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Yes.Is the Frances the main Camino?
Yes.
As I 've heard the Primitivo WAS the "first" or "original" Camino (sorry for using maybe non-adequate words, but you know what I mean) in Spain, only centuries later streams of pilgrims switched to "Frances" as we call it today.Haha, so you're saying that the Primitivo is not really a true Camino?
As I 've heard the Primitivo WAS the "first" or "original" Camino (sorry for using maybe non-adequate words, but you know what I mean) in Spain, only centuries later streams of pilgrims switched to "Frances" as we call it today.
I know there are numerous forum members that can tell you much more about this. Wait a little bit
You just can't be "missing out" whatever Camino you takeHey again, Kinky One. I did read about that. Interesting stuff.
I just don't wanna feel like I'm "missing out" by doing the Primitivo. Maybe I'm being foolish in thinking that way.
My title may be convey a competition between the two, however that was not my intention. I originally was planning the Frances for my first Camino. The time may simply be too long and I want to be at the start and finish - no parts of routes. If I were to do the Camino Primitivo, am I missing out by not doing the Frances? Is the Frances the main Camino?
We like the stone set at one of the gates in Lugo, in 1996, recording the pilgrimage of Alfonso ll in the early 9th century (approx 830)The first recorded pilgrimage across the Pyrenees to the shrine of Saint James is that of the bishop Godescalc of Le Puy-en-Velay in the Auvergne region.This occurred in the winter of the year 951.
The monk Gomez of the monastery of Abelda recorded that Godescalc left Le Puy, then part of Aquitaine, with a large entourage of pilgrims in order to, “reach in haste the lands of Galicia to implore the mercy of Christ and the approbation of Saint James”.
Gomez copied a manuscript of Ildefonsus of Toledo concerning the Virginity of Mary, the Madonna, as a gift for Godescalc to take back to France with him.
While that is probably not the first pilgrimage ever, it set the modern tradition, and it was generally the Camino Frances once it reached Roncesvalles.
In the early 9th Century, between 820 and 830 A.D., the Bishop Teodomirus announced the discovery of the remains of St. James, the disciple of Our Lord Jesus Christ. A shepherd / hermit named Pelayo had seen mysterious lights on a hillside, accompanied by angelic voices. On investigation, the bishop and his men discovered three stone coffins which held the remains of St. James and his two companions. The site near the Roman seaport of Iria Flavia, modern Padron, was named Compostela - Field of Stars.
On hearing of the discovery, Alfonso II, king of Asturias, made the first recorded pilgrimage to the tomb of Santiago. Guided by the Milky Way he travelled from his capital city of Oviedo, through the mountains to Lugo and then down the Roman road, the Via Romana Lucus Iria Flavia to Compostela. The route he took is now known as the 'Camino Primitivo', the 'Ancient Road'.
I would favour the Primitivo over the Francés. It is the ancient historical route, although now with some modern diversions as on the CF. It passes through amazing countryside and old villages as well as some towns.
This is very interesting to me. I keep seeing picture of "abandoned villages" along the Camino, and have yet to see one. Are they along the Primitivo - which I will walk, come hail or high water in May and June.
Hi Robert - congrats on your upcoming wedding and camino!
I am in the process of preparing for my first camino, and have settled on the Primitivo (other considerations being the Norte and Frances). There are a few reason for this, which have essentially all been listed above in other responses. Am getting very excited! Just hope the weather will play along
Regards,
Marty
I think I'm definitely settled on the Primitivo and Salvador. I see that TerryB put up a link to a guide. Is that the generally accepted guide? Can anyone else recommend a guide, preferably paper-book copy, that I can plan and take with me on the Camino?
Hey Marty, good luck on your Camino!
To all, I'm not sure if I'll be getting married this year but I am going to propose in March. She's just waiting for me
I think I'm definitely settled on the Primitivo and Salvador. I see that TerryB put up a link to a guide. Is that the generally accepted guide? Can anyone else recommend a guide, preferably paper-book copy, that I can plan and take with me on the Camino?
Thanks again everyone.
I walked several camino's and still have the idea that the CF was the camino that provided 'my' best camino experience.
