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There has been some recent forum chatter about a
Any other help on this? Many thanks, buen camino, Laurie
Yep, Via de Bayona is from Bayonne to Burgos while Vasco Interior is from Irun to Sto.Domingo de la Calzada. They are overlapping from Irun to just after the village of Estavillo. See attached photo, left for Vasco, right for Bayona....
For the experts out there, first a question about terminology. Is it right that the Via Bayona starts in Bayonne, picks up the Vasco Interior in Irun, and then splits from the Vasco Interior after Puebla de Arganzón, with the Interior heading to Santo Domingo de la Calzada, and the Bayona heading to Burgos?
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Any other help on this? Many thanks, buen camino, Laurie
Is there alternative from Beasain to Segura??? I only know of Segura to Zegama alternative option.Laurie, it's been a year and a half since the Beloved and I walked the Vasco from Irun to Santo Domingo ( blessed be the road-maker) but we don't remember a LOT of asphalt. Some for sure, the first day or so but then track, path and by-way.
The 'alternative' route ( in the CSJ guide) from Beasain to Segura is now the way marked route from the footbridge over the railway. We took the 'old' route in steady rain. One disagreement with the CSJ guide and other comments in this section is the Albergue in Zegama / Segama. It is not located in a Porto-cabin. It is the Polideportivo of the school - a few bunk beds along one side of the school gymnasium. The 'facilities' are the children's toilets in the ground floor level, no showers that we ever found.
At Salvatierra / Agurian when we were there the Hospitalero wasn't answering their 'phone and the telephone number posted on the door of the closed officina Tourismo was the number of the Officina de Tourismo, we could here it ringing when we were stood outside. The friendly staff at the municipal swimming pool, near the Albergue, we're sure they would be handed the keys 'next month'. The only pension was painfully expensive but very friendly.
We loved every metre of the Vasco, even the asphalt bits.
Is there alternative from Beasain to Segura??? I only know of Segura to Zegama alternative option.
And obviously Zegama albergue is no longer in pre-fab containers as I see on Gronze. Anyway it leaked in 2016 and we had a lot of buckets placed in the dorm
Thanks for the info. I checked on gronze, and it looks like Pancorbo is on the Bayona to Burgos after the split. I think I’m going to stay on the Vasco to Santo Domingo de la Calzada. But I’ll keep that in mind. These are pretty tentative plans at this point!I'm not sure the Albergue de peregrinos de Zegama was open due to some kind of sporting (?) event the night I was there in May but Pensión Zegama was comfortable. My Spanish is dire but if I understood the lovely chap in the beautiful Albergue de peregrinos de Beasain correctly, Pensión Zegama was the only place to stay before the tunnel that night. Pancorbo, looked like an interesting place, I would have gone up to the fort if I had known it was here: http://www.pancorbo.es/lugares-de-interes/folleto-pancorbo-puntos-de-interes
Yep, Pancorbo is on Via de Bayona. It's the end of possibly the nicest stage of Bayona. Nice albergue too but very odd opening hours in that communal/youth center and there fore maybe hard to get the keys to the dorm.Thanks for the info. I checked on gronze, and it looks like Pancorbo is on the Bayona to Burgos after the split. I think I’m going to stay on the Vasco to Santo Domingo de la Calzada. But I’ll keep that in mind. These are pretty tentative plans at this point!
Yep, Pancorbo is on Via de Bayona. It's the end of possibly the nicest stage of Bayona. Nice albergue too but very odd opening hours in that communal/youth center and there fore maybe hard to get the keys to the dorm.
Just a little bit before Pancorbo is the most narrow passage where RR, highway, Camino and the river are sharing space. Some photos attached..
Thanks @chinacat but it's the scenery that's breathtaking
Hahahaha, good point. Wisely said!Now, wait a minute, Kinky. I have a friend who is a good photographer (maybe not as good as you), and she once told me that she was so tired of people saying things like — your pictures are so beautiful, you must have a very good camera. So once she said to one of those friends — your food is so good, you must have a very good oven.
But more to the point — do you recommend the way through Burgos, then? I am really conflicted.
I don’t really care where I end up because I am not going to be walking on the Francés anyway, but will transition somehow to the Olvidado. I see the difference in days, but I’m trying to figure out the tradeoffs, if you will.I have the same phpto.
The question is: Do you want to finish the Vasco in Santo Domingo de la Calzada or in Burgos joining the Frances?
To Sto.Domingo.
I didn't visit Haro but I've heard a lot of praises for the wine cellars
Well, since I frequently talk to myself, I will post this answer to my question, just in case there are others out there with similar ideas.
