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I have a North Face Aleutian 55 sleeping bag. I like it. Well made, warm. It packs down small in its stuff sack and it was reasonably priced. It weighs under a kilo (737 grams or 26 ounces). That is about the maximum weight I would recommend a sleeping bag on the Camino to be if you are carrying your whole kit with you everyday in your backpack. The lighter the backpack the happier the Camino.The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
I have been on the Camino Frances during the month of November, and slept in albergues and private rooms in small pensiones etc. It does not get that cold in them. I never found the need for wearing a base layer with my sleeping bag and at times, if needed, simply put a blanket provided by the albergue in the bag with me.Thank you for all the replies and the detailed info about quilts. We paid a visit to REI today and I believe we are probably going to use the REI Helio Down 30 bag. We both got in it and it's roomy for a mummy bag. It's less than 2 pounds, can be unzipped to use as quilt/comforter in hotels. It also has a quirky built in ability to put your arms through unzipped holes for arms and feet to allow you to wear it around camp while making coffee. Not sure we would use that but we are considering an August time frame to back pack into the Golden Trout wilderness so who knows?
This bag doesn't have all the features of more expensive 30 degree bags but at $169.00, it's priced right and we tested it and does fit in a Kyte 46 sleeping bag compartment without any need for compression.
We also looked at base layers to pair with the sleeping bag and there are SO MANY choices.......
Helio Down 30 Sleeping Bag
I have the same davebugg
Enlightened Equipment Revelation Quilt/sleeping bag.
850 fill down for 10º, weighs 12.44 Ounces
850 fill down for 5º, weighs 15.81 Ounces
If you are not sleeping outdoors, the EE 10º is great for the Camino at anytime
The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
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I have a 600gm Gelert Xtreme sleeping bag which packs down to 13X26 cm size which I have found perfectly adequate for myself (I tend to sleep warm). My time of travel on the Camino (both Portuguese and Primitivo) has been mid-April to late May. Don't forget that altitude of the night stop will an influence on the ambient temperature. The packed size fits easily into my 33 litre Osprey rucksack allowing plenty of room for my other pack requirements.
The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
I'm really keen to get a quilt, instead of using my heavy sleeping bag, but am looking for a product that is ethical in it's procurement of down, a la Patagonia. Can anyone tell me about Black Diamond's or Enlightened Equipment's ethical standards regarding down products?
Thankyou Dave!!Enlightened Equipment does. It follows the RDS Certification guidelines.
Where does your down come from, and is it collected humanely and ethically?
All of our down is from DownTek and is RDS-certified. It is the same down used by other outdoor gear companies such as Big Agnes, Nemo, and L.L. Bean. It is a side-product from the meat industry, and third-party audits verify that none of the down in the supply chain is acquired through live plucking or force-feeding.
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Because Costco sells the Black Diamond quilt, the manufacturers must abide by Costco's policies which include the RDS certification as well.
DOWN & FEATHERS
Costco has committed to responsible down sourcing. Costco now requires a certification to be present with all Costco production of down and feather products. Costco accepts certifications from IDFL (International Down and Feather Lab), Downpass or RDS (Responsible Down Standard).
Compliance to these standards ensures ethical sourcing of down and feathers through the verification of supplier traceability systems, general animal welfare, risk assessment and other important best practices.
The wife and I have decided to bring sleeping bags and not sleeping bag liners. We will be doing CF in November. We also travel through Europe a lot during late October and November and find that many budget hotels don't have heat in the rooms.
We see a lot of advice about bringing or not bringing sleeping bags but very little specific recommendations for brands and models of bags. Can folks please recommend specific bags that have worked for them?
We have a preference for down but anything that is lightweight and will fit in the sleeping bag compartment of our Osprey Kestrel 48 and Kyte 46 would work.
Thanks in advance.
On your recommendation I have just bought a Back Diamond quilt online for £23!! Cheap as chips and half the weight of my rucksack, looks good quality as well, thanks so much @davebuggRather than sleeping bags, I always recommend looking at either backpacking sleeping quilts or a regular throw quilt which will both saving weight and pack small. This is I posted yesterday in response to that discussion.