The stages along the route and the way this is visualized in the landscape: physical beginning, mental middle, rebirth end. (As Camino del Norte or even Primitivo are more of the same (with exceptions).
The way I began to like the bars and cafe's with red parasols along the route as important places (how diferent as on the Camino del Norte or the Primitivo, or Ingles..).
The diversity of people walking the route.
Yes, I think the CF is the best first camino to walk,
even with the many people performing the same;-)
"The value of each camino is in the heart of the beholder." My words ;-)
First of all - congratulations for your upcoming marriageI like certain ideas about the Frances, that's definitely true. I also think I've been really sold by The Way movie that it's a part of rationale on the Caminos. However, I am looking for introspection and natural beauty (I LOVE MOUNAINS!). It seems that perhaps the Primitivo and Salvador were chosen or me given my constraints ... and I don't mean that in a negative way whatsoever
I ran some numbers through a spreadsheet, just to see what a few of the differences between the Camino Francés and Camino Primitivo would be. All of these are based on the stages on Guía del Camino Francés (gronze.com):
León to Santiago (Camino Francés):
13 days, 316 kilometers, 80.25 hours of walking (includes variation to Samos)
Average pace: 24.3 km / day, 6.2 hours of walking per day
One hard day (Vega de Valcarce to Triacastela), two long days (over seven hours of walking)
León to Oviedo (Camino del Salvador) to Mélide (Camino Primitivo) to Santiago (Camino Francés):
18 days, 434.5 kilometers, 113.25 hours of walking
Average pace: 24.1 km per day, 6.3 hours of walking per day
Two hard days (Buiza to Pajares, Pola de Allande to La Mesa), six long days
Santiago de Compostella to Finisterre:
4 days, 88.2 kilometers, 22.25 hours of walking
Average pace: 22.1 km / day, 5.56 hours of walking
No hard days, one long day (8.25 hours Negreira to Olveiroa)
First of all - congratulations for your upcoming marriage
I too love mountains and I was also a climber. When asked by "valley people" what exactly I do like up there so much I have to admit that being up there is what I like the most. Much more than walking to there
Keep us posted, Robert!
Ultreia!
"The value of each camino is in the heart of the beholder." My words ;-)
Or should I say my condolences to you?Thanks for the kind words
I totally get it. Every time I've been in the mountains I feel clear. It's hard to explain. Just a peace you can't find everywhere.
Wow, I appreciate the effort!
I think Damien kind of hit the nail on the head about doing a whole route. I feel that if I did the Frances, I would have to start in SJPDP. I know it's not a big deal to start down the line, but for me it's just how I feel. I wanna complete full routes.
That's why I'm thinking the Salvador and Primitivo.
Plus one the biggest draws of the Frances for me is the Pyranees portion.
Laurie -- What spectacular pics -- they make me wish we had time to walk the Salvador this summer! LizHi, Robert,
I can assure you that the kms from Buiza to the town of Pajares is every bit as beautiful and majestic (though perhaps the peaks are a little lower) as the first day out of SJPP. Buen camino, Laurie
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Hi, Robert,
I can assure you that the kms from Buiza to the town of Pajares is every bit as beautiful and majestic (though perhaps the peaks are a little lower) as the first day out of SJPP. Buen camino, Laurie
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These pictures are magnificent, you can feel the magic. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings. My boss keeps telling me that I don't need to go walk the same place every time (meaning Spain) - these images, together with the ones I took of del Norte this fall and those from past CF walks really show that even if it is the same country, it is far from walking the in the same place. Plus, as a Spanish citizen I love discovering "my own" country. Ok, so perhaps I will also apply this to Canada and walk in NewFoundland ;0)Hi, Robert,
I can assure you that the kms from Buiza to the town of Pajares is every bit as beautiful and majestic (though perhaps the peaks are a little lower) as the first day out of SJPP. Buen camino, Laurie
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These pictures are magnificent, you can feel the magic. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings. My boss keeps telling me that I don't need to go walk the same place every time (meaning Spain) - these images, together with the ones I took of del Norte this fall and those from past CF walks really show that even if it is the same country, it is far from walking the in the same place. Plus, as a Spanish citizen I love discovering "my own" country. Ok, so perhaps I will also apply this to Canada and walk in NewFoundland ;0)
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