For night one, out of Irún, there are pensiones (about 50 € double) in both Hernani and Lasarte-Oria. Hernani is about 26, Lasarte-Oria about 30.
Does anyone have a recommendation as between those two?
Day 2 is a bit trickier. The obvious stopping point is Bidegorán (Bidania). There is a four star fancy hotel, but it would break most pilgrims’ budgets. Double rooms close to 200 €. https://www.iriartejauregia.com/en/inicio
The more reasonable alternatives are
1. a casa rural that is in Errezil, which looks to be about 3 km away (but with google maps and rural places, I find the locationis not always accurate).So we conceivably could just walk or get a ride. https://turismo.euskadi.eus/es/alojamientos/casa-rural-letea/aa30-12375/es/
2. Taking a bus to Tolosa (which is on the “normal” Vasco and has an albergue). Next morning early (buses start late) hop in a cab back to Bidania, which should be reasonable since it is about 10 km away.
So, any insights or recommendations?
Buen camino.
I wonder how did you managed to find it, Tom??? I found the bar (which was closed but nevertheles I always manage to find a bar) but there were absolutely no markers for albergue....
For the end of Day one: We quite enjoyed staying in the albergue at Santiagomendi (2015). In good weather it's a restful place as you can sit in the garden on the side of the hill with sweeping views all the way to San Seb and the sea beyond. ...
Well, it's going back a few years now, but I recall it as being easy to find. There were various municipal signs pointing the way to drive up to it as the high point. This google map shows it at the apex of a loop - and I think the loop was attached to the camino - non?I wonder how did you managed to find it, Tom??? I found the bar (which was closed but nevertheles I always manage to find a bar) but there were absolutely no markers for albergue.
Laurie - yes, you must do the cathedral and tower one, otherwise you might not shuffle along the high narrow gallery which was (bizarrely) designated as the place for pilgrims to sleep...There are several tour options — cathedral and tower seems most appealing. Do you remember which you did?
Joe, I think you have more weather-related adventures than anyone I know on the forum. I’m thinking of your Madrid and Salvador, you are a weather magnet!
Wow, I will take a while to absorb all of this! I will have to wait till next week when I am back on my computer, but you can be sure I will be trying to figure it all out.Hi Laurie,
Like you, I love planning for upcoming trips and visualizing the possibilities. The wikiloc track you sent is a great help for finding some specific info! Here are a few things that might help:
1. In this case, the Google map location for the Casa Rural Letea appears to be correct. If you zoom in on Google maps and choose "street view", the picture for that location exactly matches the photo in the Euskudai and Escapada Rural photos.
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- To see your Wikiloc track on the IGN map (like the Gaia one): on your computer, open up your Wikiloc track in full screen mode and choose "Mapa" (as opposed to Satélite) in the upper right corner. You should get the same IGN map view as the one on Gaia, but this time with your Wikiloc route on it. It looks like your route passes about 1 kilometer above Errezil (as the crow flies).
- There are tracks decending to Errezil from your route at the points circled in red and blue in the photo below. The casa rural is marked with the green arrow.
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- On the following wikiloc route: https://es.wikiloc.com/rutas-senderismo/errezil-hernio-gazume-jiva-2970625, it looks like it's 3.1 km from the red circled junction above town down to the road.
- If you want to see all the connecting Wikiloc routes in an area, you can enable the Wikiloc symbols in Google Earth. https://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/googleearth.do I sometimes find this easier to use than the Wikiloc map search feature. The more you zoom in, the more routes show up.
Have fun exploring!
Elaine
Just be prepared for inclines which Wikiloc or GoogleMaps don't showWow, I will take a while to absorb all of this! I will have to wait till next week when I am back on my computer, but you can be sure I will be trying to figure it all out.
Thank you so so much, I really appreciate it.
Yes, indeed, they do look pretty steep! On the IGN map, the departure point for Errezil (red circle) looks like it is at about 840 meters and the casa rural in Errezil is at about 350 meters.
Happily, over the last year Wikiloc has added several new tools that make it possible to see accurate figures for elevation changes and distances on their website. Although I realize using GPX tracks is not something that everyone on the forum wants to do, for anyone who wants to investigate alternative trails to connect to accommodations, to detour around bad weather or trail obstructions, or to find intersecting trails, here are some hints that might help.
1. To see accurate elevation changes, one way is to open the Wikiloc track you are interested in on a computer and click on "map" view rather than "satellite" view in the upper right corner of the screen.
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- This changes the background for the Wikiloc track to an IGN map showing topographical lines in 10 meter gradients.
- If the IGN background map is not the map view that pops up, you may need to use the "more maps" drop-down menu and choose "Mapa Ráster (IGN)".