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A backpacking sleeping quilt will reduce weight and still provide warmth. If you select one that is rated for 4.5 degrees C / 40 F, it can weigh under 480 gr 16 ounces.
An example:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0765968XC/?tag=casaivar02-20
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The idea of the quilt is that the insulation at the bottom of a sleeping bag is crushed by body weight and does not provide any insulation. Eliminating the weight by eliminating the bottom save considerable weight. The quilt that I provided a link for is a very basic configuration for a quilt, but cheap.
The backpacking quilt I use is designed with various fasteners and connectors that can be use to configure the quilt in a number of ways. Mine also has a drawstring and snaps at the bottom which can be used to form a 'box' for the feet. When backpacking, it is used with a pad or ultra light air mattress. My frequent favorite use is to have it fully open except for the bottom, and just snug it around me like a blanket.
I have several quilts, each is designed for a specific temperature range. The one I use on Camino and during backpacking in the summer months at altitude in the mountains is conservatively rated for temps down to 45f/7c. In practice, though, because I wear base layers to sleep in on the trail or Camino, that specific quilt keeps me plenty warm down to the upper 30's f / 3 c. It weighs about 13 ounces / 368 grams.
Since I wear lightweight base layer tops and bottoms while sleeping, the air mattress provides the bottom insulation while I am backpacking. On Camino, the mattress on the beds provide the insulation. If you want to put a cover on the mattress, then you can use a super light weight length of fabric, like a 10D ripstop nylon or even Tyvek 1443R .
Below are a couple of YouTubes of how my Enlightened Equipment quilt is used . . . or any quilt for that matter
Keep in mind that the reason I provided the link to the Black Diamond quilt was that your primary use is for indoor supplementation of existing bedding. You did not mention wilderness backpacking use. Since I already had my backpacking sleeping quilts, I could just grab the one I needed for Camino.
As used on Camino, my backpacking quilt did nothing more than the Black Diamond quilt would have done. So, you can get the light weight, extreme compressibility to conserve space in your pack, and warmth you need for much less cost than the backpacking quilts I use.
However, IF I am using a quilt for wilderness backpacking, then it is the backpacking quilts from Enlightened Equipment that I own, or any other specifically designed backpacking quilt, is what I will take, not the Black Diamond type of quilt. So if you plan on needing a quilt for backpacking, then you might want to look at a specifically designed backpacking quilt.
I use the Mountain Hardware 35/50 Flip sleeping bag. Weighs 28 oz. Unzips to quilt as well. Carried on the CF for late fall as well as backpacking trips in a tent. I also have turned the Costco down quilt into a sleeping bag with snaps. Might work great in an albergue but not so much in a tent unless above 60 degrees.
On your recommendation I have just bought a Back Diamond quilt online for £23!! Cheap as chips and half the weight of my rucksack, looks good quality as well, thanks so much @davebugg
Lots of advice here is coming from people who have walked the Camino in September. Doing it in mid/late November is a whole different ball game!
Many albergues in November will not heat their bedrooms for the handful of pilgrims there are. Case in point: Ribadiso Xunta albergue, 13 Nov 2018 - a large stone converted farmhouse without heating overnight, no blankets available, temperature outside -1 C / 30 F , a few degrees warmer inside.
You really need a sleeping bag that can keep all your body heat in for the night or you're going to freeze. Private albergues will not save you either. I had a similarly cold night in a large farmhouse private albergue. There were three of us in a room for about 30. Think they're really going to switch on the heating and lose all the meagre profits from three peregrinos on the heating bill? I don't blame them
I used a decathlon down sleeping bag rated 10 degrees C, weighing 1.3kg. It's large and quite heavy but I was toasty warm the whole night. My friend with a 15 degrees C synthetic bag was freezing the whole night. I think the rating is only half the story here. The down bulks up much more than a synthetic filling, trapping more air as a barrier against the cold. I could have got by with a slightly lighter sleeping bag, but I wouldn't want much lighter, because of those few cold nights.
