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I have similar issues, high arches, wearing down the outsides of my shoes. My feet are so flexible, that I can keep my inside ankles together, and have the soles of my feet touching each other. Flexible shoes aren't a good option for me.I've been doing my training walks (mostly to and from work, which is 2 miles each way; with a longer and hillier walk on the weekend) in La Sportiva Ultra Raptors.
And I supinate so much that in less than three hundred miles, I've worn the tread on the outside edge down enough to feel it while standing in them.
Also, after about five miles, my feet ache, especially my heels.
Like a lot of supinators, I have high arches. Normally, popping Birkenstock cork arch support orthotics into squishy shoes is enough to make me happy, but it's just not cutting it.
I'm sort of at a loss about what to try. I know Hoka makes super-squishy shoes that a lot of people love, but I'm worried that I'm just going to compress down the outside edge's foam in a couple hundred miles...and then start rolling my ankles.
Which is why I don't wear trail runners. I was a mail carrier, ten years ago, for a year and a half, walking up to ten miles a day. Wearing trail runners meant I rolled my ankle, which is incredibly painful. So given a choice between wearing trail runners and an eventual ankle brace, vs wearing shoes with some ankle support, I'm going to take the ankle support. That said: I am open to suggestions from other people with the same foot/ankle issues, if you've found something that works.
Anyway.
The tl:dr: I'm looking for shoe recommendations, specifically from people who also supinate/have high arches/tend to roll their ankles. I wear about a US women's 7.5.
Supinator here, with a torn and unrepaired ankle ligament. I've also used La Sportivas on the VF but got nasty blisters. I switched to Nike Trail Runners (Terra Kigers), with decent results on a. couple of trips and then just recently, got on the Hoka SpeedGoat 5 bandwagon. It's the first time I've ever hiked with just one small blister. I'm not a huge fan of the squishy bottom but they have 250 miles on them from the VP this fall so I'll probably finish them out on the next trip. Not my winter shoes, by the way. I use Scarpa hiking boots in the snow and Salewa goretex Alpin Rose ultra light boots in shoulder season rain/chilly weather. Of all those, the Salewas are my favorites. Such an individual thing so wish you the best in making your feet happy!I've been doing my training walks (mostly to and from work, which is 2 miles each way; with a longer and hillier walk on the weekend) in La Sportiva Ultra Raptors.
And I supinate so much that in less than three hundred miles, I've worn the tread on the outside edge down enough to feel it while standing in them.
Also, after about five miles, my feet ache, especially my heels.
Like a lot of supinators, I have high arches. Normally, popping Birkenstock cork arch support orthotics into squishy shoes is enough to make me happy, but it's just not cutting it.
I'm sort of at a loss about what to try. I know Hoka makes super-squishy shoes that a lot of people love, but I'm worried that I'm just going to compress down the outside edge's foam in a couple hundred miles...and then start rolling my ankles.
Which is why I don't wear trail runners. I was a mail carrier, ten years ago, for a year and a half, walking up to ten miles a day. Wearing trail runners meant I rolled my ankle, which is incredibly painful. So given a choice between wearing trail runners and an eventual ankle brace, vs wearing shoes with some ankle support, I'm going to take the ankle support. That said: I am open to suggestions from other people with the same foot/ankle issues, if you've found something that works.
Anyway.
The tl:dr: I'm looking for shoe recommendations, specifically from people who also supinate/have high arches/tend to roll their ankles. I wear about a US women's 7.5.
On a close tangent to this thread, I find this applies to a few things for a Camino, noting that we all seem to have a different understanding of expensive vs excessive frugality in the context of the overall Camino experience........ are expensive but well worth it to me.
Yes, this is true. But I think that getting footwear that encourages me to walk daily at home, makes it even more important than equipment that I use only when on the Camino.I find this applies to a few things for a Camino
I have 4 identical pairs of my "Camino" Keens, 2 for daily walkers at home, needing replacement soon, and another 2 pairs new in my Camino box, 1 for the next pilgrimage about to be worn-in. Perhaps wear in both and select the most comfortable pairBut I think that getting footwear that encourages me to walk daily at home,
Very true.On a close tangent to this thread, I find this applies to a few things for a Camino, noting that we all seem to have a different understanding of expensive vs excessive frugality in the context of the overall Camino experience.
This is the part that frustrates me so much--my current shoes/insoles are absolutely fine and pain-free...until I've walked more than five miles in one go. The two miles each way to get to work and back? No problem.Yes, this is true. But I think that getting footwear that encourages me to walk daily at home, makes it even more important than equipment that I use only when on the Camino.
I'm not sure that is a very strong endorsement. Once I had a stress fracture and I could walk relatively pain free until I got to 5 km! Our feet can adapt to various conditions, up to a point, but I have found that my feet are less and less forgiving as I grow old. I work them hard and am trying to have them last as long as the rest of me does.my current shoes/insoles are absolutely fine and pain-free... until I've walked more than five miles in one go.
Huh. I had read in multiple places that shoes for over-pronation were the opposite of what you wanted for supination? Which I admit made sense to me because they'd correct me in the "wrong" direction.2. For supination/pronation, look for a shoe that is focused on motion control. Most manufacturers will have them. These models will have a 'straight last' rather than the typical 'foot shape'. Hold the shoes upside down that have a straight last and it can be hard telling the right from the left shoe. Filling in the 'cut out' of the narrow part of the 'foot', tremendously reduces supination or pronation.
The shoes will also tend to be 'stiffer' with increased stability (different than motion control), a wider heel and a reinforced heel counter. The midsole will contain materials that are firmer to help counter breakdowns at the outer edges of the shoe. There will also be more support structures build into the shoe to resist breakdown caused by pronation or supination. Also look for shoes rated for heavy individuals.
I did look up exercises for this, and it turns out at least one is already part of the program my physical therapist gave me (heel lifts). I also got one of those nubby balls for rolling my feet on.3. Discomfort in the heel may be due to a mild plantars fasciitis which certain exercises can help control. In the forefoot, a bruising pain is commonly caused by prominent metatarsals, and metatarsal pads that are properly placed on the insole will help provide relief. In a motion control shoe, there are insoles that are very cushiony and can add to whatever cushioning the shoes midsole provides.
Huh. I had read in multiple places that shoes for over-pronation were the opposite of what you wanted for supination? Which I admit made sense to me because they'd correct me in the "wrong" direction.
Re: your essay on ankle support: I hear you. I really do. I know anecdotes are not data. I just know that when I was a mail carrier, walking ten miles a day on varying terrain (and walking fast) (and carrying a lot, albeit in my arms/hip bags, not on my back) I rolled my ankles in Salomon trail runners, and I didn't in the exact same brand's boots. (Hell, I even rolled my ankles once while wearing a brace, I think because the brace was too big!) One of my worst ankle rolls wasn't even on uneven terrain. I literally stepped off someone's porch, landed wrong, and screamed so loud the resident came out to see what happened!
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