- Note that you have to zoom in quite a bit for the topo lines to be clearly visible. If you are too far out, the IGN map looks like a regular street map without topo lines visible.
- There are also 9 other map choices in the drop-down menu labeled "more maps." Several of them have topo lines.
Note: To see the IGN map on the Wikiloc app on your phone, you either have to be connected to wifi or have downloaded the IGN map for offline use. Click on the circular map symbol at the top right of the phone screen, and it takes you to your choices.
2. A second way to see elevation information on Wikiloc is to use the elevation graph at the bottom of the track window.
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- Move your cursor along the elevation line on the graph and you will see a blue dot appear. There will be a matching blue dot moving along the track on the map.
- The two dots move simultaneously, giving a good picture of what the trail is actually doing in terms of distance and elevation since you can see both at once.
- You can accurately measure elevation and distance on the ground between any two points on your track by using this blue dot feature.
- In the photo below, for example, the blue dot on the elevation graph matches the point where a track leaves the camino variant at Ernio and descends to meet the road at Errezil. This portion of the track leaves the GR 34 at an elevation of 835 meters and descends for 3 kilometers, meeting the main road at 413 meters. (This is the actual ground distance recorded by the GPS unit of the person who contributed the track to Wikiloc, not the "crow flies" distance.)
These Wikiloc features have been quite useful for us; if anyone has any questions about how to use them, I'd be glad to help.
Elaine
Hallo Camino friends,
my name is Michael , I´m from Germany and a few minutes ago I decided to be a new member of this forum.
I learned English more than 30 years ago and use it only on the Camino. It´s not easy for me, to navigate in an englishspeaker forum - it´s a challenge, so please forgive me a little bit.
I few words to my ways:
Since 2004, when I started my first way to Santiago in Cologne/Germany, I am addicted to the Camino.
We (3 friends and me) walked from Cologne to Luxembourg, crossed France by bike and than walked in two stages through Spain to Santiago. It was great, but I was a little bit jealous to the pilgrims who walked alone, because as a little group of 4 people you fill every little table in a bar by yourselve. And getting in contact to the other pilgrims is not so easy, especially when you are the only one who can speak another language than german, so you have to translate everything.
So in 2011, after we came home from our Camino, I decided to make it one more time, but alone.
I started 2012 in St. Jean and I was determined to walk alone - but that was not the plan HE had for me.
So after two days I met Gyula and Luca, two guys from Hungary and Italy, and the next day we walked together. And day after day we met one more pilgrim who fits to us. Christa from Holland, Betty from Romania, Ayi, a priest from India who lives is a parrish in Germany and Valerie and Dieter from Belgium. It was not possible to walk with such a group on the Camino and so we splitted, walked alone, as a duo or a tripple, but we kept in contact on the camino and since than. We meet every year in one country and the host shows us his home area. And a few of them have very nice home areas......... Budapest, Turin, Brussels and Bruges in Belgium, Transsylvanian mountains in Romania, the dutch Lowlands and my industrial areaat the river Ruhr in Germany. And we live, from your point of view, very close to each other, so you can get a flight ticket from Germany to Italy, Hungary and Romania for less than 100€ both ways and the belgium and dutch friends I can visite by bike, if I train a little bit.
Since 2012 we made a biking tour around Lake Balaton in Hungary, a tour through the alps in Italy, hiking in the fantastic nature in the Karpathian Mountains in Romania. And we visited a coal mine and could go under the earth in my area. And last but not least we celebrated three weddings (Italy, Belgium, Romania) and one baptism and we are waiting for the next baby. It´s such a great gift and a blessing I have received on my Camino.
And until now, i was every year on a different Camino.
For this year i want to walk on the Camino Vasco interior from Irun to Burgos. As you know, there are not so many information about this way in the internet, so I decided to look on the international stage
And I think, I can give you some information, too.
There is a variante of the Vasco from Hernani through the natur to Zegama and you can find maps on the plattform www.outdooractive.com under the german key-words "Jakobsweg (Inland)"
7 maps of the "normal" etapes and in addition two maps of the variants.
In spanish it´s called Ruta de transhumancia (there are many in spain) or Variante de Saiatz.
It starts in Hernani, goes over Lasarte-Oria and Saskarate and ends on the first map in Bidania-Goiatz. The next day goes from there over Zerain to Zegama and then on the "normal" way.