Seriously, you need to be using a sleeping bag rated 5 - 10 C and weighing at least a kilo, unless you're prepared to splash out on very expensive brands. Down is more efficient per weight, but needs a compression bag to squeeze the bag down in size each time you need to pack it away. I didn't find it a problem.
I had Feathered Friends Flicker 40 (19-ounces) from May 1- June 6 last year on the Camino Frances (SJPP-Finisterre) and slept very warm. It's also a quilt on warmer nights.Thank you for all the replies and the detailed info about quilts. We paid a visit to REI today and I believe we are probably going to use the REI Helio Down 30 bag. We both got in it and it's roomy for a mummy bag. It's less than 2 pounds, can be unzipped to use as quilt/comforter in hotels. It also has a quirky built in ability to put your arms through unzipped holes for arms and feet to allow you to wear it around camp while making coffee. Not sure we would use that but we are considering an August time frame to back pack into the Golden Trout wilderness so who knows?
This bag doesn't have all the features of more expensive 30 degree bags but at $169.00, it's priced right and we tested it and does fit in a Kyte 46 sleeping bag compartment without any need for compression.
We also looked at base layers to pair with the sleeping bag and there are SO MANY choices.......
Helio Down 30 Sleeping Bag
@davebugg, out of curiosity, the quilt idea makes a lot of sense, certainly for camping, but how do you make it work on the camino? Many of the mattresses are filthy with sheets that don't get changed for a season, or made from that sticky plastic stuff to protect them from spills and bedbugs. Do you have an undersheet you carry with you?
Thanks Dave. That makes sense. Understood that you're not trying to convince anyoneLet me preface my answer by again reiterating that I am not trying to talk anyone out of using a sleeping bag, only providing a consideration of options for those wishing to explore them.
I have used a 2 yard length of ultralight, 7 Denier, ripstop nylon with a total weight of 0.14 ounces. Last camino, I used a length of a tyvek fabric (1443R) that is more breathable than the normal house-wrap version which is a bit heavier at 2 ounces.
Because I sleep in my baselayers and not skin-to-mattress, I have even just used my poncho. A lot of the time that I have slept in albergues, I have just used the 'disposable' mattress cover that seemed to be given out either as part of the fee or as an extra fee.
I think if I used a sleeping bag I would still take a barrier sheet with me; I'd want to keep the outside of the bag away from the kind of potential contaminants (body fluids, body grime, food residue, etc) that you are rightly concerned with.
Now, try it out and make sure you like it. Strip off all but the bottom sheet of your bed, then adjust your bedroom temperature to mimic potential conditions in an alburgue during the season you will be walking.
If you become too cold doing this, practice adding some of the clothing you would wear on Camino --- like additional baselayers or socks, etc.
That's an impressive list for only 3.4 pounds. If I could get my pack weight down to something like that, along with walking in my Hoka trail runners, it would be like walking on air compared to the weight of our packs when we just go on vacation..The Patagonia is fine for upper and lower base layers. You can use those for sleeping in and save the extra weight of carrying an extra set of baselayers, depending on what 'weight' the Capilene's you purchased are.
Base layer garments, like your Capilene stuff, have weights designed for specific seasons. Light weight, Mid weight, and Heavy weight. Did you also pick up base layer bottoms? And what weight are your Capilenes?
If you did not get the bottoms, you can get those to match your top and it will work fine. The Capilene breaths well and wicks some moisture away from skin. Of course, if you soak the garment with sweat, their is a limit to how much wicking it can do.
Once you have your top and bottom, you should be set. Like I mentioned above, if you want to take another set it will just add unneeded weight. Keep in mind that you are also wearing clothing which already serves as a set of tops and bottoms.
If you decide on a second set of base layers, then I suggest looking at the light base layers from Smartwool whcih they label as '150', or the equivalent from other manufacturers. By lightweight, I mean the thickness or weight of the material as I mentioned above. The heavier weight Smartwool is labled as '250'. I would focus on just the 150 weight.
