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I'd need your account numberYou are welcome to use any of mine that you wish PANO, but if you make millions I will want the standard 10%.
Thanks Susanna. According to the interesting link you posted, Ivar does not own the uploaded photos. I think that many of us look forward to his response.I have asked Ivar to write something in reply to your question, who owns the photos uploaded to the image gallery.
I googled and found an article about this topic which I think was interesting:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/nov/26/news-photography-medialaw
Thanks, Mig, I share your opinion and when the blog (albeit in German) is published, I shall certainly announce it on this site.I also think a PM to the original poster of the photo would be appropriate/polite. I would think though that most would be happy for their images to be used further to enhance people's knowledge and understanding of the Camino.
I look forward to reading the blog when finished (although I'm not quite a senior).
Good luck with your writing. Mig
Dear all,I am currently writing a blog about the Camino for a (non-commercial-) site targeted to a senior audience. While I have a large collection of my own, I would like to use some of those beautiful pictures posted on this site. As the original copyright-holders are anonymous, I would mention www.caminodesantiago.me as the source.
My question to this community:
Would you deem it necessary/appropriate that I PM each of the posters individually and ask for permission?
I like this... does anyone have any objections or comments on this? I will leave this open for comments a few days, then update the forum rules.My own suggestion would be along the lines of that used by the CPR for their gallery:
You may download images from this collection on Creative Common Terms
- Copyright in these images rests with the original photographers, who have granted limited rights - including the right to make these pictures available on Creative Commons terms - to the [Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome].
- However, any user may download any image, or any number of images, without charge, and without prior permission.
- You may edit, adapt, or change any such images.
- You may make them, whether in original form, or changed, available to others, provided that you do so on the same terms as you received them.
- In making these images available elsewhere, you must acknowledge their source, and include the photographer’s name.
- If you do use or do intend to use these images, whether in original form, or changed, for any commercial or profit-making purpose, please get in touch to give us details and to confirm that you are sending us your standard fee (which we shall use in pursuance of our charitable objectives).
- Click on the following link for fuller details of the Creative Commons license: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 England & Wales License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/uk/
I like this... does anyone have any objections or comments on this? I will leave this open for comments a few days, then update the forum rules.
Thanks @William Marques !
Ivar
That sounds like a good option Ivar, I see many other sites do this.There is an option in the photo album to apply a Watermark to all photos up uploaded (the forum logo for example)... would this be an option?
...please post more opinions on this topic..
Thanks!
Ivar
Dear friends:My own suggestion would be along the lines of that used by the CPR for their gallery:
You may download images from this collection on Creative Common Terms
- Copyright in these images rests with the original photographers, who have granted limited rights - including the right to make these pictures available on Creative Commons terms - to the [Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome].
- However, any user may download any image, or any number of images, without charge, and without prior permission.
- You may edit, adapt, or change any such images.
- You may make them, whether in original form, or changed, available to others, provided that you do so on the same terms as you received them.
- In making these images available elsewhere, you must acknowledge their source, and include the photographer’s name.
- If you do use or do intend to use these images, whether in original form, or changed, for any commercial or profit-making purpose, please get in touch to give us details and to confirm that you are sending us your standard fee (which we shall use in pursuance of our charitable objectives).
- Click on the following link for fuller details of the Creative Commons license: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 England & Wales License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/uk/
Watermarks usually impair the pictures, a shame! How about this: To apply a watermark is optional and indicates, that the photographer in principle objects to re-publishing. All images without watermark would be subject to free use under terms as those suggested by William Marques.There is an option in the photo album to apply a Watermark to all photos up uploaded (the forum logo for example)... would this be an option?
...please post more opinions on this topic..
Thanks!
Ivar
Watermarks usually impair the pictures, a shame! How about this: To apply a watermark is optional and indicates, that the photographer in principle objects to re-publishing. All images without watermark would be subject to free use under terms as those suggested by William Marques.
This is what William Marques suggested and his terms are legally more precise. The alteration of pictures usually overwrite the original copyright. Frankly I am more concerned that images depicting unsuspecting "3rd party persons" are uploaded without their consent, as it often happens.Well how about this:
The photos posted on this site belong to the photographer.
You are allowed to download them to your computer, to watch them there.
But you are not allowed to publish or alter these photos without permission of the photographer.
Did he?This is what William Marques suggested and his terms are legally more precise. The alteration of pictures usually overwrite the original copyright. Frankly I am more concerned that images depicting unsuspecting "3rd party persons" are uploaded without their consent, as it often happens.
Did he?
I've been reading this several times wondering if I missed the "not". I would much happier if there was a clear Not there.
- "You may edit, adapt, or change any such images."
Hallo David,greetings from sunny South Africa - my wife and I are retired and walked in Sept 2012 from SJPDP to Burgos - what an experience - I thoroughly enjoyed your pictures very very much,brought back precious memories - thank you very much - it was done pretty professional - Johann PretoriusI am currently writing a blog about the Camino for a (non-commercial-) site targeted to a senior audience. While I have a large collection of my own, I would like to use some of those beautiful pictures posted on this site. As the original copyright-holders are anonymous, I would mention www.caminodesantiago.me as the source.
My question to this community:
Would you deem it necessary/appropriate that I PM each of the posters individually and ask for permission?