I know different places to sleep between Irun and Zegama:
Agroturismo Arraspine, 3-4 km before Hernani
Arraspiñe | Casa Rural en ASTIGARRAGA GIPUZKOA / GUIPUZCOA
Caserío catalogado como patrimonio histórico de Gipuzkoa, a 8km de Donostia. Dispone de 6 habitaciones dobles con baño y de una sala de estar con TV para los huéspedes. ...www.nekatur.net
Casa Rural Saskarate, 17km after Hernani (is being renovated, I hope they are ready in may)
Saskarate | Casa Rural en ASTEASU GIPUZKOA / GUIPUZCOA
Caserío del Siglo XVII rehabilitado, respetando toda la estructura de madera, en plena montaña, aproximadamente a 20 minutos de San Sebastián y Zarautz y muy cerca del ...www.nekatur.net
Albergue Ambiental de Beizama (17km from Saskarate)
Albergue Ambiental de Beizama, Beizama, Spanien
Die Albergue Ambiental de Beizama begrüßt Sie in der kleinen Stadt Beizama, umgeben von Landschaft.www.booking.com
Albergue Harizti-Erdi in Zerain (27km from Beizama)
I hope, I could help you a little bit.
Now it´s time to sleep in Germany. It takes much longer to write in english than in german, but, thanks to google translate, I hope it´s not too bad for your eyes.
Good night.
Michael
Elaine, did you put that track to Errezil on the map? Because when I go to the link of the alternative that you linked to, https://es.wikiloc.com/rutas-sender...saskarate-alto-de-mandubia-por-saiatz-5878829, I don't see the route down to Errezil.
Hi Laurie,And another random IGN question -- what are those red dots/dashes on the maps? Do they indicate trails or something else?
Laurie, you have probably settled this question entirely by now, but since I was familiar with the area, I used it as an "experiment" to see how the new Wikiloc "search passing area" tool works (see separate post - it's marvelous in terms of what it opens up) and discovered some tracks that may be useful to you on your day ending in Errezil or Tolosa:
This one goes directly from the Ernio junction down to Errezil and on to Bidania with minimal road walking:
These two offer a different alternative. If you wanted to take the mountain route but end up in Tolosa rather than Errezil, there's an 11 km section of the route from the Ernio junction that connects to Tolosa:Erniopeko mendi ibilaldia
Erniopeko mendi ibilaldia Hiking trail in Bidania, País Vasco (España). Download its GPS track and follow the itinerary on a map. Erniozaleak kultur elkarteak, 2014ko maiatzaren 11n antolaturiko Erniopeko mendi ibilaldia da hau. Bertan Ernio mendia inguratzen duten zortzi herrietatik igarotzen...www.wikiloc.com
Tolosa-Ernio-Pagoeta-Aya-Zarautz
Tolosa-Ernio-Pagoeta-Aya-Zarautz Hiking trail in Bidebieta, País Vasco (España). Download its GPS track and follow the itinerary on a map. Partiendo de Tolosa remontamos hasta alcanzar Erniozabal, mil metros de desnivel. Continuamos por toda la cimera hasta llegar a la cruz de Ernio. Nosotros...www.wikiloc.com The photos of the route look gorgeous!Tolosa - Muñoaundieta - Herniozabal - Uraitz Gaina - Aizpel - Hernio - Portumatza - Asteasu - Villabona
Tolosa - Muñoaundieta - Herniozabal - Uraitz Gaina - Aizpel - Hernio - Portumatza - Asteasu - Villabona Hiking trail in Rondilla, País Vasco (España). Download its GPS track and follow the itinerary on a map. Inicio: Estacion Renfe de Tolosa-Centro Llegada: Estacion Renfe de Billabona-Zizurkil...www.wikiloc.com
It only shows up sideways and I can’t get it to flip
What I cannot figure out is how to get the premium version when I am online.
It looks like it ends in a parking lot, and it looks like it is in Erezil, so I think maybe it could be that Letea place that you found on the IGN maps.Is that possible?
Casa rural LETEA | ERREZIL | GIPUZKOA | Turismo Euskadi - Turismo en Euskadi, País Vasco
Casa rural LETEA (1), Letea, s/n. (2634, Km. 13) (ERREZIL). Reserve el Casa rural LETEA al mejor precioturismo.euskadi.eus
It sounds like business must be good in that area - imagine already being nearly booked up for summer! Good thing you got right on the reservations. The Izarre does indeed look lovely, but I agree with you that kindness and helpfulness outweigh everything. You've got some great alternatives laid out for future walkers.I will be there in early June, and she told me that the place is almost full for the entire months of July and August already!
Anyway, they have told me about another mountain lodging possibility, in case anyone else wants to give this a try.
6 km beyond Bidania, right on the Camino.
http://segore.com/
So glad that you posted this because I had no idea just how wonderful it was! Thanks Peregrina2000Just checking back in to say that wikiloc is an amazing website —
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