D
For 2024 Pilgrims: €50,- donation = 1 year with no ads on the forum + 90% off any 2024 Guide. More here. (Discount code sent to you by Private Message after your donation) |
---|
screaming kids to run amok till midnight with no attempt by management to quieten them,
Cheers Dave last night was 0130am outside the La Encina in hospital Le Orbigo before the loud crowd went home, had to leave the window open because it was stifling hot..I live in a town near the centre - I chose it as I really like the night noises, even the wandering drunks trying to get home. It is just part and parcel of city and big town life and one just needs to surrender to it I think ... what you heard as screaming kids others may have heard as joyful cheerful children .... but, I know you were tired ...
Leon is a great town but there is a pay-off in staying there - which is why so many go for the 'in between' stops in small quiet villages - and, hey! you have had some lovely stop-overs!!
Buen Camino Mick - catch up on that lost sleep tonight, I lift a glass to you, and your mission.
Buen Camino!
Yep good choiceThe things I could tell about this... I have learned to run for my life (at least to the next village)...
I say you were lucky. I slept in an albergue sharing a wall with the local community center. During Semana Santa. Party until 3 am!Cheers Dave last night was 0130am outside the La Encina in hospital Le Orbigo before the loud crowd went home, had to leave the window open because it was stifling hot..
Cheers Dave last night was 0130am outside the La Encina in hospital Le Orbigo before the loud crowd went home, had to leave the window open because it was stifling hot..
It's Spain, that is how they are and always have been....perhaps splash out a bit and stay in a hotel away from the noise like we did. Good advice for everyone.Leon is well known for its Barrio Húmedo (the "Wet" Quarter) and its party subculture. Yes, it can be raucous by night, especially the weekends -there is nothing that hospitaleros can do about it.
Places that receive pilgrims and tourists can't be expected to be as quiet as albergues, especially in this city. I see that this place closes door at midnight, so there will be guests going and coming late in the night.
I have been lodged three times in Leon. The first times with the Carbajalas and the Albergue La Muralla. In the latter, which is close to Plaza Mayor, I could hear some revelers, but nothing particularly extraordinary.
Last time, I stayed in the suburbs, in albergue Santo Tomás de Canterbury. There were some noisy footbal fans in the adjacent bar (there was a match in the TV, they were alternatively enthusastic or dismayed -it was fun to see them) but at 10 PM everybody went home. I enjoyed a very quiet night.
That's it. It's a cultural thing. Here in the Netherlands we have rules about making noice, especially in the bigger cities. We have rules for festivals, a closing time for terraces, etc. In almost all kind of accomodations 'quiet after 11pm' is the norm. I guess all of this is non-existent in Spain...It's Spain, that is how they are and always have been....
Hahaha! You are so funny!Doesn't matter the town....noise is everywhere unless you happen to be deaf. I'm literally in a town with cannons going off all day and day/night there is this alarm that lets the entire town know it's hot. It's not bad enough I'm on the hardest bed in Spain laying in a pool of sweat...I need that alarm to remind me it's hot so I stay awake all night. Lol! I love the Camino
Here's an update....last night I had the best bed,hot water (not that I needed it),wifi and it was super quiet...the only thing was that there was no blackout screen that makes that loud sound when opening and closing that wakes me early every morning. I just put my head down and was thankful...then I prayed and suddenly I heard a light rumble...my boyfriend and I both jumped up and looked at each other. Simultaneously we said "it's electric". Sure enough there was a button hidden behind the curtain to automatically lower the blackout screen. A Camino miracle Slept like a baby. Keep the hope alive.Hahaha! You are so funny!
You have a roof over your head, and some sort of mattress beneath you.
You are supposedly a pilgrim, on a pilgrim trail.
You are not entitled to a silent night.
For me it is more than 50 years ago bud we did the same in summer .Also take into consideration that not every Spanish household has airco . So I can understand the Spaniards spending time outside when it is somewhat cooling down.
I remember only 40 years ago as a child that here in Belgium people where also sitting outside on the street, in summer , talking to each other. Our culture changed a bit...Must say I prefer the Spanish way of living.
Please ALWAYS remember we are guests in Spain, we wish to praise our God thru the Camino, it is our hope and prayer that we will become closer to him. Why are some of us finding fault instead of accepting that God works in ways that are sometimes unknouwn to us. Let us all be thankful that we have the blessing of Spain to visit their country and feel free to give thanks for all he has provided.The biggest disappointment I have had on the Camino is the noise level that emanates from outside the Albergues from locals mostly drunk and talking loudly( which they do most of the time) this is not a shot at them as it is their Country their town and mostly their tavern to unwind. I just wish there was more information on these Albergues as to a rating on noise levels. I stayed at the San Francisco Albergue in Leon for two days and on the Friday night they allow all the locals to utilitise the cheap accommodation at the expense of pilgrims and their screaming kids to run amok till midnight with no attempt by management to quieten them, not what you want when you need your sleep after s hard days walking. I decided to sleep in much to the chagrin of the management.
That's it. It's a cultural thing. Here in the Netherlands we have rules about making noice, especially in the bigger cities. We have rules for festivals, a closing time for terraces, etc. In almost all kind of accomodations 'quiet after 11pm' is the norm. I guess all of this is non-existent in Spain...
