

Serious Spanish chocolate (Casino Cafe, Rua de Vilar, Santiago, anyone??) I can understand, but Cola Cao??? O well, the mystery continues. I ran into a group of four missionaries near Gradefes, on the Vadiniense, some years ago but they weren't very chatty. I speculated to a friend a few days later that they may have been influenced into silence by the Cistercian nuns there.

Well to follow ones beliefs and norms is not to difficult. one can always drink plenty of water, sodas, milk, zumos(juices) we are not obliged into drinking coffee or by products because we have to have it to survive. and the same with acoholic beverages. I rather enjoy a refreshing liter of water. My own fellings. not beliefs

By the way I love Cola cao.

 

[Anniesantiago]

I rather suspect that Cola Cao falls into some grey area within the "no caffeine" rule. It may technically have caffeine in it but it is primarily a chocolate drink, not intended as a caffeine source, per se. But, for someone who only drinks a little caffeinated beverage, a little goes a longer way that it does for us "addicts."

Still, I confess to never have tried it, as I was hypnotized some years ago to stop consuming chocolate in any format or delivery system. Long story, but once I start, I cannot stop. I can eat / drink chocolate until I get faint from the sugar. It was my childhood comfort food and the source of my weight issues. So, I no longer desire it...

Cafe con leche, or solo, on the other hand IS very much intended as a source of a caffeine jolt.

At least that is my experienced outsider's view...

The LDS church says nothing about "no caffeine."
The rule is "no coffee" and "no tea"
Specifically, the WOW (Word of Wisdom) says no "hot drinks" which has been defined by the Church leaders as coffee and tea. Whether someone drinks herb teas is up to them, as is it all. I've watched the President of the Church give a talk while drinking a Pepsi on the podium to make this point. And, as with many of the "rules" of the LDS Church, you are only asked about this one if you plan on attending the Temple, where you are expected to complied with certain moral and dietary rules. I do not attend the Temple, and I do enjoy my coffee on occasion.

 

[newfydog]

Great thread, good cooperation, fine result. Thank you all.... I am trying to keep to documented, historic fact.

Remember that the Camino originally began as a (Papal sanctioned) Christian pilgrimage from all over Europe to the declared (by the local king, bishop and the Pope) final resting place of the bones of St. James the Greater, one of the original 12 Apostles. This occurred in the mid-800s, about 100 years after the Islamic Moors conquered much, but not quite all of the Iberian peninsula in 711 AD. Many historians think and opine that this was a Christian attempt to increase the numbers of Christians in the Moorish conquered lands, as part of the reconquista effort that took another six hundred years, until 1492. In that historical orientation, some 700 years before the Protestant Reformation, those of us who identify as Christians of any stripe, share that common historical foundation.

.

Thanks for your excellent post. I frequently refer to William Meltzer's "The Pilgrim's guide to Santiago" which is the first English translation of the original Codex Calixtinus. In his introduction he lays out the history of the tradition of St James precisely as you have written.

 

[t2andreo]

Thank you all for for approbation and support. A day when I learn something new is always a good day. While I worked alongside many LDS members during my career, I confess to being ignorant about some of the rules of the road. Thank you for educating me.

So, if you see me on Camino, or at Santiago this year, the Cola Cao is on me, at least the first round...

 

[Kwwhite]

I am LDS also and I was wondering about this. Hopefully we can find somewhere to attend.

Doing Francés in a month. Did anyone ever get good info on Lds branches along the Way?

 

[mspath]

Doing Francés in a month. Did anyone ever get good info on Lds branches along the Way?

Perhaps this article may help with your research
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Spain

Good luck and Buen camino!