This can be done today if you create your own album. This album can have permission that you can decide:In other forums there are certain sections which can only be viewed by registered and/or donating members, maybe Ivar could have a look at this possibility then any photos uploaded could only be viewed/downloaded by members and they hopefully would seek permission for same, as Tia said its a question of good manners at the end of the day.
Looking good, thanks IvarDear all,
Thank you for good feedback. I have been home with some fever over the weekend and off-line... still not 100%, but will look at this tomorrow.
This can be done today if you create your own album. This album can have permission that you can decide:
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...more tomorrow..
Ivar
Take care and get well soon.I have been home with some fever over the weekend and off-line... still not 100%, but will look at this tomorrow.
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...more tomorrow..
Ivar
Thanks, Ivar!Dear all,
Thank you for good feedback. I have been home with some fever over the weekend and off-line... still not 100%, but will look at this tomorrow.
This can be done today if you create your own album. This album can have permission that you can decide:
View attachment 10215
...more tomorrow..
Ivar
As the one who started this thread, may I suggest to now leave the matter in the good hands of Ivar and not to confuse it with pseudo-legal advise. What may or may not be the law in one country varies in another.I'm a member of a scuba diving forum and the subject of use and misuse of pictures came up recently. It was quite informative, I'll see if I can dig a relevant post from a pro photographer out.
Basically, the bottom line is if you get caught and the owner is minded and he can prove a financial loss then you can be hosed in court. Being in the public domain is not the same as public for use. Altering a pic doesnt remove any liability as I understood it either, you're still responsible for your use of the base material even though you created something new.
What I didnt realise is that commercial photographers run automatic searches that tracks down picture misuse. Stuff like removing watermarks or cropping copyright notes doesnt hide it and such action can increase the level of damages. I believe there was some mention that under uk law it may even be considered criminal but need to check.
As the one who started this thread, may I suggest to now leave the matter in the good hands of Ivar and not to confuse it with pseudo-legal advise. What may or may not be the law in one country varies in another.
There are two separate issues at stake: One is the liability of www.caminodesantiago.me and Ivar's idea of a disclaimer is all that's needed. The other concerns the rights of the copyright-owners, which is their own business once they publish their pix.
Legal implications set aside, it is simple curtesy amongst the peregrino community to ask permission of using any pix posted on this valuable site. Let's move on, on our camino.
Susanna, after reading your article I think I'm in trouble, I thought that if photos were in the public domain they were free to use.
I am now waiting for the heavy knock on the door.
I have wondered the same. The thing is, once a photo is uploaded to the forum - to any forum - it propagates throughout the internet and can never be removed. Therefore there can be no royalty or copyright protection. It has been 'gifted' to the internet.
My understanding is that those who intend to copyright protect add a watermark before uploading and therefore all 'open' photos are not protected, are in the public domain, and can be used by anyone for any purpose. Though I may be wrong of course (I often am).
As a matter of politeness I would inform the uploader of the photo - if they could be found - of what I intended to use it for.
I almost cannot bear to look at the photos in the media gallery - many of them are such stunning photos!!!!!
they make me long, absolutely long, for the Camino!!
i am sorry to say but Ivar does not own the photos uploaded to this forum other than the ones he photographed himself.I have asked Ivar to write something in reply to your question, who owns the photos uploaded to the image gallery.
I googled and found an article about this topic which I think was interesting:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/nov/26/news-photography-medialaw
No you can not follow this approach unless you have before hand explicitly indicated that photos that are uploaded to this site fall under the creative common terms. To suggest otherwise is nonsense.My own suggestion would be along the lines of that used by the CPR for their gallery:
You may download images from this collection on Creative Common Terms
- Copyright in these images rests with the original photographers, who have granted limited rights - including the right to make these pictures available on Creative Commons terms - to the [Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome].
- However, any user may download any image, or any number of images, without charge, and without prior permission.
- You may edit, adapt, or change any such images.
- You may make them, whether in original form, or changed, available to others, provided that you do so on the same terms as you received them.
- In making these images available elsewhere, you must acknowledge their source, and include the photographer’s name.
- If you do use or do intend to use these images, whether in original form, or changed, for any commercial or profit-making purpose, please get in touch to give us details and to confirm that you are sending us your standard fee (which we shall use in pursuance of our charitable objectives).
- Click on the following link for fuller details of the Creative Commons license: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 England & Wales License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/uk/
I agree with Susanna - please see my comments elsewhereI have objections to that.
To download them, that's ok, I think.
To change the photos, no.
To publish them without my permission, no.
It could be photos of me or people I met on the camino and I would not like to see these changed and published some where else.
What if someone takes a photo of someone and puts on a silly hat and puts that on Facebook or something?
Dear all,
I consider the photos uploaded to this forum the property of the person that uploaded them. It can be deleted by the user that uploaded it/them at any time. So if you would like to use any of them, you need to get permission from the person that uploaded the photo(s). It is also therefor important that you upload only photos that are yours.
On a related topic: I do have a Facebook page for the forum where I post links to threads in the forum that might be of interest to others. Sometimes I also post links to images uploaded to our new Photo Album... here is one example. Now that I am thinking about it, I wonder if this is ok? It is a link to the photo that was uploaded by the owner.. so i think so, but please help me out here if I am stepping over the line.
Also, remember that you can upload photos in the photo albums that are viewable to only a few/a group of members. If you upload photos in a forum posts, it is viewable by anyone on the internet.
I hope this makes sense... please let me know what you think.
Greetings from a rainy Santiago,
Ivar
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