I stayed at a small hotel in Leon a block or two from the cathedral on May Day weekend 2015. Little did I know the college students were going to be celebrating on the street two floors below me until at least 5:00am. Thankfully my room had awesome thick wood shutters inside that blocked out most of the noise. But I'd wake up every few hours, open the shutters and take a peek below. The roar of the partiers was unbelievable and they threw their napkins and trash all over the street. Each time I opened the shutters to look, there was more and more trash and noise. When I finally woke up in the early daylight, I looked out one last time and the street was empty...no people, no trash. Just a shiny, wet clean street by 7:00am.Ah - 0130? I would have started throwing bricks at them !!
You have a roof over your head, and some sort of mattress beneath you.
You are supposedly a pilgrim, on a pilgrim trail.
You are not entitled to a silent night.
If you walk during the summer months, you will most likely come across some festivals. Noise from inside the alburgues is certainly annoying and is caused by disrespectful pilgrims. Noise from outside the alburgues generally comes from the locals celebrating some festival. Although it has disturbed my sleep at times, I remind myself that I am a visitor. It is not my place to judge the local folks and their customs and celebrations. It's all part of the experience, and I figure I can make up the sleep the next day. I'm looking forward to my 4th trip this fall, and I actually hope to land in a village with a festival going on.The biggest disappointment I have had on the Camino is the noise level that emanates from outside the Albergues from locals mostly drunk and talking loudly( which they do most of the time) this is not a shot at them as it is their Country their town and mostly their tavern to unwind. I just wish there was more information on these Albergues as to a rating on noise levels. I stayed at the San Francisco Albergue in Leon for two days and on the Friday night they allow all the locals to utilitise the cheap accommodation at the expense of pilgrims and their screaming kids to run amok till midnight with no attempt by management to quieten them, not what you want when you need your sleep after s hard days walking. I decided to sleep in much to the chagrin of the management.
"Remember, Camino Rule #4...'a tourist complains, a pilgrim is grateful...as Rebekah so eloquently stated.
I wonder if this truism as she stated can be reduced to haiku? Hmmm?"
sort of like this??
Complaining Touragrinos
The negative storm
Grateful is the centred heart
(Haiku poems consist of 3 lines. The first and last lines have 5 syllables and the middle line has 7 syllables. The lines rarely rhyme.) - next please!!
nice!
Guys (non-gender specific) - Haiku poems consist of 3 lines. The first lines has 5 syllables, the second has 7 syllables and the third has 5 syllables. The lines rarely rhyme.
I have never been
part of a poem before.
My life is complete.
...Guys (non-gender specific) - Haiku poems consist of 3 lines. The first lines has 5 syllables, the second has 7 syllables and the third has 5 syllables. The lines rarely rhyme.
...
Complaining Touragrinos
The negative storm
Grateful is the centred heart
...
But your own haiku doesn't follow this rule either, unless I miscounted something BC SY
It's also worth remembering that in Spain EVERYTHING is later. Especially in summertime. It's not unusual to sit down for dinner at 10/11 pm and that includes the kids too. I often spend summers up on the north med coast. I often get calls from friends at 11pm to see 'what I'm doing this evening'. As a pilgrim EVERYTHING is earlier. As many other people have mentioned, avoid larger cities and avoid fiestas if you want a decent night's sleep. Or a someone else said...invest in a decent set of earplugsThe biggest disappointment I have had on the Camino is the noise level that emanates from outside the Albergues from locals mostly drunk and talking loudly( which they do most of the time) this is not a shot at them as it is their Country their town and mostly their tavern to unwind. I just wish there was more information on these Albergues as to a rating on noise levels. I stayed at the San Francisco Albergue in Leon for two days and on the Friday night they allow all the locals to utilitise the cheap accommodation at the expense of pilgrims and their screaming kids to run amok till midnight with no attempt by management to quieten them, not what you want when you need your sleep after s hard days walking. I decided to sleep in much to the chagrin of the management.
Nonnononoo - a Haiku has to be seven syllables on the first line, five on the second, and then seven again - yours is 5, 6, 5 - not a Haiku! Also, A Haiku isn't prose - it has to have a hidden meaning within non rhyming lines - mine, for instance, was supposed to be that at the heart of a cyclone, a storm, there is a silent and peaceful centre - I know I failed but I tried to make it have two perception levels, the first read level then the heart is the silent calm at the centre of a storm understanding - I know I failed, I'm rubbish at this, but that was what I attempted
Sorry to disagree, but a haiku is 5,7,5 and that's what I believe mine is. ("mine" is a quote from you, actually) I agree that yours was the better, more authentic haiku content, for sure! But need to change the syllables.
Yes I witnessed that on the last two days out of SarriaYou have a roof over your head, and some sort of mattress beneath you.
You are supposedly a pilgrim, on a pilgrim trail.
You are not entitled to a silent night.
Don't tell me II know - you have to remember that I am a complete idiot - even when I try to be funny I get it wrong - mea culpa!! ;0
early onset dementia I think
You have to be in the circle of conversation to understand the logic of my argument, cheers mateDon't tell me I
have now missed the chance to
misunderstand you
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?