Below is a list of my "closet" that I carry in my pack. Besides it being used during the Fall on the Camino last year, it is about the same as what I used to thru hike the Pacific Crest Trail and the Colorado Trail (most of which sits above 9,000 feet / 2743 meters in elevation. And for the thousands of other backpacking miles I have done.
The total weight is around 3.4 pounds.
- Pants -- REI, Classic Sahara Convertible, Zip-Off Legs
- Baselayer Top -- Smartwool, Lightweight, Long-Sleeve x 1
- Baselayer Bottom - Smartwool, Lightweight
- Hat - wool beanie
- Windshell Jacket - Patagonia, Houdini
- Insulating Layer -- Mountain Hardwear, Ghost Whisperer Vest
- Socks -- Smartwool Phd, Crew, Light Padding x 2
- Extra insoles x 1
- Poncho --- Zpacks, Cuben Fiber
- Gloves -- North Face, polartec
If you add a Smartwool 150 top and bottom, that would add about 13 ounces to that total.
The clothing that I wear usually consists of running shorts and a long sleeved synthetic and lightweight shirt. All of the clothing can be used in various layering configurations to provide a comfort range from 25F to very hot. This is just an example of how a layering system can be flexible and cover a wide temperature range which is more than sufficient for the time of year you are going over the Pyrenees and Galicia.
My total pack weight is around 9.75 pounds. What you were looking at was the 'closet' that makes up the clothing portion of what I take.That's an impressive list for only 3.4 pounds. If I could get my pack weight down to something like that, along with walking in my Hoka trail runners, it would be like walking on air compared to the weight of our packs when we just go on vacation..
What is your bag's temp rating? Also, keep in mind that in a sleeping bag, the head loses a lot of heat, and you can add a watch cap style hat or beanie to help with heat conservation. Even if the bag has a hood, and added cap can make a big differenceThe capilene upper I picked up cheap is the thinnest Patagonia makes. You can see through it. Doubt it would do much in the sleeping bag but I plan to test it in the bag next week. It's been in the low 30s here at night...
Our bag is rated for 30 degrees F. We always bring beenies with use when we go to Europe.What is your bag's temp rating? Also, keep in mind that in a sleeping bag, the head loses a lot of heat, and you can add a watch cap style hat or beanie to help with heat conservation. Even if the bag has a hood, and added cap can make a big difference
Impressive nonetheless. Once I add GoPro, Phone, Charger, etc it will be heavier. We spent 5 weeks train hopping in Northern Italy in last October through November. By the time we left Milan, it was below 30F at night. I think my pack weight was 14 pounds when we left for the trip. Of course we weren't walking the kind of daily distances required on the Camino and the weight wasn't a problem. I don't think we ever walked more than 4 miles with the packs on. As we were leaving, we both thought it would be best to try and reduce that pack weight by about a third before our next vacation.My total pack weight is around 9.75 pounds. What you were looking at was the 'closet' that makes up the clothing portion of what I take.
By comparison, my PCT thru-hike total pack weight averaged around 22 pounds, which includes 7-8 days of food and fuel. That just demonstrates how much different Camino is from backpacking.
Impressive nonetheless. Once I add GoPro, Phone, Charger, etc it will be heavier. We spent 5 weeks train hopping in Northern Italy in last October through November. By the time we left Milan, it was below 30F at night. I think my pack weight was 14 pounds when we left for the trip. Of course we weren't walking the kind of daily distances required on the Camino and the weight wasn't a problem. I don't think we ever walked more than 4 miles with the packs on. As we were leaving, we both thought it would be best to try and reduce that pack weight by about a third before our next vacation.
Geez, just looked at the Mountain Hardware vest. They are definitely doing the weight penalty pricing on that thing!
Weight | 23 oz / 0.62 kg |
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Dimensions | 58” x 80" / 148 cm x 203 cm |
Pack Size | 6" x 12" / 15 cm x 31 cm |
Fabric | 20D Polyester with Klymalite™ synthetic loft insulation |
Warranty | 2 Year Warranty |
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